Re: [WSG] Mobiles and standards

2007-05-31 Thread Katrina
Nick Cowie wrote: Katrina I would serve XHTML and stick to XHTML-Basic or XHTML-MP subset of features. Gday Nick, Thank you for your response : Which accompanying mime type would you choose for XHTML-Basic? text/xml application/xhtml + xml application/xml Note: XHTML-MP has it's o

Re: [WSG] Mobiles and standards

2007-05-31 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Hi, You may find the following dotmobi tools helpful: Free online mobile-readiness report, http://ready.mobi/launch.jsp?locale=en_EN Free online mobile emulator, http://emulator.mtld.mobi/emulator.php The W3C tests that these are based on is here: http://www.w3.org/TR/mobileOK-basic10-tests/ O

Re: [WSG] Mobiles and standards

2007-05-31 Thread Nick Cowie
Hi Katrina I have not done enough research on this, but: If I creating a site that I expected mobile browsers to visit (ie every site I create from now) I would use XHTML 1.0 transitional DTD, mime type of text/html and restrict my XHTML to the XHTML-MP subset and my CSS to the WCSS subset If I

Re: [WSG] safari hack for overflow-x/y

2007-05-31 Thread Terrence Wood
On 31/05/2007, at 8:49 AM, kevin mcmonagle wrote: Are there any safari hacks that validate and will be somewhat permanent? I'm curious as to why you need a hack for safari as it's a reasonably compliant browser. What are you trying to work around? kind regards Terrence Wood. **

Re: [WSG] dl v table for form layout

2007-05-31 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 31 May 2007, at 05:28:57, Blake wrote: In a way I could almost take Katrina's thinking a little further wrap each fieldset in an tag as part of an unordered list of fieldsets, and insert an additional fieldset into each exisiting li. Like so... Keep it up and you'll get your page size back

Re: [WSG] dl v table for form layout

2007-05-31 Thread Blake
Keep it up and you'll get your page size back up to nested table levels ;-) I was expecting a response like that. As I said, it is over the top, but it is an idea of how far things can go if you try too hard to pursue semantics. Sometimes the goal post is a little too far away, and we can only g

Re: [WSG] safari hack for overflow-x/y

2007-05-31 Thread kevin mcmonagle
Terrence Wood wrote: I'm curious as to why you need a hack for safari as it's a reasonably compliant browser. What are you trying to work around? Hi Terrence, In this case its to compliant for my design-which the client has all ready approved. I didn't foresee this issue and cant change the

Re: [WSG] safari hack for overflow-x/y

2007-05-31 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On May 31, 2007, at 10:04 PM, kevin mcmonagle wrote: So i want safari to see #wrapper {overflow:auto;} And I want all other browsers to see #wrapper {overflow-y:auto;} Safari hacks seem to be semi-permanent because when they are found they are fixed in the lastest version or build of webkit

Re: [WSG] Mobiles and standards

2007-05-31 Thread Dejan Kozina
You may find a lot of real-world info here: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/wmlprogramming/ It might not be to everyone's taste, as the group is often critical of the W3C and its mobile efforts, perceived as choosing theoretical constructs over what real handsets are out there in the wild..

[WSG] Organising Infinity: A Web Content Management symposium, Brisbane - Saturday June 2, 2007

2007-05-31 Thread Matt Bailey
Hello All, Posting the following on behalf of Sylvia Edwards, Assistant Dean Teaching & Learning, Faculty of Information Technology here at Queensland University of Technology. A number of the papers, posters and presentations being shown at the symposium discuss accessibility, usability and web

[WSG] Recommended screen size

2007-05-31 Thread Tim Offenstein
Anyone have a recommendation on what size screen to use as a baseline when designing for a new site? 800x600 or 1024x768 or something else? Thanks in advance. -Tim -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Tim Offenstein *** College of Applied Health Sciences *

RE: [WSG] Recommended screen size [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2007-05-31 Thread Thomler, Craig
I still regard 800x600 as a necessary minimum (for government sites) as it accounts for approximately 10% of the viewing audience. Many sites now treat 1024x768 as the minimum based on their website traffic. If you can pull this data out of your own logs this may guide whether you still need to c

RE: [WSG] Recommended screen size [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2007-05-31 Thread Thomler, Craig
Hi Jermayn, Can you send me those examples and I may be able to make the case here :) Cheers, Craig - Craig Thomler Online Marketing Manager | Communication Strategy and Services External Relations | Child Support Agency P 02 627 286

RE: [WSG] Recommended screen size [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2007-05-31 Thread Jermayn Parker
Our new gov site (still in development) is 1024 x 768 and so are a few others which they used as examples... >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1/06/2007 11:37:30 am >>> I still regard 800x600 as a necessary minimum (for government sites) as it accounts for approximately 10% of the viewing audience. Many si

RE: [WSG] Recommended screen size

2007-05-31 Thread Cem Meric
1024x768 would be my choice.   -- Cem Meric | http://www.kalkadoon.net/ Kalkadoon Corporate Solutions Pty Ltd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Offenstein Sent: Friday, 1 June 2007 1:31 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] R

RE: [WSG] Recommended screen size [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2007-05-31 Thread Jermayn Parker
Ok, I cannot find all of them but hear are a few just we just deal or have dealt with: http://www.watercorporation.com.au/index.cfm http://wa.gov.au http://www.nrma.com.au (splash screen) http://www.maa.nsw.gov.au I am sure there woul dbe more as well >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1/06/2007 11:51:2

Re: [WSG] Recommended screen size

2007-05-31 Thread Lea de Groot
On Thu, 31 May 2007 22:31:28 -0500, Tim Offenstein wrote: > Anyone have a recommendation on what size screen to use as a baseline > when designing for a new site? 800x600 or 1024x768 or something else? I do base designs for 1024, but I make sure the final implementation doesn't actually break at

Re: [WSG] Recommended screen size

2007-05-31 Thread Paul Novitski
At 5/31/2007 08:31 PM, Tim Offenstein wrote: Anyone have a recommendation on what size screen to use as a baseline when designing for a new site? 800x600 or 1024x768 or something else? Ideally, I believe the baseline should be no assumption of screen size. Look at the spectrum of user agents

Re: [WSG] Recommended screen size

2007-05-31 Thread Nick Cowie
If you look around the web today you will see the general consensus is 1024x768px. However, I would have a look at you stats to see what is the most appropriate for your site. For example my blog 800x600 accounts for less than 2.5% of the traffic, for my work site it is over 17%. If I was redesig

Re: [WSG] Recommended screen size

2007-05-31 Thread Brian Cummiskey
There was a huge topic on digg about this (that i started :D ) after yahoo released their new interface. Lot's of interesting comments in that thread. http://digg.com/programming/Is_it_Time_to_Abandon_800x600_ link to blog post (as it has changed since the digg): http://www.skeymedia.com/prog

Re: [WSG] Recommended screen size

2007-05-31 Thread Paul Novitski
Earlier I was suggesting that, instead of stats telling us who to target, they really tell us who to exclude. A fellow poster wrote: my blog 800x600 accounts for less than 2.5% of the traffic That poster appeared to be advocating for leniency, but let's take this example of screen resolution

Re: [WSG] Recommended screen size

2007-05-31 Thread kevin mcmonagle
Paul Novitski wrote: >>Every 40th visitor, on average, will have a bad experience... >>800x600: 2.5% = 100/2.5 = one in 40 visitors uses 800px-wide screen resolution (window width not >>mentioned). ... These visitors probably wouldnt notice the difference between an 800 and 1000 wide lay