This is why I never really got into widget components in Flash - they
tend to default to a Windows 'classic' skin which would be useless for
Mac users and those who skin their browsers.
Providing a skin for the component based on a user agent string would
also be useless given it can be faked an
On Monday, January 19, 2004, at 04:03 PM, Taco Fleur wrote:
Agreed, a lot of users are not dumb, so they also understand that its
a button even when on mouseover the cursor turns into a hand|pointer,
so it would be more wise (IMHO) to think about that % that is not so
familiar with the web.
> Not proposing anything, just want to hear the opinion of other people on
this matter, see if there is a valid point that will
> make me think otherwise about my opinion ;-)) Just because I have an
opinion doesn't mean its the right one - therefore I like
> to debate it...
If looks like a button
On Monday, January 19, 2004, at 02:50 PM, Taco Fleur wrote:
Ok, I know what it says, but to me it represents a hand holding a
mouse and the index finger in the click position.
NO! That may be what the icon looks like for YOU in YOUR ENVIRONMENT
but it may look completely different on another O
We don't have to agree at all, but here's my point. A lot of users are
*not* dumb. They realise that links aren't always underlined with blue
text. They realise that buttons may not always look like what they're
used to -- this is good for you.
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Agreed, a lot of users ar
On Monday, January 19, 2004, at 02:21 PM, Taco Fleur wrote:
Any more ideas on this matter from other people?
What your saying makes sense in a way - but I reckon it is not a valid
argument not to classify the button as a clickable object and make
this visible.
I didn't say it wasn't clickable.
If I understand you correctly you are saying we should not touch the
design of a button because it could confuse the user, that would mean
every website would have GREY buttons.
I personally think you can style the buttons as much as you like, as
long as they are CONSISTENT throughout your site
> Ok, I know what it says, but to me it represents a hand holding a
> mouse and the index finger in the click position.
> I reckon this icon is chosen so that it creates clarity for a
> user in regards to the object being a clickable object.
>
> I button in that matter to me is also a clickable ob
ailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, 19 January 2004 1:55
PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [WSG] Rave
or Valid point
Well, what you're saying is true, but the buttons
are obviously clickable. People know that. As opposed to text
links, where people might not know they are click
From:
Taco
Fleur
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Subject: [WSG] Rave or Valid point
What do you reckon, a Rave or Valid point?
http://www.tacofleur.com/index/blog/archive/2004/01/?141800
Tell me and I will forgetShow me and I
.
But as I said, I could completely mis the point as I often do ;-)
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From: Mark Stanton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 19 January 2004 1:35 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [WSG] Rave or Valid point
> What do reckon it does represent then? The pointer that
> What do reckon it does represent then? The pointer that is.
>From the spec (http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/ui.html#cursor-props):
pointer
The cursor is a pointer that indicates a link.
Cheers
Mark
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On Monday, January 19, 2004, at 02:08 PM, Chris Blown wrote:
Yes, I get the same with Firebird under Linux, though gtk1/2 support is
much better than it once was.
Is Camino still in development? Its uses native widgets, doesn't it?
Yes it does, but I've heard there's a hurdle with Panther (wouldn
I think you are looking for cursor:pointer (hand does not exist) -
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/ui.html#cursor-props
You are correct, hand is a windows thingy.
I will adjust my text accordingly.
Also I disagree with the idea that hand == clickable. Mouse over yo
Form widgets come from the user's OS (Operating System) or UA (User
Agent/Browser), and (IMHO) should behave in a manner to which the user
is accustomed. Adding a cursor hand to the button may seem like you're
helping the user by adding a visual cue, but you may in fact be
confusing the user,
I think you are looking for cursor:pointer (hand does not exist) -
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/ui.html#cursor-props
Also I disagree with the idea that hand == clickable. Mouse over your file
menu (in windows) or any other button menu item for that matter & you get
the arrow not the hand.
I think
Yes, I get the same with Firebird under Linux, though gtk1/2 support is
much better than it once was.
Is Camino still in development? Its uses native widgets, doesn't it?
ChrisB
> It's also for this very same reason that I dislike what Mozilla does
> with form widgets, which (at least on Mac O
On Monday, January 19, 2004, at 12:20 PM, Taco Fleur wrote:
What do you reckon, a Rave or Valid point?
http://www.tacofleur.com/index/blog/archive/2004/01/?141800
My answer (also posted as a blog comment):
Form widgets come from the user's OS (Operating System) or UA (User
Agent/Browser), and
Title: Rave or Valid point
What do you reckon, a Rave or Valid point?
http://www.tacofleur.com/index/blog/archive/2004/01/?141800
Tell me and I will forget
Show me and I will remember
Teach me and I will learn
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