Hi, I will be on leave until Monday 7 January 2008.
If you issue is urgent, I may be contacted on my mobile, 0414 259 797. Regards, Mark. >>> wsg 12/22/07 01:43 >>> ********************************************************************* WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST ********************************************************************* From: "Bloom Communication" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:43:26 +1100 Subject: Re: WSG Digest Seasons greetings from Bloom Communication! The office will be unattended from 20-26 December emails will not be checked frequently over this period. If your enquiry is urgent, please contact Karen Pearce on 0402 845 300. ********************************************************************* From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 20 Dec 2007 06:51:52 -0800 Subject: Re: WSG Digest Dear Sir/Madam Please note that I will be out of the office from 19 Dec 2007 until 16 Jan 2008. Urgent enquiries to this email address will be dealt with as soon as possible, and I shall be in contact with you as soon as I have returned. Regards Richard Stupart ********************************************************************* From: Lea de Groot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 07:08:00 +1000 Subject: [ADMIN] MIND YOUR OOO MESSAGE! Hello everyone! Its that time of year again - time for me to bang my head on the table again! No, really. I do. Presently, the large majority of us get a few days off, and, responsibly, we will make sure that people who try to talk to us know we aren't ignoring them, we've just got our feet up with a nice cold one. Sensibly, we leave an Out Of Office message for our colleagues and clients. But its important not to ruin that professional appearance by doing it improperly. The memberships of all your mailing lists generally don't need to know that you are away (and its not just because some of us work through and are jeaous - honest!! ;)) SO! Make sure you set your Out Of Office message so it doesn't reply to your mailing lists. It takes a little more effort, but it stops us thinking you're a dork. And you aren't one. (Are you?) Merry Seasonally Appropriate Greetings! (Santa is bringing me a 30" monitor. Hehehe. Goooood Santa. But there better be chocolate in there too! :)) Lea -- Lea de Groot WSG Core Member ********************************************************************* From: CK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:30:59 -0800 Subject: Site Check http://working.bushidodeep.com/kevon/index.html Could use a once over for this site. any suggestions are welcome. CK ********************************************************************* From: Nick Roper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:48:17 +0000 Subject: Preventing copying of text from web page. Hi, We have been asked by a client whether it is possible to any extent to prevent/deter users from copying content from a particular web page. The page will comprise two main areas: 1) Selection options in the form of select lists, check boxes etc. 2) Once the criteria have been selected then a 'Search' button will initiate a script that will query the database and display resulting text records in tabular format. The requirement is that the the user should be able to view the resulting output, but not to be able to copy/paste to other applications. Is this possible to achieve in a way that is standards-compliant - or indeed in any way at all? One suggestion has been to apply a transparent image over the results table - but not sure if this could be done with CSS etc? If this is considered off-topic then I would welcome suggestions for more appropriate forums. Many thanks in anticipation. Regards, -- Nick Roper partner logical elements ********************************************************************* From: Andrew Freedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:02:08 +1100 Subject: Re: [WSG] Preventing copying of text from web page. Nick Roper wrote: > Hi, > > We have been asked by a client whether it is possible to any extent to > prevent/deter users from copying content from a particular web page. Apart from putting copyright information on it and relying on visitors integrity to not plagiarize it there is not a great deal they can do. That is unless they have deep pockets and a team of lawyers to track their information and hunt any offenders down. Even if the information is displayed as an image they can always have someone type it up. If they are so concerned about their information then perhaps they shouldn't publish it to the web? Andrew ********************************************************************* From: "John Horner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:10:00 +1100 Subject: RE: [WSG] Preventing copying of text from web page. It's rather off-topic, but more to the point it's impossible, and your main task at this point is to explain to your client why even trying to do it is pointless and silly. If they can see the text, the text is on their computer. As Andrew said, either they want their information on the web or they don't. The well-known blogger Heather "Dooce" Armstrong tells a tale about a client who wanted to do this once. She replied that yes, we could do that and hey, while we're at it, we should also include some code in the page to disable their printer! The client thought that was a great idea. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Roper Sent: Friday, 21 December 2007 9:48 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Preventing copying of text from web page. Hi, We have been asked by a client whether it is possible to any extent to prevent/deter users from copying content from a particular web page. The page will comprise two main areas: 1) Selection options in the form of select lists, check boxes etc. 2) Once the criteria have been selected then a 'Search' button will initiate a script that will query the database and display resulting text records in tabular format. The requirement is that the the user should be able to view the resulting output, but not to be able to copy/paste to other applications. Is this possible to achieve in a way that is standards-compliant - or indeed in any way at all? One suggestion has been to apply a transparent image over the results table - but not sure if this could be done with CSS etc? If this is considered off-topic then I would welcome suggestions for more appropriate forums. Many thanks in anticipation. Regards, -- Nick Roper partner logical elements ******************************************************************* List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ******************************************************************* ********************************************************************* From: Lea de Groot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:11:43 +1000 Subject: Re: [WSG] Preventing copying of text from web page. On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:48:17 +0000, Nick Roper wrote: > Is this possible to achieve in a way that is standards-compliant - or > indeed in any way at all? One suggestion has been to apply a > transparent image over the results table - but not sure if this could > be done with CSS etc? You can make it *harder* to do things like this, but you can't completely stop determined and skilled people. If nothing else, they can always take a screen dump of the window and drop the image somewhere else. Lots of techniques can be used - the invisible image layer over is one. Writing the page with gobbledygook javascript is another. A strong but polite copyright message will work for some percentage of people. But all of them will only slow people down - once you've published on the internet the content is out there and it is impossible to completely prevent reuse. warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia ********************************************************************* From: Tim Offenstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:12:02 -0600 Subject: Re: [WSG] Site Check At 2:30 PM -0800 12/20/07, CK wrote: >http://working.bushidodeep.com/kevon/index.html > >Could use a once over for this site. any suggestions are welcome. > >CK > > Hi CK, A couple quick things: - No alt text on the holder.gif image. (line 28) - <link rel="stylesheet" href="c/core.css" /> needs a type attribute - i.e., type="text/css" (line 5) - Add a lang attribute to the HTML opener - <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"; xml:lang="en"> (line 2) -Tim -- <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Tim Offenstein *** Campus Accessibility Liaison *** (217) 244-2700 CITES Departmental Services *** www.uiuc.edu/goto/offenstein ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ********************************************************************* From: "Adam Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:15:19 +1000 Subject: Re: [WSG] Site Check Hi there, the first thing I noticed is the fact that the footer is always at the bottom. This is fine however I would like to suggest something to improve this a little. Set a z-index of say 100 on the footer, so that the content flows underneath rather than over the footer. Cheers Adam On Dec 21, 2007 8:30 AM, CK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://working.bushidodeep.com/kevon/index.html > > Could use a once over for this site. any suggestions are welcome. > > CK > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* > > -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************************* From: "Adam Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:15:59 +1000 Subject: Re: [WSG] Site Check Sorry, I just checked again and see you have done that - the problem is the video. On Dec 21, 2007 8:30 AM, CK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://working.bushidodeep.com/kevon/index.html > > Could use a once over for this site. any suggestions are welcome. > > CK > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* > > -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************************* From: David Laakso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:28:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [WSG] Site Check CK wrote: > http://working.bushidodeep.com/kevon/index.html > > Could use a once over for this site. any suggestions are welcome. > > CK > Not bad. Just in need of a little more cross-browser testing. See IE 6. Those among us who ignore those among you who consistently freeze the fonts in IE 6 an IE 7 would appreciate a little user friendly TLC. Best, ~dL -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ ********************************************************************* From: CK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:32:41 -0800 Subject: Re: [WSG] Site Check Hi, How does CSS z-index and flash commingle, or does the solution rest with scripting? CK On Dec 20, 2007, at 3:15 PM, Adam Martin wrote: > Sorry, I just checked again and see you have done that - the > problem is the video. > > On Dec 21, 2007 8:30 AM, CK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://working.bushidodeep.com/kevon/index.html > > Could use a once over for this site. any suggestions are welcome. > > CK > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* > > > > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > http://myfitness.ning.com > A community of people that care about their health and fitness > Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* ********************************************************************* From: "Anat Katz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:41:54 +1100 Subject: Accessible Form Elements Hi everyone, Can anyone send me some examples for accessible framesets (I know you should not use them, but we do...), some examples for different form elements, and good accessible code for flash movies?<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Currently I am working on a very large projects and I want to make sure we are following best practice techniques. On this note can you recommend some ways of testing to make sure that a website is accessible and usable to different user groups. At the moment I am validating each one of the pages according to W3C standards, but what other tools/ techniques/ checklists should I be using? Merry Christmas everyone! :-) Kind Regards, Anat Katz Front - End Developer Web Solutions Team | Coles Group IT P: 963 50853 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. ********************************************************************* From: kevin mcmonagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 23:50:01 +0000 Subject: Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [WSG] Site Check I read somewhere that the latest gen adobe external js script method for flash embedding fixes a stacking bug when it comes to z-index. are you using that method to embed? CK wrote: > Hi, > > How does CSS z-index and flash commingle, or does the solution rest > with scripting? > > CK > > > On Dec 20, 2007, at 3:15 PM, Adam Martin wrote: > >> Sorry, I just checked again and see you have done that - the problem >> is the video. >> >> On Dec 21, 2007 8:30 AM, CK <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: >> >> http://working.bushidodeep.com/kevon/index.html >> >> Could use a once over for this site. any suggestions are welcome. >> >> CK >> >> >> ******************************************************************* >> List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >> Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >> Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> ******************************************************************* >> >> >> >> >> -- >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> http://myfitness.ning.com >> A community of people that care about their health and fitness >> Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ******************************************************************* >> List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >> Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >> Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> ******************************************************************* > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* ********************************************************************* From: dwain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:51:50 -0600 Subject: Re: [WSG] [ADMIN] MIND YOUR OOO MESSAGE! On Dec 20, 2007 3:08 PM, Lea de Groot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Merry Seasonally Appropriate Greetings! > (Santa is bringing me a 30" monitor. Hehehe. Goooood Santa. But there > better be chocolate in there too! :)) > > in the monitor? ;-) dwain > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* > > -- dwain alford "The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression." Kandinsky ********************************************************************* From: kevin mcmonagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 23:52:25 +0000 Subject: strange cropping of divs in ie hi, If i can ask an old question, whats the best way to get margins and padding to be set the same across all browsers. -kevin ********************************************************************* From: kevin mcmonagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 23:46:24 +0000 Subject: Re: [WSG] Site Check hi From a web typography stanpoint its nice and clean but somehow its not as comfortable to read as it could be. Maybe crank up the leading and possibly the font size as well. maybe make the horizontal word count less. Maybe spend a bit of time styling some heads and subhead to break up the body text. i dont know. hth CK wrote: > http://working.bushidodeep.com/kevon/index.html > > Could use a once over for this site. any suggestions are welcome. > > CK > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* > > ********************************************************************* From: "Cameron Singe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:02:22 +1000 Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessible Form Elements In regards to form elements I would recommed this article http://www.sitepoint.com/article/fancy-form-design-css, -- Camocarzi - The art of web development Web: www.camocarzi.com Labs: http://svn.camocarzi.com/public ********************************************************************* From: "Paul Minty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:27:41 +1100 Subject: RE: [WSG] Preventing copying of text from web page. Nick, in general, the web is designed to allow people to copy and paste freely. Web Standards are, by and large, designed to support the maximum interchange of information. So, in my opinion, you can't do this using web standards. That said: you could output the results into an XML file off the web root, then consume and display it into a Flash file (or build the entire interface as a Flash client). In that way you can render the text as an image or non-copyable text fairly easily. Or, you could put the output into PDF format, with copying prevented. Or, you could render it as an image on the server (sort of a poor man's digital rights management). You may not be able to read it properly though. Applying a transparent image will not be very effective as the data can be exposed by either looking at the HTML source or by turning off images using the browser. cheers Paul Paul Minty Director mintleaf studio We design & create stylish websites Post: Box 6 108 Flinders Street Melbourne VIC 3000 Level 2 108 Flinders Street Melbourne T. 03 9662 9344 F. 03 9662 9255 M. 0418 307 475 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mintleafstudio.com.au > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Roper > Sent: Friday, 21 December 2007 10:00 AM > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: [WSG] Preventing copying of text from web page. > > Hi, > > We have been asked by a client whether it is possible to any > extent to prevent/deter users from copying content from a > particular web page. > > The page will comprise two main areas: > > 1) Selection options in the form of select lists, check boxes etc. > > 2) Once the criteria have been selected then a 'Search' > button will initiate a script that will query the database > and display resulting text records in tabular format. > > The requirement is that the the user should be able to view > the resulting output, but not to be able to copy/paste to > other applications. > > Is this possible to achieve in a way that is > standards-compliant - or indeed in any way at all? One > suggestion has been to apply a transparent image over the > results table - but not sure if this could be done with CSS etc? > > If this is considered off-topic then I would welcome > suggestions for more appropriate forums. > > Many thanks in anticipation. > > Regards, > > > -- > Nick Roper > partner > logical elements > > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* > > > > ********************************************************************* From: James Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:37:29 +1100 Subject: Re: [WSG] Preventing copying of text from web page. Hi This is an oft asked question by a lot of clients and relies on a basic misundertanding of how documents are passed around the internet. Basically, it is impossible (see examples below). If you don't want information copied from your web page then don't put in on the web. period. Additionally, copy+paste is one of the most fundamental actions on any device, disabling it is pretty rude and nigh on impossible anway - on some desktop environments you can determine your own keystrokes to copy and paste that are known only to you and can't be detected by client side code e.g Ctrl-Alt-Tab-C for copying Examples: 1. "Lets disable right click functionaity!" results: - users lose functionality - easy workaround workaround 1: $ wget http://www.example.com/ > 'copy of your home page.html' workaround 2: install some firefox extension to ignore right click disable requests by a page workaround 3: use the google cache or the web archive workaround 4: take it out of the brower cache - where it is copied anyway 2. "Let's encrypt the html!" results: no such thing - it's encoding, not encryption. When you encode something anyone can decode it. If it is encryption you'd have to pass a shared key to a public resource or expect your visitors to have that encryption key. slows down page rendering - it has to be decoded by JS usually. workaround 1: - decode_function(html) > 'decoded copy.html' 3. "Let's disable the printer requests!" - see workaround 1.3,1.1,1.4 4. Use images / flash / pdf to render content - content generally inaccessible to search engines and screen readers - decode with OCR technology (crackers can easily do this with captchas) 5. transparent image over content - adblock the image workaround 1: - save as > file.html > "html only" Copyright infringment is best left up to the lawyers - but then there is the argument of content being in the public domain anyway. If you are in a closed intranet environment one way to do it would be to employ someone who runs around everytime a page is rendered in a browser and shouts very loudly "remember not to copy and paste!" :) Thanks James On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:48:17 am Nick Roper wrote: > Hi, > > We have been asked by a client whether it is possible to any extent to > prevent/deter users from copying content from a particular web page. > > The page will comprise two main areas: > > 1) Selection options in the form of select lists, check boxes etc. > > 2) Once the criteria have been selected then a 'Search' button will > initiate a script that will query the database and display resulting > text records in tabular format. > > The requirement is that the the user should be able to view the > resulting output, but not to be able to copy/paste to other applications. > > Is this possible to achieve in a way that is standards-compliant - or > indeed in any way at all? One suggestion has been to apply a transparent > image over the results table - but not sure if this could be done with > CSS etc? > > If this is considered off-topic then I would welcome suggestions for > more appropriate forums. > > Many thanks in anticipation. > > Regards, ********************************************************************* From: "Mike at Green-Beast.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:09:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [WSG] Preventing copying of text from web page. Don't forget, with all the best barriers in place, one can always transcribe the content so the only real solution, as James wrote: > If you don't want information copied from > your web page then don't put in on the web. period. Holiday cheers. Mike Cherim ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <wsg@webstandardsgroup.org> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Preventing copying of text from web page. > Hi > > This is an oft asked question by a lot of clients and relies on a basic > misundertanding of how documents are passed around the internet. > Basically, it is impossible (see examples below). If you don't want > information copied from your web page then don't put in on the web. > period. > > Additionally, copy+paste is one of the most fundamental actions on any > device, > disabling it is pretty rude and nigh on impossible anway - on some desktop > environments you can determine your own keystrokes to copy and paste that > are > known only to you and can't be detected by client side code > e.g Ctrl-Alt-Tab-C for copying > > Examples: > 1. "Lets disable right click functionaity!" > results: > - users lose functionality > - easy workaround > > workaround 1: > $ wget http://www.example.com/ > 'copy of your home page.html' > workaround 2: > install some firefox extension to ignore right click disable requests by a > page > workaround 3: > use the google cache or the web archive > workaround 4: > take it out of the brower cache - where it is copied anyway > > 2. "Let's encrypt the html!" > results: > no such thing - it's encoding, not encryption. When you encode something > anyone can decode it. If it is encryption you'd have to pass a shared key > to > a public resource or expect your visitors to have that encryption key. > slows down page rendering - it has to be decoded by JS usually. > > workaround 1: > - decode_function(html) > 'decoded copy.html' > > 3. "Let's disable the printer requests!" > - see workaround 1.3,1.1,1.4 > > 4. Use images / flash / pdf to render content > - content generally inaccessible to search engines and screen readers > - decode with OCR technology (crackers can easily do this with captchas) > > 5. transparent image over content > - adblock the image > workaround 1: > - save as > file.html > "html only" > > Copyright infringment is best left up to the lawyers - but then there is > the > argument of content being in the public domain anyway. > > If you are in a closed intranet environment one way to do it would be to > employ someone who runs around everytime a page is rendered in a browser > and > shouts very loudly "remember not to copy and paste!" :) > > > Thanks > James > > On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:48:17 am Nick Roper wrote: >> Hi, >> >> We have been asked by a client whether it is possible to any extent to >> prevent/deter users from copying content from a particular web page. >> >> The page will comprise two main areas: >> >> 1) Selection options in the form of select lists, check boxes etc. >> >> 2) Once the criteria have been selected then a 'Search' button will >> initiate a script that will query the database and display resulting >> text records in tabular format. >> >> The requirement is that the the user should be able to view the >> resulting output, but not to be able to copy/paste to other applications. >> >> Is this possible to achieve in a way that is standards-compliant - or >> indeed in any way at all? One suggestion has been to apply a transparent >> image over the results table - but not sure if this could be done with >> CSS etc? >> >> If this is considered off-topic then I would welcome suggestions for >> more appropriate forums. >> >> Many thanks in anticipation. >> >> Regards, > > > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* > ********************************************************************* From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:37:43 +1100 Subject: Mary-Anne Nayler is out of the office. [SEC=No Protective Marking Present] I will be out of the office starting 21/12/2007 and will not return until 07/01/2008. I will respond to your message when I return. For anything urgent, please email "Web Site". ******************************************************************************** NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action based upon it. If you received this message in error please notify Medicare Australia immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Medicare Australia. *********************************************************************************** ********************************************************************* From: Philippe Wittenbergh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:22:19 +0900 Subject: Re: [WSG] Site Check On Dec 21, 2007, at 7:30 AM, CK wrote: > http://working.bushidodeep.com/kevon/index.html The footer (#header) that covers the scrollbar is quite disturbing. Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh <http://emps.l-c-n.com> ********************************************************************* From: Palle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:13:45 +0100 Subject: Re: [WSG] strange cropping of divs in ie The best way, when trying to get the same results cross browsers is to use a strict doctype. ex. for HTML 4.01: <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd";> ex. for XHTML 1.0: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd";> Good luck! On Dec 21, 2007 12:52 AM, kevin mcmonagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi, > If i can ask an old question, whats the best way to get margins and > padding to be set the same across all browsers. > -kevin > > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* > > ********************************************************************* From: Joe Ortenzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 07:31:58 +0000 Subject: Re: [WSG] Preventing copying of text from web page. Man I so agree this! I had a client once, selling small bags and jewellery. She wanted it impossible to save her pictures of products as she "heard it could be done" and we were being lax by not doing it. She was afraid of seeing knockoffs in china. Completely forgetting that the bootleggers would simply buy a few in order to copy them.... She didn't understand that the files were already copied onto the viewers computer and if a nasty copyright-infringing Hong Kong company wanted a copy of her items all they had to do was look, Removing copy and print functionality just made the site worse for the rest of her customers (you know, the ones you want to be happy so they'll spend more!). We eventually dropped her (mad as a hatter for many other reasons!) but if your client doesn't want their content read it shouldn't be on the web. ANy other protection problem, once hacked (and it will be hacked!) will simply mean you don't trust your viewers, visitors, etc... and in turn they won't like you either. Not the sort of relationship you want to foster. Why not simply make people register for it? Then you have their details and if you make the registration process intelligent, they will be aware they are being tracked and more likely to behave. All sorts of benefits and if the discussion forum is inside there as well then you can even claim some web 2.0-ness as an added benefit of registration! Shops have cameras and security guards to make the fact that we are being observed in their premises as unobtrusive as possible yet still allow some semblance of security and deterrent. We accept this as long as the guards aren't right in our pockets and the cameras are hidden in corners and in the ceiling. Joe On Dec 21 2007, at 03:09, Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote: > Don't forget, with all the best barriers in place, one can always > transcribe the content so the only real solution, as James wrote: > >> If you don't want information copied from >> your web page then don't put in on the web. period. > > Holiday cheers. > Mike Cherim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Ellis" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <wsg@webstandardsgroup.org> > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:37 PM > Subject: Re: [WSG] Preventing copying of text from web page. > > >> Hi >> >> This is an oft asked question by a lot of clients and relies on a >> basic >> misundertanding of how documents are passed around the internet. >> Basically, it is impossible (see examples below). If you don't want >> information copied from your web page then don't put in on the >> web. period. >> >> Additionally, copy+paste is one of the most fundamental actions on >> any device, >> disabling it is pretty rude and nigh on impossible anway - on some >> desktop >> environments you can determine your own keystrokes to copy and >> paste that are >> known only to you and can't be detected by client side code >> e.g Ctrl-Alt-Tab-C for copying >> >> Examples: >> 1. "Lets disable right click functionaity!" >> results: >> - users lose functionality >> - easy workaround >> >> workaround 1: >> $ wget http://www.example.com/ > 'copy of your home page.html' >> workaround 2: >> install some firefox extension to ignore right click disable >> requests by a >> page >> workaround 3: >> use the google cache or the web archive >> workaround 4: >> take it out of the brower cache - where it is copied anyway >> >> 2. "Let's encrypt the html!" >> results: >> no such thing - it's encoding, not encryption. When you encode >> something >> anyone can decode it. If it is encryption you'd have to pass a >> shared key to >> a public resource or expect your visitors to have that encryption >> key. >> slows down page rendering - it has to be decoded by JS usually. >> >> workaround 1: >> - decode_function(html) > 'decoded copy.html' >> >> 3. "Let's disable the printer requests!" >> - see workaround 1.3,1.1,1.4 >> >> 4. Use images / flash / pdf to render content >> - content generally inaccessible to search engines and screen readers >> - decode with OCR technology (crackers can easily do this with >> captchas) >> >> 5. transparent image over content >> - adblock the image >> workaround 1: >> - save as > file.html > "html only" >> >> Copyright infringment is best left up to the lawyers - but then >> there is the >> argument of content being in the public domain anyway. >> >> If you are in a closed intranet environment one way to do it would >> be to >> employ someone who runs around everytime a page is rendered in a >> browser and >> shouts very loudly "remember not to copy and paste!" :) >> >> >> Thanks >> James >> >> On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:48:17 am Nick Roper wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> We have been asked by a client whether it is possible to any >>> extent to >>> prevent/deter users from copying content from a particular web page. >>> >>> The page will comprise two main areas: >>> >>> 1) Selection options in the form of select lists, check boxes etc. >>> >>> 2) Once the criteria have been selected then a 'Search' button will >>> initiate a script that will query the database and display resulting >>> text records in tabular format. >>> >>> The requirement is that the the user should be able to view the >>> resulting output, but not to be able to copy/paste to other >>> applications. >>> >>> Is this possible to achieve in a way that is standards-compliant >>> - or >>> indeed in any way at all? One suggestion has been to apply a >>> transparent >>> image over the results table - but not sure if this could be done >>> with >>> CSS etc? >>> >>> If this is considered off-topic then I would welcome suggestions for >>> more appropriate forums. >>> >>> Many thanks in anticipation. >>> >>> Regards, >> >> >> >> >> ******************************************************************* >> List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >> Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >> Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> ******************************************************************* > > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* > Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.joiz.com ********************************************************************* From: Joe Ortenzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 07:33:50 +0000 Subject: Re: [WSG] Mary-Anne Nayler is out of the office. [SEC=No Protective Marking Present] I tried sending an email to "Web Site" but got an "address not valid" error! ;-) Is that like sending a letter to "North Pole" ? Joe On Dec 21 2007, at 04:37, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I will be out of the office starting 21/12/2007 and will not > return until > 07/01/2008. > > I will respond to your message when I return. For anything urgent, > please > email "Web Site". > > > > ********************************************************************** > ********** > NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the addressee > named above and may contain privileged and confidential > information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message > you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take > any action based upon it. If you received this message in error > please notify Medicare Australia immediately. Any views expressed > in this message are those of the individual sender, except where > the sender specifically states them to be the views of Medicare > Australia. > ********************************************************************** > ************* > > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* > Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.joiz.com ********************************************************************* From: Chris Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:21:16 +0000 Subject: RE: [WSG] Preventing copying of text from web page. > From: Joe Ortenzi > Sent: 21 December 2007 07:32 > Why not simply make people register for it? Then you > have their details and if you make the registration > process intelligent, they will be aware they are being > tracked and more likely to behave. All sorts of benefits > and if the discussion forum is inside there as well then > you can even claim some web 2.0-ness as an added benefit > of registration! This to me seems like a good option, and by registering someone you could t hen give them a "doctored" version of the data including unique information to tie that particular view of the data with their session. That unique ID could be in a table cell, in the title of the page, as a footer etc. If yo u found a copy of that data with the unique session ID anywhere you could t race it back to a date, time, IP address and registered user. Of course the problem there is that anyone with a bit of HTML skill could r emove the unique ID from the page. Still, it may help to deter casual copie rs. Chris This message has been scanned for malware by SurfControl plc. www.surfcontr ol.com ********************************************************************* From: =?windows-1252?Q?Gunlaug_S=F8rtun?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:46:40 +0100 Subject: Re: [WSG] strange cropping of divs in ie kevin mcmonagle wrote: > If i can ask an old question, whats the best way to get margins and > padding to be set the same across all browsers. In standard mode with all other variables equal, margins and paddings _are_ the same, so I guess that's not what your question is about. Standard mode vs. Quirks mode box model differences are more likely causing you problems. If you want to cater for older IE/win and other Quirks mode only versions, alongside the latest browsers: don't declare side-paddings on elements boxes that have declared width. Instead, declare side-margins on non-sized elements inside those sized boxes like paragraphs, lists and so on. That'll minimize differences, and you will only have to take eventual border-widths into account. I'm dealing with Standard mode vs. Quirks mode box model differences all the time - by choice... <http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_additions_16.html> ...so "hitting the middle-ground" has become routine. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no ********************************************************************* From: Jos Flachs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:05:52 +0700 Subject: Rockwell? Hi, I got a font problem: for a site I'm working on I'd like to use rockwell.ttf, in the h1 tag. Rockwell isn't a standard font, but every windows user has them, and it is also available for Mac. But I don't know if this font is in the Mac fontbook. And I'm pretty sure *nix users don't have it at all. Is it a better solution to use a gif instead? (Most of the visitors are Windows users.) Thanks for any advice, Jos Flachs mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bangkok, Thailand ********************************************************************* From: "Matthew Pennell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:19:28 +0000 Subject: Re: [WSG] Rockwell? On Dec 21, 2007 10:05 AM, Jos Flachs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I got a font problem: for a site I'm working on I'd like to use > rockwell.ttf, in the h1 tag. > > Rockwell isn't a standard font, but every windows user has them, and > it is also available for Mac. But I don't know if this font is in the > Mac fontbook. And I'm pretty sure *nix users don't have it at all. > It's not a standard Windows font, I'd be surprised if anyone apart from designers had it on their systems (unless it is now bundled with Vista?) Why not use sIFR - the demo even comes with the Rockwell .swf file. - Matthew ********************************************************************* From: Nick Fitzsimons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:44:03 +0000 Subject: Re: [WSG] Rockwell? On 21 Dec 2007, at 10:05, Jos Flachs wrote: > Hi, > > I got a font problem: for a site I'm working on I'd like to use > rockwell.ttf, in the h1 tag. > > Rockwell isn't a standard font, but every windows user has them, and > it is also available for Mac. But I don't know if this font is in the > Mac fontbook. And I'm pretty sure *nix users don't have it at all. I don't have Rockwell on any of my Windows installations (Win 95, 98, ME, 2000, XP Pro and Server 2003). I do have it on my old PowerMac (I can't remember which piece of software it came with), but not on my MacBook or MacBook Pro. Regards, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ ********************************************************************* From: Jos Flachs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:41:36 +0700 Subject: Re[2]: [WSG] Rockwell? > On Dec 21, 2007 10:05 AM, Jos Flachs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I got a font problem: for a site I'm working on I'd like to use > rockwell.ttf, in the h1 tag. > Rockwell isn't a standard font, but every windows user has them, and > it is also available for Mac. But I don't know if this font is in the > Mac fontbook. And I'm pretty sure *nix users don't have it at all. > It's not a standard Windows font, I'd be surprised if anyone > apart from designers had it on their systems (unless it is now > bundled with Vista?) > Why not use sIFR - the demo even comes with the Rockwell .swf file. I've thinking about that. Search engines cannot read swf files. Doesn't make any difference if I use a gif of a swf. -- Best regards, Jos Flachs mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ********************************************************************* From: "Matthew Pennell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:58:00 +0000 Subject: Re: Re[2]: [WSG] Rockwell? On Dec 21, 2007 10:41 AM, Jos Flachs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've thinking about that. Search engines cannot read swf files. > Doesn't make any difference if I use a gif of a swf. > I don't think you understand what sIFR is. The text is plain HTML, e.g. <h1>Welcome to my site</h1>. Then it is replaced with a Flash object using JavaScript. Search engines will just see the semantically rich, accessible text. - Matthew ********************************************************************* From: "Vinicius Vicente de Oliveira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:19:39 -0300 Subject: Comment my website I comment that my website: http://www.viny.eti.br <http://www.viny.eti.br/> Att. Vinicius ********************************************************************* From: Jason Pruim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:01:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [WSG] Mary-Anne Nayler is out of the office. [SEC=No Protective Marking Present] Somewhat... But the Post Office will get it there! :) On Dec 21, 2007, at 2:33 AM, Joe Ortenzi wrote: > I tried sending an email to "Web Site" but got an "address not > valid" error! > > ;-) > > Is that like sending a letter to "North Pole" ? > > Joe > > On Dec 21 2007, at 04:37, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > >> >> I will be out of the office starting 21/12/2007 and will not >> return until >> 07/01/2008. >> >> I will respond to your message when I return. For anything urgent, >> please >> email "Web Site". >> >> >> >> ******************************************************************************** >> NOTICE - This message is intended only for the use of the addressee >> named above and may contain privileged and confidential >> information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message >> you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take >> any action based upon it. If you received this message in error >> please notify Medicare Australia immediately. Any views expressed >> in this message are those of the individual sender, except where >> the sender specifically states them to be the views of Medicare >> Australia. >> *********************************************************************************** >> >> >> >> ******************************************************************* >> List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >> Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >> Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> ******************************************************************* >> > > Joe Ortenzi > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.joiz.com > > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ******************************************************************* -- Jason Pruim Raoset Inc. Technology Manager MQC Specialist 3251 132nd ave Holland, MI, 49424 www.raoset.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ************************************************************** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ************************************************************** _________________________________________________________ This message (including any attachments) is intended solely for the addressee named and may contain confidential and or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of the Ministry of Transport (MoT). Whole or parts of this e-mail may be subject to copyright of the Ministry or third parties. You should only re-transmit, distribute or use the material for commercial purposes if you are authorised to do so. Please visit us http://www.transport.nsw.gov.au or http://www.131500.info ******************************************************************* List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *******************************************************************
