RE: [WSG] Unstyling named anchors

2005-10-31 Thread Martin J. Lambert
From: Paul Noone When using XHTML strict named anchors need to surround some link text, yes? I'd tinkered with a[name]:hover but I'm loathe to create a style for this. I don't think hiding them is th eoption either. Actually, when using XHTML Strict, name is not a valid attribute for

Re: [WSG] Unstyling named anchors

2005-10-31 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Martin J. Lambert wrote: Actually, when using XHTML Strict, name is not a valid attribute for anchors. You can use the id attribute to get the same jump-to-that- section-of-the-page behaviour, but this will work with *any* element, not just anchors. Since you don't want the appearance of a

RE: [WSG] Unstyling named anchors

2005-10-31 Thread Martin J. Lambert
From: Thierry Koblentz Martin J. Lambert wrote: Actually, when using XHTML Strict, name is not a valid attribute for anchors. You can use the id attribute to get the same jump-to-that- section-of-the-page behaviour, but this will work with *any* element, not just anchors. Since you don't

Re: [WSG] Unstyling named anchors

2005-10-31 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Martin J. Lambert wrote: From: Thierry Koblentz I'm not sure about that, I think it is better to use both attributes and may be even more to prevent a IE bug related to tabbing navigation. http://www.motive.co.nz/glossary/anchor.php

Re: [WSG] Unstyling named anchors

2005-10-31 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Thierry Koblentz wrote: name is used for old browsers. And I'm pretty sure it validates against a Strict DTD (HTML or XHTML 1.0). Please correct me if I'm wrong here... No, you're indeed correct. Up to XHTML 1.0 Strict it's perfectly valid to use the name attribute on anchors. It's only

RE: [WSG] Unstyling named anchors

2005-10-31 Thread Paul Noone
Thanks guys. Patrick is right. I'd already validated the code and it came up fine. The reason I've run into this little problem is because, unlike HTML, XHTML seems to require that the a tag surrounds some text. Perhaps an nbsp; would do it? The named anchor is picking up the color of the a:link

Re: [WSG] Unstyling named anchors

2005-10-31 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Paul Noone wrote: The reason I've run into this little problem is because, unlike HTML, XHTML seems to require that the a tag surrounds some text. Perhaps an nbsp; would do it? What make you think you can't leave them empty? How are other people preventing this, apart from hiding their

RE: [WSG] Unstyling named anchors

2005-10-31 Thread Damien Hill
@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Unstyling named anchors Thanks guys. Patrick is right. I'd already validated the code and it came up fine. The reason I've run into this little problem is because, unlike HTML, XHTML seems to require that the a tag surrounds some text. Perhaps an nbsp; would do it? The named

Re: [WSG] Unstyling named anchors

2005-10-31 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Damien Hill wrote: For IE and Firefox on PC, the styles I apply to a:link don't effect anchors. Because a name=blah/a is not a :link, but a local anchor, whereas a more generic a style selector will include those as well. So yes, a simple way to avoid issues is to just define a:link,

RE: [WSG] Unstyling named anchors

2005-10-31 Thread Paul Noone
into problems with that somewhere. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Damien Hill Sent: Tuesday, 1 November 2005 9:36 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Unstyling named anchors For IE and Firefox on PC, the styles I apply

Re: [WSG] Unstyling named anchors

2005-10-31 Thread Gez Lemon
On 31/10/05, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thierry Koblentz wrote: name is used for old browsers. And I'm pretty sure it validates against a Strict DTD (HTML or XHTML 1.0). Please correct me if I'm wrong here... No, you're indeed correct. Up to XHTML 1.0 Strict it's perfectly

Re: [WSG] Unstyling named anchors

2005-10-31 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Damien Hill wrote: For IE and Firefox on PC, the styles I apply to a:link don't effect anchors. Because a name=blah/a is not a :link, but a local anchor, whereas a more generic a style selector will include those as well. So yes, a simple way to avoid issues is to

Re: [WSG] Unstyling named anchors

2005-10-31 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Gez Lemon wrote: The name attribute is formerly deprecated for a, applet, form, frame, iframe, img, and map in XHTML 1.0, and deleted from XHTML 1.1. I stand (well, sit) corrected. I meant deleted, but said deprecated...d'oh! P -- Patrick H. Lauke

Re: [WSG] Unstyling named anchors

2005-10-31 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Paul Noone wrote: Well now I'm totally confused. Ah...can anyone spell Dreamweaver? :\ a-HEM. Big sorry there. What make you think you can't leave them empty? Assumptions based on a code rewrite. Is that not the case? In which case can it be self-containg and self-closing too? a

RE: [WSG] Unstyling named anchors

2005-10-31 Thread Geoff Pack
Martin J. Lambert wrote: Actually, when using XHTML Strict, name is not a valid attribute for anchors. You can use the id attribute to get the same jump-to-that- section-of-the-page behaviour, but this will work with *any* element, not just anchors. Since you don't want the appearance of a

Re: [WSG] Unstyling named anchors

2005-10-31 Thread Mordechai Peller
Gez Lemon wrote: The name attribute is formerly deprecated for...form...in XHTML 1.0, and deleted from XHTML 1.1. From form, yes, but not from the various form elements such as input /, where it may in fact be required for proper functioning, though valid without. While I'm sure most of you

Re: [WSG] Unstyling named anchors

2005-10-31 Thread Mordechai Peller
Paul Noone wrote: I'd tinkered with a[name]:hover but I'm loathe to create a style for this. I don't think hiding them is th eoption either. Why not use a class (a name=... class=named/a) as a[name] doesn't yet work on IE, never mind any browser which doesn't understand jumping to an id.

RE: [WSG] Unstyling named anchors

2005-10-30 Thread Damien Hill
How have you applied your link styles? a { ... } Or a:link, a:visited { ... } If you style links without specifying the :link pseudo-class, then you select all anchors - whether or not the href attribute is present. Hope that solves the problem. Cheers, Damien -Original Message-

Re: [WSG] Unstyling named anchors

2005-10-30 Thread Joshua Street
On 10/31/05, Paul Noone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have a standard approach to unstyling named anchors I this case which will work cross-browser? How about some Javascript? I don't really know what I'm doing with that beast, but maybe something like document.getElementsByName(*); and