Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X 1.71 C2 and WAV files

2017-02-07 Thread Bill Somerville
On 08/02/2017 00:48, Bill Somerville wrote: On 08/02/2017 00:44, Josh Rovero wrote: Is there a setting that can be used to prevent the accumulation of c2 and wav files in the C:\Users\\appdata\Local\\save directory? Selecting menu item Save->None isn't it. They still accumulate. Hi Josh, tha

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X 1.71 C2 and WAV files

2017-02-07 Thread Bill Somerville
On 08/02/2017 00:44, Josh Rovero wrote: > Is there a setting that can be used to prevent the accumulation of c2 > and wav files in the > C:\Users\\appdata\Local\\save directory? > > Selecting menu item Save->None isn't it. They still accumulate. Hi Josh, that should be it, if it is not working

[wsjt-devel] WSJT-X 1.71 C2 and WAV files

2017-02-07 Thread Josh Rovero
Is there a setting that can be used to prevent the accumulation of c2 and wav files in the C:\Users\\appdata\Local\\save directory? Selecting menu item Save->None isn't it. They still accumulate. -- P.J. "Josh" Rovero http://www.roveroresearch.org Ham Radio: KK1D http://www.roveroresear

Re: [wsjt-devel] Debian source package?

2017-02-07 Thread Bill Somerville
On 08/02/2017 00:24, Phil Frost wrote: > I notice the source has a debian/directory, but not debian/control. > I'd like to make a custom build and I figure this is the quickest way > to a working build. > > It seems there's already some process in place for building Debian > packages; who mainta

[wsjt-devel] Debian source package?

2017-02-07 Thread Phil Frost
I notice the source has a debian/directory, but not debian/control. I'd like to make a custom build and I figure this is the quickest way to a working build. It seems there's already some process in place for building Debian packages; who maintains that or where can I find it?

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times

2017-02-07 Thread Ernie Walls
Gee Laurie, I think you are being a bit extreme asking for users to accept some (or any) responsibility. You should be well aware that these days we all expect our software to overcome any thought processes or effort on the users behalf and if anything goes wrong, or is not absolutely perfect,

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times (Laurie, VK3AMA)

2017-02-07 Thread Black Michael
Also, do you have the log fields visible on JTAlert?  The "Time" field there is the start time it uses prior to the change to WSJT-X. de Mike W9MDB From: ANDY DURBIN To: "wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net" Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO s

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times (Laurie, VK3AMA)

2017-02-07 Thread Black Michael
That will be in 1.7.1.   de Mike W9MDB From: ANDY DURBIN To: "wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net" Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times (Laurie, VK3AMA) "There is also the option that the *user take some responsibility* ov

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times (Laurie, VK3AMA)

2017-02-07 Thread ANDY DURBIN
"There is also the option that the *user take some responsibility* over what they are logging and spend a few seconds during a lengthy JT65/9 QSO to ensure that the Start time (if they are using JTAlert) is correct. If they are not using JTAlert, the Time_on field is available for editing prior to

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times

2017-02-07 Thread James Shaver (N2ADV)
Agreed, Laurie - and considering systems like LoTW or QRZ etc allow for +/-30 minutes for award tracking, it would seem this isn't a massive issue to the end user anyway, especially if they're paying attention to what they're actually logging (I know those extra few key strokes may be difficult

Re: [wsjt-devel] Bug Report (WSJT-X v1.7.0 r7405 on Mac OS X)

2017-02-07 Thread DI Siegfried Hanisch
Hi I created a new Audio Device in the "Audio MIDI Setup“ Application (comes with OS X), and named it so that it is alphabetically the first Audio Device (something like „AAA…“); I added just the "USB Audio CODEC“ to it. So it is basically a reference to the "USB Audio CODEC“ device. Then I co

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times

2017-02-07 Thread Laurie, VK3AMA
On 8/02/2017 3:04 AM, ANDY DURBIN wrote: - QSO Start time field in Log Fields area. Populated with the utc time when a new QSO partner Callsign is detected. If it contains a value it will override the time provided by WSJT-X and JT65-HF logging event. I could find no record th

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times

2017-02-07 Thread Laurie, VK3AMA
On 8/02/2017 5:09 AM, Bill Somerville wrote: Added to all this you have the ALL.TXT file for reference so if in the rare event you forget that the start time is too early due to an extended call that is not heard and, say, if an LotW confirmation is not forthcoming; you can review the QSO,

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times

2017-02-07 Thread Laurie, VK3AMA
My Comments inline... On 8/02/2017 1:16 AM, ANDY DURBIN wrote: "I also wonder if the ones complaining are using the older version of JTAlert which tries to "guess" the TIME_ON from the 1st observation of the callsign which works on a normal QSO but not when you're waiting for them at all"

Re: [wsjt-devel] Bug Report (WSJT-X v1.7.0 r7405 on Mac OS X)

2017-02-07 Thread John Nelson
Hi Siegfried, > My audio device (which is provided by the driver for the USB connected IC7300 > and RS590S) is „USB Audio CODEC“, which is alphabetically below „Build-In > Output“ etc. Same as mine. I also make sure in System Preferences > Sound that Input/Output devices are also USB Audio C

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times

2017-02-07 Thread Black Michael
All the logic is not just to make start times matchthat's just a capability added to the logic.There are several situations where the start of QSO is not easily determined as I sent earlier and the DX call changing is not the most reliable indicator.   Hopefully the patch I sent makes it bet

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times

2017-02-07 Thread Black Michael
This improves the start time a bit and I think covers the test that you ran where you skipped the grid.So received grid messages and reports will set start time (back a couple minutes) if start time is not already set. https://www.dropbox.com/s/m6byc65bkkabtyx/timeon.patch?dl=1 de Mike W9MDB

Re: [wsjt-devel] Bug Report (WSJT-X v1.7.0 r7405 on Mac OS X)

2017-02-07 Thread DI Siegfried Hanisch
Hi thank you for trying! What are the names of the audio devices you see in the Preferences->Audio->Soundcard Input and Output combo boxes? Maybe the problem is related to the naming of these devices - for example it might accidentially switch to the first device in the list, and depending on t

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times

2017-02-07 Thread Bill Somerville
On 07/02/2017 16:40, ANDY DURBIN wrote: "what could that reasonable test be?" It could be a test that the time span between the derived QSO start time and the derived QSO end time did not exceed a user specified maximum QSO duration. I would set it to 30 minutes. You could set it to what

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJTX 1.7.0 doesn't install on Debian.

2017-02-07 Thread Rich Griffiths
I'm still pleased by JTSDK. I'm using Debian 8.6 (Jessie) and have already done several successful upgrades (currently r7472 - I'm overdue :-) ) using JTSDK. You have to be careful to follow the instructions to the letter when installing JTSDK, particularly the README.pkg-lists file. But once

Re: [wsjt-devel] Bug Report (WSJT-X v1.7.0 r7405 on Mac OS X)

2017-02-07 Thread John Nelson
Hi Keith and Siegfried, I downloaded r7405 (the official release) and have been trying all afternoon to reproduce this problem and cannot succeed. No faults after several hours. I wonder what is different with my setup: MacBook Pro with OSX 10.11.6. Mac USB to powered hub: hub USB to Signa

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times

2017-02-07 Thread Black Michael
I can see a couple of improvements that should solve the problem you saw and get this to work with double-clicking messages. So...what agreement do we want for determining the QSO start time?  What message is time_on for each side? de Mike W9MDB From: Bill Somerville To: wsjt-devel@lists

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times

2017-02-07 Thread Black Michael
Were you progressing by double-clicking the messages instead of using the buttons? Right now that resets the start time.  Maybe that needs to be changed. doubleClickOnCall2 and doubleClickOnCall both reset start time.I think the set_dateTimeQSO(-1) could be removed from both of those.Do we have s

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times

2017-02-07 Thread ANDY DURBIN
"what could that reasonable test be?" It could be a test that the time span between the derived QSO start time and the derived QSO end time did not exceed a user specified maximum QSO duration. I would set it to 30 minutes. You could set it to whatever time was appropriate for your fishing

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times

2017-02-07 Thread Black Michael
Why new DX call will not work well. CQ W9MDB EM49W9MDB K1JT W9MDB G4WJS IO91 -- your proposed start timeI work K1JTI then work somebody else while you keep trying perhaps on a split freqYou finally get through somewhere down the pileup Your start time may not even be close. The logic in there

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times

2017-02-07 Thread Bill Somerville
On 07/02/2017 16:04, Black Michael wrote: Give me the ALL.TXT entries from the test and the times you saw on logging and I'll figure out what's going on. Hi Mike, Station A ALL.TXT: 1509 Transmitting 14.076 MHz JT65: G0FUN G4WJS IO91 1511 Transmitting 14.076 MHz JT65: G0FUN G4WJS IO91 1

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times

2017-02-07 Thread Bill Somerville
On 07/02/2017 16:16, Bill Somerville wrote: > 1534 Transmitting 14.076 MHz JT65: G4WJS G0FUN 73 > 1535 -1 0.1 1500 # G0FUN G4WJS 73 ... Sorry prematurely sent e-mail. I believe Station A (G4WJS) had a log window showing time on and off as 15:31 and Station B (G0FUN) was offered time on an

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times

2017-02-07 Thread Black Michael
That's JTAlert's "guess" of when the QSO start from the "new QSO partner" which can be horribly wrong as you've found out. WSJT-X r7430 added it's own TIME_ON field and JTAlert 2.9.0 now uses that instead of it's own guess. de Mike W9MDB From: ANDY DURBIN To: "wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforg

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times

2017-02-07 Thread Black Michael
Give me the ALL.TXT entries from the test and the times you saw on logging and I'll figure out what's going on. de Mike W9MDB From: Bill Somerville To: wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times

2017-02-07 Thread ANDY DURBIN
"I do believe it's JTAlert 2.9.0 that has the TIME_ON fix and you have to be using r7430 or greater. de Mike W9MDB" I browsed the JTAlert change log: JTAlert Ver 2.5.0 13 Nov 2014 - QSO Start time field in Log Fields area. Populated with the utc time when a new QSO partner Callsign is

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times

2017-02-07 Thread Black Michael
So we need to define "reality".  and "the actual start of QSO".  JTAlert pre 2.9.0 would have used the CQ or Tx 1 message time as the 1st observation of the QSO. Given a standard QSO what's the "start"? 0 - CQ W9MDB EM491 - W9MDB G4WJS IO912 - G4WJS W9MDB -013 - W9MDB G4WJS R-014 - G4WJS W9MDB R

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times

2017-02-07 Thread Bill Somerville
On 07/02/2017 15:40, Black Michael wrote: How do you do the simulation? The TIME_ON defaults to the logging time only when it hasn't been set yet. Currently only done when Tx 2 or 3 is clicked by either Next or Now. Are you simulating without clicking? That might 'splain it. Hi Mike, two

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times

2017-02-07 Thread Black Michael
How do you do the simulation? The TIME_ON defaults to the logging time only when it hasn't been set yet.   Currently only done when Tx 2 or 3 is clicked by either Next or Now.Are you simulating without clicking?  That might 'splain it. de Mike W9MDB From: Bill Somerville To: wsjt-devel@li

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times

2017-02-07 Thread Bill Somerville
On 07/02/2017 13:50, Black Michael wrote: > Where are the examples of it being wrong? I'm a bit pedantic about > time and would like to fix it to be what everybody agrees is "correct". Hi Mike, TBH I am struggling to get the current version of WSJT-X to record any reasonable QSO start time whe

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times

2017-02-07 Thread Bill Somerville
On 07/02/2017 14:16, ANDY DURBIN wrote: Any code that attempts to derive a QSO start time should also include a reasonableness test on QSO duration. HI Andy, what could that reasonable test be? For example a pair EME operators with marginal conditions and mid level equipment might expect to

Re: [wsjt-devel] Random WSJT error

2017-02-07 Thread Joe Taylor
Hi Bill, >> At line 54 of file C:\Users\*bill*\src\wsjt-svn\lib\decoder.f90 (unit >> = 13) >> >> Fortran runtime error: Cannot open file >> 'C:\Users\OEM\AppData\Local\Temp\WSJT-X*/*decoded.txt': Permission denied In r7559 I made a change so that up to three tries will be made to open this file,

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times

2017-02-07 Thread Black Michael
I do believe it's JTAlert 2.9.0 that has the TIME_ON fix and you have to be using r7430 or greater. de Mike W9MDB From: ANDY DURBIN To: "wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net" Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times "I also wo

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times

2017-02-07 Thread ANDY DURBIN
"I also wonder if the ones complaining are using the older version of JTAlert which tries to "guess" the TIME_ON from the 1st observation of the callsign which works on a normal QSO but not when you're waiting for them at all" I have not complained to anyone but I have had to track down multipl

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times

2017-02-07 Thread Black Michael
The CQ/QRZ logic doesn't allow for sitting on your grid report with somebody and they eventually come back to you. I see this as a state transition problem and almost implemented it that way. GRID->RPT->ACK The GRID state is nowhere near 100% accurate as either side could be sitting on CQ obvious

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times

2017-02-07 Thread Black Michael
Under normal conditions that would be true and it is true almost 100% from the CQ side...butanswering a CQ you can sit on TX 1 waiting for an opening while somebody else is in a QSO with them.Namely when you respond to a CQ but they end up working somebody else first.That's why I subbed some

Re: [wsjt-devel] Bug Report (WSJT-X v1.7.0 r7405 on Mac OS X)

2017-02-07 Thread Bill Somerville
On 07/02/2017 07:52, DI Siegfried Hanisch wrote: # Operating system Mac OS X 10.11.6 but it also happened in earlier versions of Mac OS X # Concise description of the problem after some transmissions, the Audio input and output seems to be switched from the selected (configured) Audio Devic

[wsjt-devel] Bug Report (WSJT-X v1.7.0 r7405 on Mac OS X)

2017-02-07 Thread Keith Laaks
Hi All. I can confirm. Exactly the same problem on my side. Only difference being is that I am running via usb directly into a FT-991. I dont have this issue when running wsjt. Only on wsjt-x. So can also rule out RF getting into the usb somehow. Of course any user using the default audio out w

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times

2017-02-07 Thread Bill Somerville
Hi Mike, On 07/02/2017 04:45, Black Michael wrote: In that case it could be simplified to just the start of Tx 2 or 3. CQ/Tx 1 still not being even close in too many circumstances. Why is Tx 1 not the start of a QSO? I'd like to see exactly what is being reported as inaccurate and what they

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT-X: QSO start and end times

2017-02-07 Thread Bill Somerville
On 07/02/2017 04:10, ANDY DURBIN wrote: "I don't see why it should not be that the start time is when the DX call box gets changed and the end time is when the QSO is logged." I frequently double click a call of interest so I can track the station in the Rx frequency pane. It could be hour

[wsjt-devel] Bug Report (WSJT-X v1.7.0 r7405 on Mac OS X)

2017-02-07 Thread DI Siegfried Hanisch
Hi Program version currently I use WSJT-X v1.7.0 r7405 but it also happened on 1.6 already, so I do not think this bug was introduced lately Operating system Mac OS X 10.11.6 but it also happened in earlier versions of Mac OS X Concise description of the problem after some transmissions

[wsjt-devel] Bug Report (WSJT-X v1.7.0 r7405 on Mac OS X)

2017-02-07 Thread DI Siegfried Hanisch
Hi (sorry if this message shows up twice, I just saw that I need to subscriber first before being able to post) Program version currently I use WSJT-X v1.7.0 r7405 but it also happened on 1.6 already, so I do not think this bug was introduced lately Operating system Mac OS X 10.11.6 b