Re: [wsjt-devel] FT8 ghost signals

2019-07-07 Thread Patrick 9A5CW
Hi all... You may check also: http://dx.3sdesign.de/index.htm?airplane_scatter.htm I like hunting ghost signals and decode them ! Do you? ;) Especially on 6m band when they are scattered from high muf clouds, Muf just bellow 6m but also scattered, multipath scatter etc... Best of all i will never

Re: [wsjt-devel] FT8 ghost signals

2019-07-07 Thread Bill Somerville
On 07/07/2019 16:50, David Tiller wrote: -70 Hz at 50.313 MHz is a relative velocity of about -209 m/s or -468 mph.  That's in the ballpark for a jet aircraft. Hi David and all, here is a handy web resource: http://www.rfcafe.com/references/electrical/doppler.htm note the first of the two f

Re: [wsjt-devel] FT8 ghost signals

2019-07-07 Thread David Tiller
-70 Hz at 50.313 MHz is a relative velocity of about -209 m/s or -468 mph. That's in the ballpark for a jet aircraft. On Jul 7, 2019, at 10:19, Rich Zwirko - K1HTV mailto:k1...@comcast.net>> wrote: Reino, Yes, the main stronger FT8 signal is the one heard directly. The Doppler shifted signal

Re: [wsjt-devel] FT8 Ghost Signals

2019-07-07 Thread Martin Davies G0HDB
On 7 Jul 2019 at 15:02, Rich Zwirko - K1HTV wrote: > Martin, > The reason why I believe that the ghost FT8 signals are not being caused > by aircraft is because of the amount of Doppler being observed on the > waterfall display. In the case of the aircraft reflections that you have > observed, t

Re: [wsjt-devel] Why time difference

2019-07-07 Thread Martin Davies G0HDB
On 7 Jul 2019 at 11:37, Edward stallman wrote: > I worked a new one JW7QIA Peter on 6m and was on the ON4KST 6m chat at > the time . When the QSO was complete I Thanked Peter and pasted his > final FT8 73 on the chat page . I don't understand the difference we > each posted in DT ? Peter posted

Re: [wsjt-devel] FT8 ghost signals

2019-07-07 Thread David Tiller
Since the transmitted and received frequencies are known, another reality check would be to calculate the velocity of the presumed moving Doppler target. If it's outside the max operating speed of normal jet aircraft, it's probably not one. Note that you can't say the same about speeds below mi

Re: [wsjt-devel] Why time difference

2019-07-07 Thread Bill Somerville
On 07/07/2019 17:37, Edward stallman wrote: I worked a new one JW7QIA Peter on 6m and was on the ON4KST 6m chat at the time . When the QSO was complete I Thanked Peter and pasted his final FT8 73 on the chat page . I don't understand the difference we each posted in DT ? Peter posted my RR73

Re: [wsjt-devel] Why time difference

2019-07-07 Thread Ryan Tourge
6M is a fickle beast. On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 12:41 PM Edward stallman wrote: > I worked a new one JW7QIA Peter on 6m and was on the ON4KST 6m chat at the > time . When the QSO was complete I Thanked Peter and pasted his final FT8 > 73 on the chat page . I don't understand the difference we each

[wsjt-devel] Why time difference

2019-07-07 Thread Edward stallman
I worked a new one JW7QIA Peter on 6m and was on the ON4KST 6m chat at the time . When the QSO was complete I Thanked Peter and pasted his final FT8 73 on the chat page . I don't understand the difference we each posted in DT ? Peter posted my RR73 and the DT was 1.2 sec , I posted his 73 and t

Re: [wsjt-devel] FT8 ghost signals

2019-07-07 Thread Bill Somerville
On 06/07/2019 21:06, Rich Zwirko - K1HTV wrote: Here in the Mid-Atlantic, a number of 6 Meter FT8 DXers have observed backscatter signals that appear as a 2nd or even a 3rd signal on the WSJT-X Wide Graph window. The Doppler shifted frequency is usually lower than the direct signal. In addition

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT Audio Input Loss

2019-07-07 Thread Bill Barrett
Hello Hasan- Others have this issue with Win10 on certain motherboards. I have ASUS Z97A MB I7 4790 4 Ghz that will not run DAX reliably on Win10. When Win10 came out tried the free upgrade and had the issue of seeing input to WSJT-X but no decodes on several of 8 Instances running on my 6700. Open

Re: [wsjt-devel] FT8 ghost signals

2019-07-07 Thread Rich Zwirko - K1HTV
Reino, Yes, the main stronger FT8 signal is the one heard directly. The Doppler shifted signals, reflected from the direction of a strong Es cloud, are usually between 40 and over 100 Hz lower, with the average of around -70 Hz. 73, Rich - K1HTV = = = From: Reino Talarmo To: "'WSJT software dev

Re: [wsjt-devel] FT8 ghost signals

2019-07-07 Thread DX Jami via wsjt-devel
Rich, I hear what you say about the Doppler effect, and I recall our conversations on HF about it.  I do not challenge the theory and facts behind the Doppler effect, but I believe there is more to the propagational phenomena we attribute to the Doppler effect.  Being one who often challenges c

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT Audio Input Loss

2019-07-07 Thread Black Michael via wsjt-devel
Were you operating at the time? That message is not a failure...it shows an audio catchup due to delayed audio input which is suspicious as normally you shouldn't see that happen.  So the question is if the wave file got saved for that time period. Each file name has the date/time encoded in it. 

Re: [wsjt-devel] Request for FT8 and FT4 Logs

2019-07-07 Thread Claude Frantz
On 7/7/19 12:40 PM, Gary Rogers wrote: P49X2019052822390022390014.08143614.08143620m20mFT4-05FT8  Sent: -14  Rcvd: -18FK52al30313FT8  Sent: -14  Rcvd: -18EdPos911P49SA91ArubaFM19ma00KO3FKO3FY Do you think that QSLMSG, A_INDEX, K_INDEX, SFI have a reasonable value ? In my opinion

Re: [wsjt-devel] Request for FT8 and FT4 Logs

2019-07-07 Thread Gary Rogers
Hi Ed, is this what you need? P49X2019052822390022390014.08143614.08143620m20mFT4-05FT8 Sent: -14 Rcvd: -18FK52al30313FT8 Sent: -14 Rcvd: -18EdPos911P49SA91ArubaFM19ma00KO3FKO3FY Let me know if you need anything else…73 Gary KO3F > On Jul 6, 2019, at 6:55 PM, Ed Muns wrote: > >

Re: [wsjt-devel] FT8 ghost signals

2019-07-07 Thread Martin Davies G0HDB
On 6 Jul 2019 at 16:06, Rich Zwirko - K1HTV wrote: > Here in the Mid-Atlantic, a number of 6 Meter FT8 DXers have observed > backscatter signals that appear as a 2nd or even a 3rd signal on the WSJT-X > Wide Graph window. The Doppler shifted frequency is usually lower than the > direct signal. In

Re: [wsjt-devel] WSJT Audio Input Loss

2019-07-07 Thread Hasan al-Basri
OK, Mike; it failed at 054430 last night: 054430 -9 -0.1 1767 ~ EA4LU WA2VCQ EL87 40.463 dataSink1 33/50, k=114048, dT=3ms, catchup Test Run Stared (timestamp of first saved file) on: 07/05/2019 @ 0956 the last decode I have in save file is timestamped: 07/07/2019 0200 Curiously,there i

Re: [wsjt-devel] FT8 ghost signals

2019-07-07 Thread Reino Talarmo
Hi All, Perhaps this a wrong forum, but still I like to ask how you explain ghost signals with varying frequency offset? Do you have both a direct signal and an ES reflection from a moving cloud? 73, Reino oh3ma ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel