Re: Batis - XDG-based packaging for Linux desktop apps

2015-11-20 Thread Thomas Kluyver
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015, at 09:01 PM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: > Currently, the security model of Linux systems is "distro verifies > security and adds to their own repo", with, of course, the step of > "user trusts distro". > > The security model of Batis seems to be "user trusts application > devel

Re: Batis - XDG-based packaging for Linux desktop apps

2015-11-20 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2015-11-20 at 13:02 -0800, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: > Oh, and the one being built by KDE is Limba: > > http://people.freedesktop.org/~mak/limba/ Matthias (from limba) and Alex (xdg-app) seem to be speaking together regularly, FWIW. ___ xdg maili

Re: Batis - XDG-based packaging for Linux desktop apps

2015-11-20 Thread Jerome Leclanche
On 20 November 2015 at 22:54, Thomas Kluyver wrote: > > Also, I'm not sure the Linux desktop has much of a future unless the > situation improves sooner. The number of Linux desktop users I know is > dwindling as they convert to Mac. Programming conferences, even where > open source software plays

Re: Batis - XDG-based packaging for Linux desktop apps

2015-11-20 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
Oh, and the one being built by KDE is Limba: http://people.freedesktop.org/~mak/limba/ On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: > Currently, the security model of Linux systems is "distro verifies > security and adds to their own repo", with, of course, the step of > "user trust

Re: Batis - XDG-based packaging for Linux desktop apps

2015-11-20 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
Currently, the security model of Linux systems is "distro verifies security and adds to their own repo", with, of course, the step of "user trusts distro". The security model of Batis seems to be "user trusts application developer" The security model of xdg-app is "user trusts the sandbox mechani

Re: Batis - XDG-based packaging for Linux desktop apps

2015-11-20 Thread Thomas Kluyver
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015, at 08:09 PM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: > I'm worried. We have xdg-app, we have batis, and I learned that the > KDE people are working on their own thing as well. I haven't heard about the KDE project in this space - is there any website for that? I have looked at xdg-app befo

Re: Batis - XDG-based packaging for Linux desktop apps

2015-11-20 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2015-11-20 at 19:30 +, Thomas Kluyver wrote: > > - Keeps it simple: Batis packages are based on prosaic things like > tar > and json - no fancy filesystem features or container technologies. It > should be easy for a developer to to understand what Batis does, as > well > as how to use

Re: Batis - XDG-based packaging for Linux desktop apps

2015-11-20 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
I'm worried. We have xdg-app, we have batis, and I learned that the KDE people are working on their own thing as well. The goal of all of these projects is to unify and stop fragmentation, but yet we can't agree on one. I know that this isn't going to be solved, because it's difficult to agree on

Batis - XDG-based packaging for Linux desktop apps

2015-11-20 Thread Thomas Kluyver
Nearly a year ago, I posted to this list about the need for a better way to distribute and install desktop applications [1]. There was some interesting discussion, and people pointed out some existing alternatives. But I remained convinced that something else was needed. I've been thinking about t