Re: desktop entry proposal: TerminateSafe=true key

2010-05-09 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 05/07/2010 10:53 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > If this is added to the .desktop files too, then I'd however suggest to > follow the oom_adj semantics closely, and make the field a nice-like > value instead of a boolean. And it might be an idea to prefix this with > X- or so, because then it be

Re: _NET_WM_STATE

2009-10-28 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 10/28/2009 05:16 AM, Fabien Meghazi wrote: > Hi all, > > It seems that at least one atom should be added to the list of _NET_WM_STATE > > Namely : _NET_WM_STATE_MINIMIZED > > See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wmctrl/+bug/260875 > > I guess a _NET_WM_STATE_ICONIFIED would be welc

Re: App Bundles

2009-08-27 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 08/27/2009 06:12 AM, André Gillibert wrote: > "Brian J. Tarricone" wrote: > >> If Foo-app looks for its plugins in $XDG_PLUGIN_DIRS/foo-app, and >> Bar-app looks for its plugins in $XDG_PLUGIN_DIRS/bar-app, then there >> can never be any conflict, even if

Re: App Bundles

2009-08-27 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 08/27/2009 02:19 AM, André Gillibert wrote: > "Brian J. Tarricone" wrote: > >> LD_LIBRARY_PATH isn't so useful since it rarely contains the entire >> library search path, and is often empty. On my system, /etc/ld.so.conf >> contains 10 paths in i

Re: App Bundles

2009-08-26 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 08/26/2009 05:30 PM, Stephen Paul Weber wrote: though I guess >> it's already incompatible since Mac app bundles use the .icns format, >> which I doubt gtk or qt support natively. > > MacOS actually supports formats besides icns for the app icon. Ah, nice, didn't know that. Do they support S

Re: App Bundles

2009-08-26 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 08/26/2009 03:25 PM, Stephen Paul Weber wrote: > In some contexts, app bundles (where all files for an application live in > some folder, like on MacOS) are useful. I've been thinking recently about > an app bundle layout that is based on freedesktop specs and also not > gratutitously different

Re: [desktop entry spec] new WM_CLASS key

2009-08-23 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 08/23/2009 12:54 PM, Aleksey Shaferov wrote: > I propose to add a new key to .desktop-files. > Please add WM_CLASS key! You mean like StartupWMClass? See http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s05.html Unfortunately most apps don't fill this in since it's usually not

Re: [desktop entry spec] new FullName key

2009-08-09 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 08/09/2009 11:46 AM, Francois Gouget wrote: > William Jon McCann a écrit : > [...] >> Also, if we were to use parenthesis in English (and I don't think we >> should) we would want it to read "Ephiphany (Web Browser)". > > So, stepping back just a bit, wouldn't it be pretty ugly if the Start >

Re: Problems with NoDisplay and menu editors

2009-08-05 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 08/05/2009 03:25 PM, David Faure wrote: > On Sunday 12 July 2009, Brian J. Tarricone wrote: >> On 2009/05/11 06:00, Travis Watkins wrote: >>> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 5:50 AM, David Faure wrote: >>>> On Monday 04 May 2009, Travis Watkins wrote: >>>>>

Re: [desktop entry spec] new FullName key

2009-07-21 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 07/21/2009 08:20 AM, Frederic Peters wrote: [...] > It would already be possible if Name and GenericName were used in a > consistent way, but as we put whatever we wanted to be displayed in > the menu in Name, we find ourselves with the Name embedding the > GenericName, such as: >Name=Brase

Re: power manager / session manager interaction

2009-07-20 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 07/17/2009 05:14 AM, Oswald Buddenhagen wrote: > hi, > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 01:20:15AM -0700, Brian J. Tarricone wrote: >> Is there a recommended best practice for how the power manager and >> session manager should interact during session end? Are there ot

power manager / session manager interaction

2009-07-17 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Hi all, Not sure if this is the best place for a discussion about this, but it relates to cross-desktop standards, so... here goes. Currently xfce4-session is capable of (upon request) shutting down, rebooting, suspending, and hibernating the system (the first two through HAL or a sudo-based h

Re: basedir spec and plugins

2009-07-15 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 07/15/2009 04:52 AM, stefan.k...@nokia.com wrote: > > I like > "XDG_LIB_HOME will default to $HOME/.local/lib/$ARCH_OS_ABI_STRING/ > more as this allows the distro/admin to set it up and developers can just put > a binary there. > > If we go for XDG_LIBROOT_HOME, we'll have to define $ARCH_OS_A

Re: Problems with NoDisplay and menu editors

2009-07-11 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 2009/05/11 06:00, Travis Watkins wrote: > On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 5:50 AM, David Faure wrote: >> On Monday 04 May 2009, Travis Watkins wrote: >>> Personally I'd rather go with the change to the meaning of >>> Hidden as it makes the most sense to me (Hidden means it is hidden in the >>> menu) >

Re: freedesktop.org specification process

2009-07-10 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 2009/07/10 00:42, Cornelius Schumacher wrote: > On Friday 10 July 2009 01:38:45 Jannis Pohlmann wrote: >> Release teams ... I still don't agree with that ;) > > The rationale for having the release teams as the point of contact is that > they already decide about dependencies of their software,

Re: Summary of the fdo disussion at GCDS

2009-07-10 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 2009/07/10 03:29, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 01:13:59AM +0200, Jannis Pohlmann wrote: >> Hopefully, the degree of participation in fd.o discussions will >> increase (I think it already has improved a lot over the past weeks), >> but I fear that with only two projects having th

Re: Fwd: Summary of the fdo disussion at GCDS

2009-07-08 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 2009/07/08 17:20, Daniel Bo wrote: > > Making KDE and Gnome the gatekeepers for specs will bring the same > problems to the table that having the Security Council in the U.N. > does. Giving voting rights to only two projects (and codifying that) > seems like a death sentence to FD.o. It immediat

Re: basedir spec and plugins

2009-06-30 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 2009/06/30 14:11, Thiago Macieira wrote: > Simon McVittie wrote: >> On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 at 04:08:26 -0300, Thiago Macieira wrote: >>> We'll need an architecture key, which is composed by the host OS plus >>> at least the processor main type. >> Multiarch http://lackof.org/taggart/hacking/multiar

Re: basedir spec and plugins

2009-06-30 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 2009/06/30 14:22, Thiago Macieira wrote: > Brian J. Tarricone wrote: >> On 2009/06/30 00:08, Thiago Macieira wrote: >>> What's more, to be suitable for C++, we may need to encode the C++ ABI >>> for architectures where more than one C++ compiler are commo

Re: basedir spec and plugins

2009-06-30 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 2009/06/30 00:08, Thiago Macieira wrote: > What's more, to be suitable for C++, we may need to encode the C++ ABI for > architectures where more than one C++ compiler are common (which is just > about every platform except the free ones). But we can have that as a > subtype. Is this necessary?

Re: Notification spec issue: Ability to assign an icon *and* an image to a notification

2009-06-27 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 2009/06/26 18:05, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Friday 26 June 2009, Brian J. Tarricone wrote: >> I'm honestly not trying to be inflammatory here; I'm just trying to >> understand *specifically* what it is that you can't do with the existing > > in a nutshell:

Re: Notification spec issue: Ability to assign an icon *and* an image to a notification

2009-06-26 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 2009/06/26 07:19, Olivier Goffart wrote: > Le Thursday 25 June 2009, Brian J. Tarricone a écrit : >> On 06/25/2009 06:35 AM, Lubos Lunak wrote: >>>I do. I see it as wrong that I would not be able to tell the KDE >>> implementation that I'm not interested

improving fd.o transparency and spec process documentation (was Re: Notification spec issue: Ability to assign an icon *and* an image to a notification)

2009-06-25 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 06/25/2009 01:49 PM, Brian J. Tarricone wrote: > But I don't really know how to fix that. You mentioned elsewhere about > being able to track and record consensus -- I think that's important. > What tools exist to do that? Is it necessary that it be a very formal > p

Re: Notification spec issue: Ability to assign an icon *and* an image to a notification

2009-06-25 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 06/25/2009 02:18 PM, Jeff Mitchell wrote: > Well, from various existing software examples: > > Visual Obviously the current spec handles this. Canonical's extensions to display things like volume levels is useful, but still works within the confines of the current spec, with extensions. > A

Re: Notification spec issue: Ability to assign an icon *and* an image to a notification

2009-06-25 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 06/25/2009 12:52 PM, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > c) this particular request actually has a very real purpose behind it: it's > confusing naming, and some of us would like to see a full notifications > specification landed at some point that includes not just visual notifications Could you explain

Re: Notification spec issue: Ability to assign an icon *and* an image to a notification

2009-06-25 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 06/25/2009 01:53 PM, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > fd.o has control put into place in all the wrong places. > > people should be free and encouraged to host drafts and experimental work > somewhere we can all get to them. > > it should be an additional set of steps to go from that to being an agreed

Re: Notification spec issue: Ability to assign an icon *and* an image to a notification

2009-06-25 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 06/25/2009 01:27 PM, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Thursday 25 June 2009, Brian J. Tarricone wrote: >> Thank you -- that's exactly how I feel like this conversation is going. >>As a notifications daemon implementer, I *really* don't appreciate >> being told &quo

Re: Notification spec issue: Ability to assign an icon *and* an image to a notification

2009-06-25 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 06/25/2009 12:46 PM, Jeff Mitchell wrote: > Brian J. Tarricone wrote: >>>"Breaking five years' worth of software" is not really an honest >>> statement either, unless you're talking about five years of unmaintained >>> software (consideri

Re: Notification spec issue: Ability to assign an icon *and* an image to a notification

2009-06-25 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 06/25/2009 12:11 PM, Jeff Mitchell wrote: > Brian J. Tarricone wrote: >>> The question is what's more important to you: is it backwards compatibility, >>> or is it equal treatment for all parties with all the community >>> implications? >> Backwards-co

Re: Notification spec issue: Ability to assign an icon *and* an image to a notification

2009-06-25 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 06/25/2009 12:00 PM, Jeff Mitchell wrote: > Brian J. Tarricone wrote: >> Thank you -- that's exactly how I feel like this conversation is going. >>As a notifications daemon implementer, I *really* don't appreciate >> being told "hey, just becau

Re: Notification spec issue: Ability to assign an icon *and* an image to a notification

2009-06-25 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 06/25/2009 06:35 AM, Lubos Lunak wrote: > I do. I see it as wrong that I would not be able to tell the KDE > implementation that I'm not interested in any bubbles from FooApp that > happens to annoy me with them all the time. Why can't you do this today? The org.freedesktop.Notifications.No

Re: Notification spec issue: Ability to assign an icon *and* an image to a notification

2009-06-25 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 06/25/2009 05:08 AM, Jakob Petsovits wrote: > I don't see a push for "punishment", rather the push for not using the > org.freedesktop namespace for stuff where no consensus has been reached. Sorry, but any time someone makes more work for me for no good *practical* reason, it sure feels like

Re: Notification spec issue: Ability to assign an icon *and* an image to a notification

2009-06-25 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 06/25/2009 03:22 AM, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:23 PM, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: >> On Wednesday 24 June 2009, you wrote: >>> What's wrong with keeping the current fd.o prefix if implementations >>> are compatile? >> what "wrong" is that fd.o is a shared namespace. you can

Re: Notification spec issue: Ability to assign an icon *and* an image to a notification

2009-06-25 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 06/25/2009 08:33 AM, Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > Lubos Lunak wrote: > >> To save us from more work, of course. If this was done properly in the >> first >> place, we wouldn't need this discussion now. If you want to know some of the >> reasons in more detail, please just see this thread. > > Don

Re: Starting discussion on a new version of the notification spec

2009-06-15 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
William Jon McCann wrote: > Hey, > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Brian J. Tarricone wrote: >> On 06/15/2009 08:10 AM, William Jon McCann wrote: >> >>> Do you have a specific response to the problems that they describe at >>> the

Re: Starting discussion on a new version of the notification spec

2009-06-15 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 06/15/2009 08:10 AM, William Jon McCann wrote: > Do you have a specific response to the problems that they describe at > the following? > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDevelopmentGuidelines#Avoiding%20actions > > I'd be very interested to see it. I think that rationale is fairly > compel

Re: Notification spec issue: Ability to assign an icon *and* an image to a notification

2009-06-13 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 06/13/2009 05:12 PM, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Saturday 13 June 2009, Brian J. Tarricone wrote: >> I'd say might as well throw in the image format as well. It's a tiny >> extra bit of information, and it's not a big burden to require it from >> the

Re: Notification spec issue: Ability to assign an icon *and* an image to a notification

2009-06-13 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 06/13/2009 02:56 PM, Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > A. Walton wrote: >> The problem with this is that it destroys the backward compatibility >> of the spec. Hints are better for a change like this; they're Hints. > > Actually that's a question we should ask ourself: should we work at > defining a new

Re: Starting discussion on a new version of the notification spec

2009-06-13 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 06/13/2009 03:11 PM, Christian Hammond wrote: > On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Brian J. Tarriconewrote: > >> Might be a little OT for xdg-list, but: would you be interested in >> adding support to libnotify (or accepting a patch) to query for the >> 'actions' capability, and if the daemon does

Re: Starting discussion on a new version of the notification spec

2009-06-13 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 06/13/2009 03:04 PM, Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > What I wanted to say is that I read a lot of discussions on that issue > and I learned nothing positive ever come out of those, so I'd rather > talk about icons, markup and other things instead. I suppose that's fair. > The spec says actions are o

Re: Starting discussion on a new version of the notification spec

2009-06-13 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 06/13/2009 02:26 PM, Christian Hammond wrote: > They know my stance on this one. Upstream libnotify and notification-daemon > will always support actions. Might be a little OT for xdg-list, but: would you be interested in adding support to libnotify (or accepting a patch) to query for the 'ac

Re: Starting discussion on a new version of the notification spec

2009-06-13 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 06/13/2009 02:18 PM, Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > Brian J. Tarricone wrote: >> 1. Passive vs. active notifications. I recall that notify-osd >> unilaterally decided that the 'actions' bit of the spec was Bad[tm] and >> that notifications should be entirely pass

Re: Starting discussion on a new version of the notification spec

2009-06-12 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Aurélien Gâteau wrote: > We want to work with upstream developers to find > an agreement so that applications can display notifications in a > consistent way, regardless of which toolkit has been used. Sounds great! FYI, I work on Xfce, and I'm the author/maintainer of xfce4-notifyd. > # Other

Re: [New] Desktop Preferred Applications Specification

2009-06-08 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 06/06/2009 10:52 PM, PCMan wrote: [...] > Here is the full specification. > http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Desktop_Preferred_Applications_Specification Aside from other objections raised, I see a problem with your terminal handling. You suggest specifying something like this in the .desktop file: E

Re: mime types and video/audio files (was Re: Review of the thumbnailer spec)

2009-05-19 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
A. Walton wrote: > Just as a note, this is precisely the rationale behind "Uniform Type > Identifiers", which support multiple inheritance and uses the > currently-in-vogue reverse DNS naming scheme (e.g. you can have types > like "com.my-media-encoder-company.complex-video-type" conform to > org.

mime types and video/audio files (was Re: Review of the thumbnailer spec)

2009-05-19 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Philip Van Hoof wrote: > In fact is it even worse for video thumbnailers, as the great guys of > the many multimedia frameworks and codecs decided to have types inside > of container MIME types. Making MIME mostly irrelevant for videos. > > Thanks guys. For majorly messing things up once more in

Re: Please standardize Screen saver DBus interfaces

2009-05-15 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Patryk Zawadzki wrote: > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Brian J. Tarricone wrote: >> Further... you *don't* want a media player (etc.) calling Inhibit on the >> power manager. You want to tell the screen saver to stay out of the way >> for a while, but if th

Re: Please standardize Screen saver DBus interfaces

2009-05-15 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On 05/15/2009 12:33 AM, Ali Abdallah wrote: > Patryk Zawadzki wrote: >> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Ali Abdallah wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> It seems that the screen saver interfaces and bus name are not standard >>> yet! however i see this very important, since a media player shouldn't >>> gue

Re: Review of the thumbnailer spec

2009-05-14 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Jannis Pohlmann wrote: > This is exactly what e.g. file managers need though. Just imagine a > file manager enters a directory, queues all its files for thumbnailing > and then switches the directory before all files are processed by the > thumbnailer. So IMHO it should be pointed out more clear

Re: XDG Icon Spec: requesting new icons for headsets, speakers, headphones

2009-05-14 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Rodney Dawes wrote: > On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 11:55 -0700, Brian J. Tarricone wrote: > No. I never actually denied these icons, or specifically stated they > were a bad idea. I asked questions about how they would be used, and > what they are, and how to organize them, and to get oth

Re: XDG Icon Spec: requesting new icons for headsets, speakers, headphones

2009-05-14 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Rodney Dawes wrote: > On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 11:25 +0300, Marius Vollmer wrote: >> True, but what might work is to have a second "Extra Icons" spec that >> works together with the base icon spec. >> >> This "Extra Icon" spec would, by design, have the same goals as the base >> spec, but would be mai

Re: KNotificationAreaItem

2009-04-28 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Lubos Lunak wrote: > On Monday 20 of April 2009, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: >> hi :) >> >> there are several limitations inherent to the current xembed based system >> tray protocol, including: > > There are more problems with the systray than just technical problems, as > the > systray is rather br

Re: Why .local/share ?

2008-11-12 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:10:33 -0500 Liam R E Quin wrote: > On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 12:01 -0800, Brian J. Tarricone wrote: > > Liam R E Quin wrote: > > > > You don't want lib or bin in there either -- my login directory > > > is on a network drive and can b

Re: Why .local/share ?

2008-11-11 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Liam R E Quin wrote: > On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 11:16 -0800, Brian J. Tarricone wrote: > [...] > >> That was actually my first thought after reading this thread, but then I >> realised that, if it's somewhat intended for ~/.local to be a place >> where users can i

Re: Why .local/share ?

2008-11-10 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Thiago Macieira wrote: > Brian J. Tarricone wrote: >> Thiago Macieira wrote: >>> As for a lib, I very much agree that there should be a directory. In >>> fact, I've recently started using ~/.local/bin for my own executables >>> instead of ~/bin. That allo

Re: Why .local/share ?

2008-11-10 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Rodney Dawes wrote: > On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 11:30 +0100, Thiago Macieira wrote: >> Orion White wrote: >>> Hi-- >>> >>> I've begun to use the XDG base directory standard for my projects, and I >>> am very happy with it. >>> >>> However, I do not understand the rational behind .local/share. I have >>

Re: Why .local/share ?

2008-11-10 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Thiago Macieira wrote: > As for a lib, I very much agree that there should be a directory. In fact, > I've recently started using ~/.local/bin for my own executables instead of > ~/bin. That allows me to keep my $HOME clean. But I don't think an > environment > variable will be of much use unl

Re: Specifying thumbnailers as a service

2008-09-01 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 00:09:53 +0200 Philip Van Hoof wrote: > On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 09:53 -0700, Brian J. Tarricone wrote: > > On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:49:31 +0200 Philip Van Hoof wrote: > > > > I think canceling is overkill. Making a thumbnail doesn't take > > >

Re: Specifying thumbnailers as a service

2008-09-01 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:49:31 +0200 Philip Van Hoof wrote: > I think canceling is overkill. Making a thumbnail doesn't take longer > than a minute (and a minute is an extreme case). Users don't cancel > that. Strongly disagree. I have a laptop, and say I'm on battery power. If I'm scrolling thro

Re: Specifying thumbnailers as a service

2008-08-29 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Philip Van Hoof wrote: > On Fri, 2008-08-29 at 11:22 +0100, Rob Taylor wrote: > >> I wonder if it'd make sense to allow multiple services to provide >> thumbnailing for different mime types. This could be done by having the >> thumbnailing service(s) register bus names of the form >> org.freede

Re: Can extensions such as "Composite" be loaded/unloaded w/o restarting X?

2008-08-25 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 01:07:48 +0200 Tomas Carnecky wrote: > ben chang wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm pretty sure the answer is "No", but I thought I'd ask > > anyway :) Two reasons why I'm interested : > > > > one, naturally it's always pleasant when you can reconfigure as > > much as possible witho

Re: Trash Spec Idea

2008-08-15 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Andrea Francia wrote: > The "cifs" filesystem is marked "nodev" in /proc/filesystems, I think > the TrashCan should works also on this filesystem. I wonder if also the > 'nfs' has the nodev attribute > > I think that there's no correlation with 'nodev' attribute and the > suitability of have the

Re: Trash Spec Idea

2008-08-13 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
João Valverde wrote: > I think another approach is needed. This information needs to be > centralized somewhere. My suggestion is (following the spirit of the > current spec) to create some metadata *.trashcan files in > $XDG_DATA_HOME/Trash that would describe every other partition's > trashc

Re: menu-spec URL entries

2008-08-12 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 08:02:43 +0200 Damjan Jovanovic wrote: > > The workaround seems to be to make a Type=Application entry that > launches firefox, and make the URL an argument to firefox - but that > introduces a dependency on firefox, ignores the desktop's default > browser setting, and generall

Re: xdg base dir spec

2008-07-02 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 22:34:45 +0200 Kees Scherpenhuijzen wrote: > Just to make sure; > >> And a common question: when i try to echo some of these variables > >> it returns a empty line. Does this mean it will take the default? > > > >No. If you're using libxfce4util (I think Thunar may link to it >

Re: xdg base dir spec

2008-07-02 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Kees Scherpenhuijzen wrote: > Hey, > > I'm working on a project to add actions to an > plugin(http://thunar.xfce.org/pwiki/projects/thunar-actions-plugin). > Now i'm trying to make an feature which can read/parse the .desktop > files(which contains the actions). > But i'm stuck at the question whe

Re: Desktop Entry Standard: Path key

2008-06-30 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:44:43 +0200 Vincent Untz wrote: > Le jeudi 26 juin 2008, à 10:53 -0700, Brian J. Tarricone a écrit : > > David Faure wrote: > > > http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164068 brings me to posting > > > this mail here. > > > > > >

Re: Desktop Entry Standard: Path key

2008-06-26 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
David Faure wrote: > http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164068 brings me to posting this mail > here. > > As far as I can see there is no support for expanding environment variables > in the desktop entry standard? > This is a problem for the "roaming user" feature: a user should be able to >

Re: Commit notifications for specs

2008-04-30 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Rodrigo Moya wrote: > On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 10:48 -0700, Brian J. Tarricone wrote: >> Emmanuele Bassi wrote: >> >>> at one point we must realize the fact that GNOME and KDE are built on >>> two very different platforms; sharing specifications is possible - even

Re: Commit notifications for specs

2008-04-30 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Emmanuele Bassi wrote: > at one point we must realize the fact that GNOME and KDE are built on > two very different platforms; sharing specifications is possible - even > welcomed, but sharing API is only possible at a very low level. Thank you! Hearing someone actually say this is like a breath

Re: desktop neutral xsettings manager?

2008-04-24 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:05:14 +0800 洪任諭 wrote: > Besides, some standard names of config values should be defined. > GTK+ currently use something like Gtk/FontName to specify its font. > So, it's impossible that KDE will use this. True. > Besides, Net/Theme is also problematic since there aren't m

Re: desktop neutral xsettings manager?

2008-04-24 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:03:54 -0400 Rodney Dawes wrote: > Sure we can. The only issue is that we need a cross-desktop > configuration solution also. Otherwise, you're going to need to > have the cross-desktop xsettings daemon read config values from > various places, and magically try to merge them

Re: desktop neutral xsettings manager?

2008-04-24 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:50:13 +0200 Patrice Dumas wrote: > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:21:39AM -0700, Brian J. Tarricone wrote: > > > > Well, actually it currently depends on libxfce4util as well, but > > just for a couple convenience functions that could be easily > &

Re: desktop neutral xsettings manager?

2008-04-24 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:59:25 +0200 Stephan Arts wrote: > 2008/4/23 洪任諭 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > 2008/4/23 Rodney Dawes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > > > On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 22:49 +0800, 洪任諭 wrote: > > > > No, lxsession and lxsession-lite don't do that. > > > > lxde-settings, however, ma

Re: xdg-utils replacement (Was: Re: Proposal: Inharitance for Desktop Entry Spec)

2008-04-17 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Vincent Untz wrote: > Le jeudi 17 avril 2008, à 12:11 -0700, Brian J. Tarricone a écrit : >> >> Maybe some sort of XDG DBus service that can handle much of the >> functionality that xdg-utils handles. Like xdg-open could be replaced >> by a dbus method, and I imagine

xdg-utils replacement (Was: Re: Proposal: Inharitance for Desktop Entry Spec)

2008-04-17 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
洪任諭 wrote: > Brian J Tarricone wrote: > >> 洪任諭 wrote: >> >>> However, the xdg-utils way has a serious drawback: >>> Currently xdg-utils only recognize gnome/kde/xfce. >>> There are much more different environments then these three, and the &g

Re: Proposal: Inharitance for Desktop Entry Spec

2008-04-17 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
洪任諭 wrote: > However, the xdg-utils way has a serious drawback: > Currently xdg-utils only recognize gnome/kde/xfce. > There are much more different environments then these three, and the > number is still growing... Then those desktop environments should add support to xdg-utils for their envir

Re: Proposal: Inharitance for Desktop Entry Spec

2008-04-17 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Dan Winship wrote: > Vincent Untz wrote: >> Yeah, I've been hit by this in the past too. I believe it was already >> (at least partly) discussed, when talking about the autostart >> specification. Can't find the thread, though. > > See the autostart-related threads in > http://lists.freedesktop.or

Re: request for a GPE Registered Category

2008-04-16 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Stanislav Brabec wrote: > Off topic: Why ROX and XFCE are registered only for OnlyShowIn and not > for Categories? Is it a mistake or intention? No idea about intentions, but we usually just put 'X-XFCE' in our .desktop files... to my knowledge our menu system is the only one matching off that k

Re: User bus?

2008-02-15 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Havoc Pennington wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Brian J. Tarricone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> This somewhat highlights what IMHO is one of the worst things about >> dbus: its reliance on environment variables to tell clients how to >> con

Re: User bus?

2008-02-15 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Patryk Zawadzki wrote: > On Feb 16, 2008 3:48 AM, Brian J. Tarricone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Patryk Zawadzki wrote: >> See 'man dbus-launch', specifically the --exit-with-session option. >> That should cause the session daemon to quit if X exits. > &g

Re: User bus?

2008-02-15 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Patryk Zawadzki wrote: > On Feb 16, 2008 2:28 AM, Brian J. Tarricone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Patryk Zawadzki wrote: >>> Would it make sense to have a per-user bus aside from the session bus? >> The session bus *is* per-user. Well, assuming the user is on

Re: User bus?

2008-02-15 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Patryk Zawadzki wrote: > Would it make sense to have a per-user bus aside from the session bus? The session bus *is* per-user. Well, assuming the user is only logged in once, which is probably a safe assumption, no? The desktop environment/X init script/whatever is responsible for starting it

Re: [Fwd: Re: shared trash directories in the trash spec]

2008-02-07 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Alexander Larsson wrote: > On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 10:29 -0800, Brian J. Tarricone wrote: > >>> This is all pretty bad, and the current solution to this in both KDE4 >>> and gnome (gio) is that trash to FAT/NTFS partitions is not allowed. >> Why is this a big deal?

Re: shared trash directories in the trash spec

2008-02-06 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Alexander Larsson wrote: > There are some issues with using the trash spec on FAT and NTFS systems. > These filesystems don't support storing UIDs, nor does it support the > sticky bit. Instead, the way they are generally mounted in a writable > way under unix is: > > a) All files are owned by the

Re: locale specific for .desktop

2007-10-19 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Takao Fujiwara - Tokyo S/W Center wrote: > You're right. I think I can provide the tentative patch in the shor term > however actually I expect it takes much time for the modification to be > applied in Desktop Entry. > I cannot break the specification but need to resolve this issue. There's no

Re: using dbus in the platform

2007-10-18 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Alp Toker wrote: > > I think you might have joined this discussion from the wrong angle. > There is no real debate that using D-Bus makes sense for traditional > desktop environments. NDesk, another GTK+ desktop environment, > implements dozens of Freedestkop standards, including several fdo D-

Re: locale specific for .desktop

2007-10-18 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:55:11 +0900 Takao Fujiwara - Tokyo S/W Center wrote: > > Brian J. Tarricone wrote: > > I guess I still don't understand why this is necessary. If a user > > installs a piece of software that installs a .desktop file, my > > feeling here is tha

Re: locale specific for .desktop

2007-10-17 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Takao Fujiwara - Tokyo S/W Center wrote: > How about a new "%l" since Exec line supports some field codes? Why? If the application launching the app in the Exec line knows what $LANG is, then the application that gets launched knows too, and can figure out what to do based on $LANG; there's no

Re: Define standard hunspell dict location

2007-10-09 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Dominic Lachowicz wrote: > 2) Install a "hunspell" program in $PATH that returns a path when > something like "--dictionary-directory" is specified. Aspell does > something similar. Or, preferably, a pkg-config file, e.g., 'pkg-config --variable=dictdir hunspell'. -brian ___

Re: emblem-symbolic-link

2007-07-16 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
James Richard Tyrer wrote: > Brian J. Tarricone wrote: > >> Not to sound flippant or dismissive, but... who cares? > > You do sound flippant and dismissive. :-D Being flippant and dismissive would have been saying "who cares" and leaving it at that ^_~. >> I

Re: emblem-symbolic-link

2007-07-16 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
Jakob Petsovits wrote: > On Monday, 16. July 2007, Brian J. Tarricone wrote: >> James Richard Tyrer wrote: >>> This: "emblem-symbolic-link" appears to be another issue. >>> >>> I think that this should be: >>> >>> emblem-link-s

Re: emblem-symbolic-link

2007-07-15 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
James Richard Tyrer wrote: > This: "emblem-symbolic-link" appears to be another issue. > > I think that this should be: > > emblem-link-symbolic > > or it could be: > > emblem-symbolic_link > > but there is no way that "link" is a member of "symbolic". OTOH, there > are multiple

Re: Icon theme spec & inheritance

2007-06-18 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:27:57 +0200 Oswald Buddenhagen wrote: >On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 12:15:11PM -0500, Shaun McCance wrote: >> On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 17:35 +0200, Oswald Buddenhagen wrote: >> > - private application icons >> > - to be able to theme the app's private icons, the app needs to >> >

Re: Icon theme spec & inheritance

2007-06-18 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:15:11 -0500 Shaun McCance wrote: >On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 17:35 +0200, Oswald Buddenhagen wrote: >> - application menu icons >> - consensus seems to be that every application *has* to ship a >> hicolor icon. yes, even if it is part of a desktop's core module. an >> appli

Re: org.freedesktop.PowerManagement

2007-03-30 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 00:34:32 +0200 Lubos Lunak wrote: >On pá 30. března 2007, Brian J. Tarricone wrote: >> On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:19:26 +0200 Lubos Lunak wrote: >> > I thought supporting an opinion did not require one to repeat it, >> > but if you >> >want: Shu

Re: org.freedesktop.PowerManagement

2007-03-30 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:19:26 +0200 Lubos Lunak wrote: > I thought supporting an opinion did not require one to repeat it, but > if you >want: Shutdown/Reboot are basic functionality but power management >features are an add-on that not everybody may be interested in having >(see above for my feed

Re: Base directory specification

2007-03-26 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:12:12 +0200 Sanel Zukan wrote: >Hi to all, > >I am currently implementing Base directory specification for EDE, >according to documentation located at: >http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-0.6.html > >There is stated: "If $XDG_DATA_HOME is either not s

Re: desktop entry spec TryExec key

2007-03-24 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:48:47 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: > Le samedi 24 mars 2007, à 10:21, Brian J. Tarricone a écrit : > > On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:18:21 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: > > > > > > Would this definition fix all the issues? > > > > > >

Re: desktop entry spec TryExec key

2007-03-24 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:18:21 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: > > Would this definition fix all the issues? > > "Path to an executable file on disk used to determine if the program > is actually installed. If the path is not an absolute path, the file > is looked up in the $PATH environment variable. I

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