Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH 3/3] Significant changes to decision making; some new roles and minor changes

2016-09-09 Thread Tim Deegan
At 11:56 + on 09 Sep (1473422177), Lars Kurth wrote: > Community Decisions with Funding and Legal Implications > (#funding-and-legal) > --- > > In some cases sub-project local and global decisions **may require > input** from the [Advisory Bo

Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH 3/3] Significant changes to decision making; some new roles and minor changes

2016-09-09 Thread Lars Kurth
On 16/08/2016 06:32, "Tim Deegan" wrote: >Hi, > >At 14:55 + on 15 Aug (1471272946), Lars Kurth wrote: >> But I see your point. The text should really have said something like... >> - >> In situations where the entire Xen Project community becomes paralysed, >> the project leaderships te

Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH 3/3] Significant changes to decision making; some new roles and minor changes

2016-09-06 Thread Lars Kurth
On 26/08/2016 10:51, "Wei Liu" wrote: >On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 03:35:38PM +0100, Lars Kurth wrote: >> >> >> On 26/08/2016 07:49, "Wei Liu" wrote: >> >> >On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 09:28:49AM +, Lars Kurth wrote: >> >> >> >> >> How about: >> >> >> +- Failed: Only **-1** or **0** votes by

Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH 3/3] Significant changes to decision making; some new roles and minor changes

2016-08-26 Thread Wei Liu
On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 03:35:38PM +0100, Lars Kurth wrote: > > > On 26/08/2016 07:49, "Wei Liu" wrote: > > >On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 09:28:49AM +, Lars Kurth wrote: > >> > >> > >> On 12/08/2016 14:01, "Jan Beulich" wrote: > >> > >> On 12.08.16 at 14:53, wrote: > >> >> On 12/08/201

Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH 3/3] Significant changes to decision making; some new roles and minor changes

2016-08-26 Thread Lars Kurth
On 26/08/2016 07:49, "Wei Liu" wrote: >On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 09:28:49AM +, Lars Kurth wrote: >> >> >> On 12/08/2016 14:01, "Jan Beulich" wrote: >> >> On 12.08.16 at 14:53, wrote: >> >> On 12/08/2016 13:41, "Jan Beulich" wrote: >> >> On 12.08.16 at 01:13, wrote: >> +##

Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH 3/3] Significant changes to decision making; some new roles and minor changes

2016-08-26 Thread Wei Liu
On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 12:13:46AM +0100, Lars Kurth wrote: [...] > +The table below maps active votes against votes needed to pass: > + > + --- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > + **Active Votes** 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 > + **+1 votes needed to pass**7

Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH 3/3] Significant changes to decision making; some new roles and minor changes

2016-08-26 Thread Wei Liu
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 09:28:49AM +, Lars Kurth wrote: > > > On 12/08/2016 14:01, "Jan Beulich" wrote: > > On 12.08.16 at 14:53, wrote: > >> On 12/08/2016 13:41, "Jan Beulich" wrote: > >> On 12.08.16 at 01:13, wrote: > +### Lazy Consensus {#lazyconsensus} > + > [s

Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH 3/3] Significant changes to decision making; some new roles and minor changes

2016-08-15 Thread Tim Deegan
Hi, At 14:55 + on 15 Aug (1471272946), Lars Kurth wrote: > But I see your point. The text should really have said something like... > - > In situations where the entire Xen Project community becomes paralysed, > the project leaderships team or project lead should work with the > community

Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH 3/3] Significant changes to decision making; some new roles and minor changes

2016-08-15 Thread Lars Kurth
Hi Tim, >At 00:13 +0100 on 12 Aug (1470960826), Lars Kurth wrote: >> +### Conflict Resolution {#conflict} >> + >> +Sub-projects and teams hosted on Xenproject.org are not democracies >>but >> +meritocracies. In situations where there is disagreement on issues >>related to >> +the day-to-day runn

Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH 3/3] Significant changes to decision making; some new roles and minor changes

2016-08-15 Thread Tim Deegan
Hi, At 00:13 +0100 on 12 Aug (1470960826), Lars Kurth wrote: > +### Conflict Resolution {#conflict} > + > +Sub-projects and teams hosted on Xenproject.org are not democracies but > +meritocracies. In situations where there is disagreement on issues related > to > +the day-to-day running of the

Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH 3/3] Significant changes to decision making; some new roles and minor changes

2016-08-13 Thread Lars Kurth
On 12/08/2016 14:01, "Jan Beulich" wrote: On 12.08.16 at 14:53, wrote: >> On 12/08/2016 13:41, "Jan Beulich" wrote: >> On 12.08.16 at 01:13, wrote: +### Lazy Consensus {#lazyconsensus} + [snip] + +Objections by stake-holders should be expressed using the

Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH 3/3] Significant changes to decision making; some new roles and minor changes

2016-08-12 Thread Stefano Stabellini
On Fri, 12 Aug 2016, Jan Beulich wrote: > > +Let me express this as an algorithm. > > + > > + treshhold=2/3; > > + active='number of active members'; (7 for the Hypervisor project; > > IanC is inactive) > > + favour='number of +1 and +2 votes' > > + against='number of -1 a

Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH 3/3] Significant changes to decision making; some new roles and minor changes

2016-08-12 Thread Jan Beulich
>>> On 12.08.16 at 14:53, wrote: > On 12/08/2016 13:41, "Jan Beulich" wrote: > On 12.08.16 at 01:13, wrote: >>> +### Lazy Consensus {#lazyconsensus} >>> + >>> +Lazy Consensus is a useful technique to make decisions for specific >>>proposals >>> +which are not covered by the Review Then Comm

Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH 3/3] Significant changes to decision making; some new roles and minor changes

2016-08-12 Thread Lars Kurth
On 12/08/2016 13:41, "Jan Beulich" wrote: On 12.08.16 at 01:13, wrote: >> +### Lazy Consensus {#lazyconsensus} >> + >> +Lazy Consensus is a useful technique to make decisions for specific >>proposals >> +which are not covered by the Review Then Commit Policy or do not >>require a more >

Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH 3/3] Significant changes to decision making; some new roles and minor changes

2016-08-12 Thread Jan Beulich
>>> On 12.08.16 at 01:13, wrote: > +### Lazy Consensus {#lazyconsensus} > + > +Lazy Consensus is a useful technique to make decisions for specific > proposals > +which are not covered by the Review Then Commit Policy or do not require a > more > +formal decison (see below). Lazy Consensus is e

[Xen-devel] [PATCH 3/3] Significant changes to decision making; some new roles and minor changes

2016-08-11 Thread Lars Kurth
Added RTC Policy Added +2 ... -2 scheme for votes Clarified lazy consensus Added Informal Votes/Surveys Added Project Team Leadership role and Decision making Changed Project Wide Decision making: per project based scheme Clarified scope of Decision making Modified sections which have dependencies