Re: [Xen-devel] [edk2] EDK II & GPL - Re: OVMF BoF @ KVM Forum 2015

2015-09-10 Thread Kevin Davis
> > > On 10/09/2015 16:24, Kevin Davis wrote: > > Further leading me to guess that any actual use of those > > implementations could lead to you actually needing to hire a real > > attorney and not one that you find on YouTube. > > The good thing is that attorneys have already figured it out. I

Re: [Xen-devel] [edk2] EDK II & GPL - Re: OVMF BoF @ KVM Forum 2015

2015-09-10 Thread Kevin Davis
> > > On Sep 10, 2015, at 4:40 AM, Alexander Graf wrote: > > > > > > > > On 10.09.15 12:04, Laszlo Ersek wrote: > >> On 09/10/15 08:19, Alexander Graf wrote: > >>> > >>> > Am 10.09.2015 um 07:32 schrieb Jordan Justen > : > >> > Laszlo's email raised the GPL question, but I was not sure

Re: [Xen-devel] [edk2] EDK II & GPL - Re: OVMF BoF @ KVM Forum 2015

2015-09-10 Thread Paolo Bonzini
On 10/09/2015 16:24, Kevin Davis wrote: > Further leading me to guess that any actual use of those > implementations could lead to you actually needing to hire a real > attorney and not one that you find on YouTube. The good thing is that attorneys have already figured it out. IBM figured out a

Re: [Xen-devel] [edk2] EDK II & GPL - Re: OVMF BoF @ KVM Forum 2015

2015-09-10 Thread Alexander Graf
> Am 10.09.2015 um 14:17 schrieb Andrew Fish : > > >> On Sep 10, 2015, at 4:40 AM, Alexander Graf wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 10.09.15 12:04, Laszlo Ersek wrote: On 09/10/15 08:19, Alexander Graf wrote: > Am 10.09.2015 um 07:32 schrieb Jordan Justen : >>> > Laszlo's ema

Re: [Xen-devel] [edk2] EDK II & GPL - Re: OVMF BoF @ KVM Forum 2015

2015-09-10 Thread Andrew Fish
> On Sep 10, 2015, at 4:40 AM, Alexander Graf wrote: > > > > On 10.09.15 12:04, Laszlo Ersek wrote: >> On 09/10/15 08:19, Alexander Graf wrote: >>> >>> Am 10.09.2015 um 07:32 schrieb Jordan Justen : >> Laszlo's email raised the GPL question, but I was not sure what the EDK II

Re: [Xen-devel] [edk2] EDK II & GPL - Re: OVMF BoF @ KVM Forum 2015

2015-09-10 Thread Alexander Graf
On 10.09.15 12:04, Laszlo Ersek wrote: > On 09/10/15 08:19, Alexander Graf wrote: >> >> >>> Am 10.09.2015 um 07:32 schrieb Jordan Justen : > >>> Laszlo's email raised the GPL question, but I was not sure what the >>> EDK II community would accept with regards to GPL. Thus ... I asked. I >>> gues

Re: [Xen-devel] [edk2] EDK II & GPL - Re: OVMF BoF @ KVM Forum 2015

2015-09-10 Thread Laszlo Ersek
On 09/10/15 08:19, Alexander Graf wrote: > > >> Am 10.09.2015 um 07:32 schrieb Jordan Justen : >> Laszlo's email raised the GPL question, but I was not sure what the >> EDK II community would accept with regards to GPL. Thus ... I asked. I >> guess I'm getting a better idea with regards to Apple

Re: [Xen-devel] [edk2] EDK II & GPL - Re: OVMF BoF @ KVM Forum 2015

2015-09-10 Thread Paolo Bonzini
On 10/09/2015 08:57, Sharma Bhupesh wrote: > So based on my limited understanding, can't the OVMF driver which > uses features from some GPL based code, carry a dual license (GPL + > x11 [MIT]), No, that would require agreement from the original copyright holder, which you are not going to get.

Re: [Xen-devel] [edk2] EDK II & GPL - Re: OVMF BoF @ KVM Forum 2015

2015-09-10 Thread Sharma Bhupesh
> From: edk2-devel [mailto:edk2-devel-boun...@lists.01.org] On Behalf Of > Jordan Justen > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 11:03 AM > On 2015-09-09 20:26:54, Andrew Fish wrote: > > > On Sep 9, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Jordan Justen > wrote: > > > On 2015-09-09 16:05:20, Andrew Fish wrote: > > >> So yo

Re: [Xen-devel] [edk2] EDK II & GPL - Re: OVMF BoF @ KVM Forum 2015

2015-09-09 Thread Andrew Fish
> On Sep 9, 2015, at 11:19 PM, Alexander Graf wrote: > > > >> Am 10.09.2015 um 07:32 schrieb Jordan Justen : >> >> On 2015-09-09 20:26:54, Andrew Fish wrote: On Sep 9, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Jordan Justen wrote: > On 2015-09-09 16:05:20, Andrew Fish wrote: > So you have a legal

Re: [Xen-devel] [edk2] EDK II & GPL - Re: OVMF BoF @ KVM Forum 2015

2015-09-09 Thread Alexander Graf
> Am 10.09.2015 um 07:32 schrieb Jordan Justen : > > On 2015-09-09 20:26:54, Andrew Fish wrote: >>> On Sep 9, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Jordan Justen wrote: On 2015-09-09 16:05:20, Andrew Fish wrote: So you have a legal degree and are speaking on behalf of your employer on this subject?

Re: [Xen-devel] [edk2] EDK II & GPL - Re: OVMF BoF @ KVM Forum 2015

2015-09-09 Thread El-Haj-Mahmoud, Samer
The recent expansions beyond BSD where all permissive licenses (BSD like) as far as I can tell. I agree with Andrew, opening the door for GPL licensed code in EDK2 will have severe consequences for products that are built using EDK2. -Original Message- From: edk2-devel [mailto:edk2-d

Re: [Xen-devel] [edk2] EDK II & GPL - Re: OVMF BoF @ KVM Forum 2015

2015-09-09 Thread El-Haj-Mahmoud, Samer
Adding back edk2-devel that got accidently dropped I am against putting any GPL licensed code in EDK2. Having it live in a separate repo and pulling an additional package from that repo is fine. But the main EDK2 repo needs to stay GPL-free. Thanks, --Samer -Original Message- From: a

Re: [Xen-devel] [edk2] EDK II & GPL - Re: OVMF BoF @ KVM Forum 2015

2015-09-09 Thread Jordan Justen
On 2015-09-09 20:26:54, Andrew Fish wrote: > > On Sep 9, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Jordan Justen wrote: > > On 2015-09-09 16:05:20, Andrew Fish wrote: > >> So you have a legal degree and are speaking on behalf of your > >> employer on this subject? > > > > No and no. How about you? :) > > No but I have

Re: [Xen-devel] [edk2] EDK II & GPL - Re: OVMF BoF @ KVM Forum 2015

2015-09-09 Thread Andrew Fish
> On Sep 9, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Jordan Justen wrote: > > On 2015-09-09 16:05:20, Andrew Fish wrote: >> >>> On Sep 9, 2015, at 3:24 PM, Jordan Justen wrote: >>> >>> On 2015-09-09 12:11:26, El-Haj-Mahmoud, Samer wrote: The recent expansions beyond BSD where all permissive licenses (BSD

Re: [Xen-devel] [edk2] EDK II & GPL - Re: OVMF BoF @ KVM Forum 2015

2015-09-09 Thread Jordan Justen
On 2015-09-09 16:05:20, Andrew Fish wrote: > > > On Sep 9, 2015, at 3:24 PM, Jordan Justen wrote: > > > > On 2015-09-09 12:11:26, El-Haj-Mahmoud, Samer wrote: > >> The recent expansions beyond BSD where all permissive licenses (BSD > >> like) as far as I can tell. > >> > >> I agree with Andrew,

Re: [Xen-devel] [edk2] EDK II & GPL - Re: OVMF BoF @ KVM Forum 2015

2015-09-09 Thread Andrew Fish
> On Sep 9, 2015, at 3:24 PM, Jordan Justen wrote: > > On 2015-09-09 12:11:26, El-Haj-Mahmoud, Samer wrote: >> The recent expansions beyond BSD where all permissive licenses (BSD >> like) as far as I can tell. >> >> I agree with Andrew, opening the door for GPL licensed code in EDK2 >> will hav

Re: [Xen-devel] [edk2] EDK II & GPL - Re: OVMF BoF @ KVM Forum 2015

2015-09-09 Thread Andrew Fish
> On Sep 9, 2015, at 10:57 AM, Jordan Justen wrote: > > On 2015-09-09 10:04:50, Andrew Fish wrote: >> >>> On Sep 9, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Jordan Justen wrote: >>> >>> So, related to this, I wonder how the community would feel about a >>> GplDriverPkg. Would the community allow it as a new package

Re: [Xen-devel] [edk2] EDK II & GPL - Re: OVMF BoF @ KVM Forum 2015

2015-09-09 Thread Jordan Justen
On 2015-09-09 12:11:26, El-Haj-Mahmoud, Samer wrote: > The recent expansions beyond BSD where all permissive licenses (BSD > like) as far as I can tell. > > I agree with Andrew, opening the door for GPL licensed code in EDK2 > will have severe consequences for products that are built using > EDK2.

Re: [Xen-devel] [edk2] EDK II & GPL - Re: OVMF BoF @ KVM Forum 2015

2015-09-09 Thread Paolo Bonzini
Well, FatPkg is only superficially permissive and not even open source, so there is a precedent. (A precedent that, I might add, happens to violate SourceForge's the off service). When we import edk2 into Fedora we just remove FatBinPkg. We would think twice before contributing to it, but do no

Re: [Xen-devel] [edk2] EDK II & GPL - Re: OVMF BoF @ KVM Forum 2015

2015-09-09 Thread Jordan Justen
On 2015-09-09 10:04:50, Andrew Fish wrote: > > > On Sep 9, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Jordan Justen wrote: > > > > So, related to this, I wonder how the community would feel about a > > GplDriverPkg. Would the community allow it as a new package in EDK II > > directly, or would a separate repo be require

Re: [Xen-devel] [edk2] EDK II & GPL - Re: OVMF BoF @ KVM Forum 2015

2015-09-09 Thread Andrew Fish
> On Sep 9, 2015, at 9:17 AM, Jordan Justen wrote: > > On 2015-09-09 01:57:51, Laszlo Ersek wrote: >> On 08/10/15 18:24, Laszlo Ersek wrote: >>> Hi. >>> >>> Let's do an OVMF BoF at this year's KVM Forum too. >> >> Here's a preliminary task list, after some off-list discussion (I tried >> to in