Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Ftuture state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-28 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2011/10/28 Vafa Khalighi vafa...@gmail.com: Hi Since Jonathan has no time any more for coding XeTeX, then what will be the state of XeTeX in TeX distributions such as TeXLive? will be XeTeX removed from TeXLive just like Aleph and Omega (in favour of LuaTeX) were removed from TeXLive?

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Ftuture state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-28 Thread George N. White III
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Mojca Miklavec mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 13:19, Vafa Khalighi wrote: Hi Since Jonathan has no time any more for coding XeTeX, then what will be the state of XeTeX in TeX distributions such as TeXLive? will be XeTeX removed

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Ftuture state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-28 Thread Vafa Khalighi
That is not entirely true. Should the users of TeX (those who use Knuth's original TeX engine) support the development of Knuth TeX or move to another engine just because Knuth no longer extends TeX and he only fixes bugs? On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:33 PM, George N. White III

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Ftuture state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-28 Thread Dominik Wujastyk
Personally, I would not mind if XeTeX went into maintenance mode. I like such stability. It already has a great deal of functionality, probably enough to last me the rest of my writing career. I do take Vafa's point, though, that if future OS platforms break XeTeX, it would be nice to have

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Ftuture state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-28 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 01:58:18PM +0200, Mojca Miklavec wrote: If nothing else, if nobody adapts the code, it might stop working with next version of Mac OS X or a version after that. I assume this is related to native Mac font APIs, right? But then I think the worst case with to disable that

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Future state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-28 Thread William Adams
On Oct 28, 2011, at 9:00 AM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: Personally, I would not mind if XeTeX went into maintenance mode. I like such stability. It already has a great deal of functionality, probably enough to last me the rest of my writing career. I do take Vafa's point, though, that if

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Ftuture state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-28 Thread Kirk Lowery
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Zdenek Wagner zdenek.wag...@gmail.comwrote: Generally, all XeTeX documents must render in luatex without the need of modifying the source. I see that things are changing. Simple नमस्ते दुनिया fails in luatex from TL 2010 but works in TL 2011. We cannot switch

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Ftuture state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-28 Thread Alan Munn
On Oct 28, 2011, at 10:27 AM, Kirk Lowery wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Zdenek Wagner zdenek.wag...@gmail.com wrote: Generally, all XeTeX documents must render in luatex without the need of modifying the source. I see that things are changing. Simple नमस्ते दुनिया fails in

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Ftuture state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-28 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 02:50:53PM +0200, Zdenek Wagner wrote: Generally, all XeTeX documents must render in luatex without the need of modifying the source. I see that things are changing. Simple नमस्ते दुनिया fails in luatex from TL 2010 but works in TL 2011. We cannot switch from XeTeX to

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Future state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-28 Thread George N. White III
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:00 AM, William Adams will.ad...@frycomm.com wrote: On Oct 28, 2011, at 9:00 AM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: Personally, I would not mind if XeTeX went into maintenance mode.  I like such stability.  It already has a great deal of functionality, probably enough to last

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Future state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-28 Thread William Adams
On Oct 28, 2011, at 12:54 PM, George N. White III wrote: 0. Why is Tex still necessary? My impression is that Knuth hoped to see his work used in more creative ways than TeX distros. Well, that's why LuaTeX is being developed, and the thought behind the development of ANT (though I haven't

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Future state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-28 Thread mskala
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011, William Adams wrote: majority of documents are created using GUI tools. What use cases are better served by batch mode, and in what cases is TeX used by default because of available GUI tools refuse to play. Large database publications. Variable data printing. Also,

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Future state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-28 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2011/10/28 msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca: On Fri, 28 Oct 2011, William Adams wrote: majority of documents are created using GUI tools.   What use cases are better served by batch mode, and in what cases is TeX used by default because of available GUI tools refuse to play. Large database

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Future state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-28 Thread maxwell
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011, William Adams wrote: majority of documents are created using GUI tools. What use cases are better served by batch mode, and in what cases is TeX used by default because of available GUI tools refuse to play. We have a process that starts with DocBook (XML) and gets

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Ftuture state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-28 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Mojca Miklavec wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 13:19, Vafa Khalighi wrote: Hi Since Jonathan has no time any more for coding XeTeX, then what will be the state of XeTeX in TeX distributions such as TeXLive? will be XeTeX removed from TeXLive just like Aleph and Omega (in favour of LuaTeX) were

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Ftuture state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-28 Thread Jonathan Kew
On 28 Oct 2011, at 21:20, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Omega was remove because it was buggy, unmaintained, but most important of all: hardly usable. It took a genius to figure out how to use it, while XeTeX is exactly the contrary. It simplifies everything in comparison to

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Ftuture state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-28 Thread Petr Tomasek
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 02:03:52PM +0200, Khaled Hosny wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 01:58:18PM +0200, Mojca Miklavec wrote: If nothing else, if nobody adapts the code, it might stop working with next version of Mac OS X or a version after that. I assume this is related to native Mac font

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Future state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-28 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2011/10/28 maxwell maxw...@umiacs.umd.edu: On Fri, 28 Oct 2011, William Adams wrote: majority of documents are created using GUI tools.   What use cases are better served by batch mode, and in what cases is TeX used by default because of available GUI tools refuse to play. We have a process

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Ftuture state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-28 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2011/10/28 Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk: Mojca Miklavec wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 13:19, Vafa Khalighi wrote: Hi Since Jonathan has no time any more for coding XeTeX, then what will be the state of XeTeX in TeX distributions such as TeXLive? will be XeTeX

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Ftuture state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-28 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Zdenek Wagner wrote: If I understand Mojca correctly, she compared XeTeX to Omega. If that were the case, Zdenek, would Mojca not have written XeTeX is exactly the contrary. It simplifies everything in comparison to Omega., rather than XeTeX is exactly the contrary. It simplifies everything

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Ftuture state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-28 Thread Norbert Preining
On Fr, 28 Okt 2011, Zdenek Wagner wrote: I cannot test other Indic scripts because I do not know them. Tibetan script may be difficult. Tibetan is much simpler than Devanagari scripts. It has a certain amount of fixed ligatures, plus a fw rules if one wants to make non-standard ligatures

Re: [XeTeX] TECkit map for Latin alphabet to Unicode IPA

2011-10-28 Thread Andy Lin
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 04:06, Daniel Greenhoe dgreen...@gmail.com wrote: What I would really like is a drop in solution involving a TECkit map only. That is, I would like to be able to hand such a map off to a linguist, and to tell him/her to simply add in something like this to his/her tex