On May 4, 2012, at 2:44 PM, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
> 2012/5/4 Apostolos Syropoulos :
>>>
>>> Don't you feel yourself in a loop? If they patch it, they apparently
>>> want to use it and if they want to use it, it is not useless for them
>>> because if it were useless, they would not use it and thus
On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 09:44:22PM +0200, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
> 2012/5/4 Apostolos Syropoulos :
> > The question is: why keeping the tex binary when the pdftex binary can
> > do the same things? If you throw away the tex binary, then you can
> > get rid of most useless binaries that manipulate DVI
2012/5/4 Apostolos Syropoulos :
>>
>> Don't you feel yourself in a loop? If they patch it, they apparently
>> want to use it and if they want to use it, it is not useless for them
>> because if it were useless, they would not use it and thus they would
>> have no reason to patch it.
>>
>
>
> No! Th
On May 4, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Apostolos Syropoulos wrote:
>>
>> Don't you feel yourself in a loop? If they patch it, they apparently
>> want to use it and if they want to use it, it is not useless for them
>> because if it were useless, they would not use it and thus they would
>> have no reason t
2012/5/4 Apostolos Syropoulos :
> No! The problem is that people should start saying that certain parts
> of the old TeX world are irrelevant and so they should not be part
> of any TeX distribution. For example, on a set of recently compiled
You don't understand the idea of TeX/LaTeX: A stable sy
>
> I think it's arrogant in the strict sense that you arrogate to yourself the
> right to tell others what tasks they should or should not be engaging in, and
> you characterize the activity of those persisting in the tasks you would like
> to
> prohibit as 'stupid' (as in your most recent co
>
> Don't you feel yourself in a loop? If they patch it, they apparently
> want to use it and if they want to use it, it is not useless for them
> because if it were useless, they would not use it and thus they would
> have no reason to patch it.
>
No! The problem is that people should start sa
On 04/05/2012 17:48, Javier Bezos wrote:
> As to the mailing list, I'm not sure. There is the latex-l
> list, but it's intended mainly for LaTeX3, and babel is a
> LaTeX2e (and Plain) thing, but after cleaning up babel there
> will be very likely further work on a new multilingual core
> for LaTeX3
I think it's arrogant in the strict sense that you arrogate to yourself the
right to tell others what tasks they should or should not be engaging in,
and you characterize the activity of those persisting in the tasks you would
like to prohibit as 'stupid' (as in your most recent contribution).
El 04/05/2012 9:24, Vafa Khalighi escribió:
Is there a mailing list/development repository for babel?
Sure. The repository is on:
http://www.latex-project.org/svnroot/latex2e-public/required/babel/
Until now, there are only changes in the test files.
As to the mailing list, I'm not sure. Th
2012/5/4 Apostolos Syropoulos :
>>
>> Telling other people what they should maintain and what they *must* abandon
>> feels very arrogant. Why should a certain A.S. decide what is worth the
>> effort
>> and what is not?
>>
>
> Arrogant in what way? Have you ever tried to compile the TeX tree? In ma
2012/5/4 John Was :
> Well that gives me a lot more technical information than I had before, but
> as an end user I don't think I need to manipulate things too much. To use
> my \latin macro, for example, all I have done is add a line to the file
> header:
>
> \def\latin{\uselanguage{latin}\righth
>
> Telling other people what they should maintain and what they *must* abandon
> feels very arrogant. Why should a certain A.S. decide what is worth the
> effort
> and what is not?
>
Arrogant in what way? Have you ever tried to compile the TeX tree? In many
cases people have to invent stupid
Well that gives me a lot more technical information than I had before, but
as an end user I don't think I need to manipulate things too much. To use
my \latin macro, for example, all I have done is add a line to the file
header:
\def\latin{\uselanguage{latin}\righthyphenmin=3}
And so on for
>> If you think LaTeX is too archaic and should be put in museum (I do),
>> that is a different story.
>>
>
>
> At least we agree to something! In addition, I feel that we need to get
> rid of many other programs, macro-packages, etc. For example, there is
> absolutely no reason to maintain XDVI
2012/5/4 John Was :
> I'm not going to get involved in the polemics of this thread (which, as has
> been well pointed out, has tended towards the puerile), but I am a user of
> (so-called plain) XeTeX, so far without any strong incentive to move over to
> a LaTeX flavour of the program, and I do ap
I'm not going to get involved in the polemics of this thread (which, as has
been well pointed out, has tended towards the puerile), but I am a user of
(so-called plain) XeTeX, so far without any strong incentive to move over to a
LaTeX flavour of the program, and I do appreciate having the hyphe
Although I don't use babel nowadays, I would like to thank to Javier Bezos
his effort and time in maintaining and improving it.
That's one of the best things of the *TeX world, that you have options to
choose what it is better for you. Perhaps XeTeX is great for some of us
today; perhaps tomorrow a
>
> If you think LaTeX is too archaic and should be put in museum (I do),
> that is a different story.
>
At least we agree to something! In addition, I feel that we need to get
rid of many other programs, macro-packages, etc. For example, there is
absolutely no reason to maintain XDVI.
A.S.
On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 06:33:03AM -0700, Apostolos Syropoulos wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Well, when you compare a LaTeX package to a TeX engine you either don’t
> > know what you are talking about or deliberately committing a logical
> > fallacy, pick your choice.
>
>
> Do you think I don't know the
>
> Well, when you compare a LaTeX package to a TeX engine you either don’t
> know what you are talking about or deliberately committing a logical
> fallacy, pick your choice.
Do you think I don't know the difference between a typesetting engine
and a package? When I talk about babel I mean ob
On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 03:19:16AM -0700, Apostolos Syropoulos wrote:
> >> Try to write Greek with babel and with XeTeX: babal is just pain in
> >> @$$ whilst XeLaTeX simply rocks! Do you understand now what I am
> >> saying?
> >
> > You are comparing apples and oranges here.
>
>
> You think
2012/5/4 Apostolos Syropoulos :
>> German, Italian, Spanish, Swedish, Norwegian, Classical Greek, Modern
>> Greek, French, Plattdeutsh, Bahasa Indonesia, Vietnamese, Mongolian,
>
>
> Try to write Greek with babel and with XeTeX: babal is just pain in
> @$$ whilst XeLaTeX simply rocks! Do you unders
>> Try to write Greek with babel and with XeTeX: babal is just pain in
>> @$$ whilst XeLaTeX simply rocks! Do you understand now what I am
>> saying?
>
> You are comparing apples and oranges here.
You think so? OK, I can live with this kind
of critique.
A.S.
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Aposto
On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 12:33:48AM -0700, Apostolos Syropoulos wrote:
> Try to write Greek with babel and with XeTeX: babal is just pain in
> @$$ whilst XeLaTeX simply rocks! Do you understand now what I am
> saying?
You are comparing apples and oranges here.
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2012/5/4 Wilfred van Rooijen :
> Hello,
>
> Always be careful with pdf2ps. If one converts PS to PDF, information is
> lost - this is one of the reasons that the PDF file is usually smaller in
> size than the PS file. So it is technically not always possible to perfectly
> reconstruct a PS from a P
> Do you want to say that Leslie Lamport lied when stating that LaTeX
> (even v. 2.09) is international? Do you want to say that the babel
Many years ago a friend of mine prepared his MSc thesis using
nroff and the text he was "setting" was Greek. Does this mean
that people should maintain nroff?
Is there a mailing list/development repository for babel?
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Hi Kiddies,
I am getting a good laugh with this thread!
Yes, there are caveats to the arguments.
The important thing is that there is someone/ a team that is willing
to improve the behavior of Babel and maybe teaching it some new tricks
while not breaking it! The benefits may only be for a few o
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