Re: [XeTeX] Incorrect rendering of Vedic Sanskrit accents

2015-05-22 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
> First, this is only describing how Uniscribe handles this situation; > its not clear that makes this behaviour a normative part of the Indic > script specification. Well, unfortunately, Uniscribe was for years the reference implementation, and there was no formal Indic script specification, so

Re: [XeTeX] Incorrect rendering of Vedic Sanskrit accents

2015-05-22 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
> Also, the original version of xetex was developed by SIL (SIL > also has some useful fonts), and SIL works with such minority languages > exclusively. So while it may be possible for the *tex engine or fonts to > omit the dotted circle, it doesn't seem to be a very high priority.

Re: [XeTeX] Incorrect rendering of Vedic Sanskrit accents

2015-05-22 Thread David M. Jones
> Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 22:52:24 +0200 > From: Zdenek Wagner > The requirement of the Indic specification is to display the dotted > circle if the mark cannot be combined. Aha! Thank you the pointer. I assume you're referring to this? http://www.microsoft.com/typography/otfntdev/indicot/

Re: [XeTeX] Incorrect rendering of Vedic Sanskrit accents

2015-05-22 Thread Stephen Moye
Alas, no. SGM > On May 22, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Arthur Reutenauer > wrote: > > On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 04:49:58PM -0400, Stephen Moye wrote: >> Atta boy! You tell 'em! Take THAT! > Was that really meant for the list? > > Arthur > > > --

Re: [XeTeX] Incorrect rendering of Vedic Sanskrit accents

2015-05-22 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 04:49:58PM -0400, Stephen Moye wrote: > Atta boy! You tell 'em! Take THAT! Was that really meant for the list? Arthur -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.: http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex

Re: [XeTeX] Incorrect rendering of Vedic Sanskrit accents

2015-05-22 Thread BPJ
Den 2015-05-22 21:14, David M. Jones skrev: Arguably, it never is -- if you want a dotted circle, you can add it yourself, whereas it's not at all unusual to want to show combining marks in isolation in, say, textbooks. Showing it with a dotted circle as stand in for a base character, whether

Re: [XeTeX] Incorrect rendering of Vedic Sanskrit accents

2015-05-22 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2015-05-22 21:14 GMT+02:00 David M. Jones : > Mike Maxwell's original post hasn't shown up here yet, so I'm lumping > two responses together. > >> Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 12:24:49 -0600 >> From: Bobby de Vos >> Reply-To: "XeTeX (Unicode-based TeX) discussion." >> >> On 2015-05-22 10:49, maxwell wr

Re: [XeTeX] Incorrect rendering of Vedic Sanskrit accents

2015-05-22 Thread Stephen Moye
Atta boy! You tell 'em! Take THAT! SGM > On May 22, 2015, at 4:37 PM, David M. Jones wrote: > >> Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 17:18:34 +0200 >> From: Zdenek Wagner >> >> Hi David, >> >> as far as I understand rendering Devanagari fonts, this is handled by >> the GPOS tables. I would therefore su

Re: [XeTeX] Incorrect rendering of Vedic Sanskrit accents

2015-05-22 Thread David M. Jones
> Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 17:18:34 +0200 > From: Zdenek Wagner > > Hi David, > > as far as I understand rendering Devanagari fonts, this is handled by > the GPOS tables. I would therefore suspect a bug in the font that > should be reported to the font desogner. The fact that luaTeX renders the e

Re: [XeTeX] Incorrect rendering of Vedic Sanskrit accents

2015-05-22 Thread David M. Jones
Mike Maxwell's original post hasn't shown up here yet, so I'm lumping two responses together. > Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 12:24:49 -0600 > From: Bobby de Vos > Reply-To: "XeTeX (Unicode-based TeX) discussion." > > On 2015-05-22 10:49, maxwell wrote: > > On 2015-05-22 10:14, David M. Jones wrote: >

Re: [XeTeX] Incorrect rendering of Vedic Sanskrit accents

2015-05-22 Thread maxwell
On 2015-05-22 14:24, Bobby de Vos wrote: Some minority languages (that is, not the dominate language using a particular script) often use combining marks in ways not envisioned in order to extend the script to cover all the sounds in the minority language. So for those minority languages, having

Re: [XeTeX] Incorrect rendering of Vedic Sanskrit accents

2015-05-22 Thread Bobby de Vos
On 2015-05-22 10:49, maxwell wrote: > On 2015-05-22 10:14, David M. Jones wrote: >> ... >> P.S. There's actually a third class of bug that is clearly visible in >> the table at the top of my document, but which I didn't mention >> explicitly: XeTeX won't typeset one of the Devanagari combining >> c

Re: [XeTeX] Incorrect rendering of Vedic Sanskrit accents

2015-05-22 Thread maxwell
On 2015-05-22 10:14, David M. Jones wrote: ... P.S. There's actually a third class of bug that is clearly visible in the table at the top of my document, but which I didn't mention explicitly: XeTeX won't typeset one of the Devanagari combining characters in isolation without adding a prothetic d

Re: [XeTeX] Incorrect rendering of Vedic Sanskrit accents

2015-05-22 Thread Zdenek Wagner
Hi David, as far as I understand rendering Devanagari fonts, this is handled by the GPOS tables. I would therefore suspect a bug in the font that should be reported to the font desogner. I do not know Snaskrit, I am not able to judge whether the positions of Vedic accents are correct or not. Could

[XeTeX] Incorrect rendering of Vedic Sanskrit accents

2015-05-22 Thread David M. Jones
I posted this to the XeTeX sourceforge tracker a couple of weeks ago, and it was suggested that I also mention it here. The sourceforge ticket is https://sourceforge.net/p/xetex/bugs/111/ and the zip file is https://sourceforge.net/p/xetex/bugs/111/attachment/xetex-indic-bug.zip Cheers