Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-15 Thread Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Michiel Kamermans wrote: - HAN NOM A/B (http://vietunicode.sourceforge.net/fonts/fonts_hannom.html), technically a general CJKV font, massive glyph span, but no opentype features as far as I can tell. I have seen this page before, and been puzzled by the names credited with the creation of t

Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-15 Thread Michiel Kamermans
On 7/15/2010 4:04 AM, Ryo IGARASHI wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, Will, Just to comment on 3., only for Japanese font stuff. 2010/7/12 Will Robertson: 3. All of my Japanese examples use the Hiragino fonts distributed with Mac OS X; are there any free alternati

Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-15 Thread Ryo IGARASHI
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, Will, Just to comment on 3., only for Japanese font stuff. 2010/7/12 Will Robertson : > 3. All of my Japanese examples use the Hiragino fonts distributed > with Mac OS X; are there any free alternatives I can use that supports > features such

Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-14 Thread Will Robertson
On 2010-07-14 22:24:30 +0930, "Fr. Michael Gilmary" said: Oh, good! Then, I humbly request, for the benefit of those you love on this list, that the next version of fontspec documentation have hyperlinks for ToC, etc Maybe you've already done this in more recent versions that we have her

Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-14 Thread François Charette
On 14/07/2010 15:51, William Adams wrote: On Jul 14, 2010, at 9:45 AM, François Charette wrote: The edition itself should indeed be searchable, indexable and the accompanying apparatus should provide clear evidence for all changes the editor(s) made to the original source(s). The photographi

Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-14 Thread William Adams
On Jul 14, 2010, at 9:45 AM, François Charette wrote: > The edition itself should indeed be searchable, indexable and the > accompanying apparatus should provide clear evidence for all changes the > editor(s) made to the original source(s). The photographic reproduction > should only complement

Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-14 Thread François Charette
On 14/07/2010 15:31, Peter Baker wrote: I love it! I'll try to get a look at his stuff. Some of Boncompagni's earlier publications are on Google Books, but they are still comparatively conservative in terms of "authentic reproduction". That became more visible in the later issues of his Bul

Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-14 Thread François Charette
On 14/07/2010 14:24, William Adams wrote: On Jul 14, 2010, at 6:16 AM, François Charette wrote: Still, I cannot refrain from asking: what is exactly the point of such fonts? Any edition of an historical text should be first and foremost legible and intelligible to modern readers, without dis

Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-14 Thread Peter Baker
On 07/14/2010 06:16 AM, François Charette wrote: In 19th-century Rome, a prince and mathematician named Baldassare Boncompagni[1] ran his own publishing house and scholarly journal on history of mathematics and physics, the “Bullettino di bibliografia e di storia delle scienze mathematiche e

Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-14 Thread William Adams
On Jul 14, 2010, at 8:44 AM, Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: > I agree with all except (possibly) the last part : what exactly > do you mean by "reflect modern sensibilities" ? Would you advocate > changing the wording of a reproduction of a historical document > solely because its origin

Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-14 Thread Fr. Michael Gilmary
Will Robertson wrote: P.S. I love this list. Oh, good! Then, I humbly request, for the benefit of those you love on this list, that the next version of fontspec documentation have hyperlinks for ToC, etc Maybe you've already done this in more recent versions that we have here.

Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-14 Thread Jonathan Kew
On 14 Jul 2010, at 13:24, William Adams wrote: > > (whose wife purchased a reproduction of The Declaration of Independence for > him as a Christmas gift last year: > http://mbelloff.tripod.com/goddardbroadside.html > --- we got the first edition w/ the original wording, but there's a new one > w

Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-14 Thread Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd)
William Adams wrote : On Jul 14, 2010, at 6:16 AM, François Charette wrote: >> Still, I cannot refrain from asking: what is exactly the point of >> such fonts? Any edition of an historical text should be first and >> foremost legible and intelligible to modern readers, without distracting >> the

Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-14 Thread William Adams
On Jul 14, 2010, at 6:16 AM, François Charette wrote: > Still, I cannot refrain from asking: what is exactly the point of such fonts? > Any edition of an historical text should be first and foremost legible and > intelligible to modern readers, without distracting them. To accurately > reproduc

Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-14 Thread Will Robertson
On 2010-07-14 19:46:02 +0930, François Charette said: [quite off-topic] In 19th-century Rome, a prince and mathematician named Baldassare Boncompagni... P.S. I love this list. Thanks :) W -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information

Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-14 Thread François Charette
On 12/07/2010 19:38, Peter Baker wrote: On 07/12/2010 11:44 AM, Will Robertson wrote: If you typeset the word λόγου with and without 'hist' you will see a difference. Thanks for the suggestion; unfortunately I think these fonts only have historical ligatures (hlig) rather than historical a

Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-14 Thread Will Robertson
On 2010-07-14 12:38:56 +0930, Alexey Kryukov said: On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 00:00:00 +0930 Will Robertson wrote: Why? If they are "historical forms" isn't it better to give them a meaningful OpenType feature name? To my mind, an attempt to provide meaningful feature names for every possible sit

Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-13 Thread Alexey Kryukov
On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 00:00:00 +0930 Will Robertson wrote: > Why? If they are "historical forms" isn't it better to give them a > meaningful OpenType feature name? To my mind, an attempt to provide meaningful feature names for every possible situation was a key mistake of the OpenType standard. It

Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-13 Thread Will Robertson
On 2010-07-13 21:50:50 +0930, David Perry said: Sure, or cv01 (like ss01) if you implement the short tags. Fontspec is unusual in that it lets (actually, requires) users to request stylistic alternates by number. Most programs present the alternates visually in a character palette. Well, t

Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-13 Thread Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Will Robertson wrote: Please ask if it looks like I've missed adding a feature in fontspec; chances are I need to add code or documentation or both to the package. A somewhat na\"\i ve question, if I may ? Reading the Fontspec manual, fairly early on I see : The fontspec package allows us

Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-13 Thread David Perry
Will Robertson wrote: The reason the naming scheme is so chaotic is that it was first written to support Mac OS X AAT fonts (this was before XeTeX supported OpenType!) I suspected that was the case, thanks for confirming. I'm trying to document OpenType font features now with clear refere

Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-12 Thread Will Robertson
On 2010-07-13 03:37:13 +0930, David Perry said: This has always been available under the "Variant=0/1/2/3/..." feature but this name wasn't very obvious. In more recent versions of fontspec you can use "StylisticSet=0/1/2...". Thank you, thank you. I hadn't picked up on this. The naming con

Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-12 Thread David Perry
Will Robertson wrote: But please note that this feature is essentially deprecated: it is better for a font designer to use stylistic sets instead. Why? If they are "historical forms" isn't it better to give them a meaningful OpenType feature name? I think what Alexey is referring to is th

Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-12 Thread Peter Baker
On 07/12/2010 11:44 AM, Will Robertson wrote: If you typeset the word λόγου with and without 'hist' you will see a difference. Thanks for the suggestion; unfortunately I think these fonts only have historical ligatures (hlig) rather than historical alternates (hist). Cheers, Will I've go

Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-12 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:00:00AM +0930, Will Robertson wrote: > On 2010-07-12 18:33:54 +0930, Alexey Kryukov > said: > > >On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:45:49 +0930 > >Will Robertson wrote: > > > >>- Historical style (hist) > > > >You can try my Theano Old Style font > >(http://www.thessalonica.org.ru/

Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-12 Thread Will Robertson
On 2010-07-12 17:07:37 +0930, Yves Codet said: For the last feature you could use a Greek font which includes it, for instance "Alexander", that you can download here: http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/ If you typeset the word λόγου with and without 'hist' you will see a difference. Thanks fo

Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-12 Thread Will Robertson
On 2010-07-12 22:01:42 +0930, Khaled Hosny said: On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 04:45:49PM +0930, Will Robertson wrote: 1. Does anyone know of any free fonts that have optical size variants? Latin Modern. Oh! It's like the purloined letter, hiding in plain sight. Thanks, Will

Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-12 Thread Will Robertson
On 2010-07-12 18:33:54 +0930, Alexey Kryukov said: On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:45:49 +0930 Will Robertson wrote: - Historical style (hist) You can try my Theano Old Style font (http://www.thessalonica.org.ru/en/theano.html), which has some historical forms implemented both for Greek and Latin.

Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-12 Thread cfrees
On Mon 12th Jul, 2010 at 16:45, Will Robertson seems to have written: Dear all, I'm trying to improve the examples in the fontspec manual. As well as improving the examples already there, I'd like to eliminate the use of any non-free fonts so that others can compile the manual without trouble

Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-12 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 04:45:49PM +0930, Will Robertson wrote: > Dear all, > > I'm trying to improve the examples in the fontspec manual. As well as > improving the examples already there, I'd like to eliminate the use of any > non-free fonts so that others can compile the manual without troubl

Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-12 Thread Alexey Kryukov
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:45:49 +0930 Will Robertson wrote: > - Historical style (hist) You can try my Theano Old Style font (http://www.thessalonica.org.ru/en/theano.html), which has some historical forms implemented both for Greek and Latin. But please note that this feature is essentially depreca

Re: [XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-12 Thread Yves Codet
Hello. Le 12 juil. 10 à 09:15, Will Robertson a écrit : Dear all, I'm trying to improve the examples in the fontspec manual. As well as improving the examples already there, I'd like to eliminate the use of any non-free fonts so that others can compile the manual without trouble. I've

[XeTeX] [OT] Free fonts for fontspec examples?

2010-07-12 Thread Will Robertson
Dear all, I'm trying to improve the examples in the fontspec manual. As well as improving the examples already there, I'd like to eliminate the use of any non-free fonts so that others can compile the manual without trouble. I've got a few areas I'm stuck on, since my font repertoire isn't very