Re: Poll: Should Xorg change from using Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to something harder for users to press by accident?

2008-09-22 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 03:20 +, Jason Spiro wrote: > Tiago Vignatti c3sl.ufpr.br> wrote: > > > > The "DontZap" option in xorg.conf isn't enough for you? `man 5 xorg.conf` > > It would work fine for me. But it's not good enough for most users, since > most > Xorg users don't know how to edit

Re: Building X

2008-09-22 Thread Matthieu Herrb
Adam Jackson wrote: > On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 16:55 -0700, Keith Packard wrote: >> On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 13:52 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: >> >>> You don't "ask for" the stipple though. It's the default. >> My point was that if you want to avoid the vintage X appearance, you'd >> likely start the X s

Re: Poll: Should Xorg change from using Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to something harder for users to press by accident?

2008-09-22 Thread Matthieu Herrb
Jason Spiro wrote: > Problem: Many[1] users have killed X by accident.[2] > > Solution idea: Make it harder to kill X by accident. E.g. you could > change the key sequence users must press. >* Maybe require Control+Alt+Backspace then Control-Alt-Y.[3] >* Or require Control+K+X pressed si

Re: current git head of Xserver segfaults on a keyhit

2008-09-22 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 08:08:37PM +0200, Lukas Hejtmanek wrote: > the current git head of the Xserver segfaults on any keystroke. Trace is > attached: Can I have a log please? Cheers, Peter ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://list

Re: Poll: Should Xorg change from using Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to something harder for users to press by accident?

2008-09-22 Thread CyberOrg
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Russell Whitaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Tue, 23 Sep 2008, Jason Spiro wrote: > >> > Problem: Many[1] users have killed X by accident.[2] > > Solution idea: Make it harder to kill X by accident. E.g. you could > change the key sequence users must pres

Re: Poll: Should Xorg change from using Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to something harder for users to press by accident?

2008-09-22 Thread Russell Whitaker
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008, Jason Spiro wrote: > Problem: Many[1] users have killed X by accident.[2] Solution idea: Make it harder to kill X by accident. E.g. you could change the key sequence users must press. * Maybe require Control+Alt+Backspace then Control-Alt-Y.[3] * Or require Contr

Re: How to implement alternate zap key idea

2008-09-22 Thread Corbin Simpson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jason Spiro wrote: > Plus, due to the psychological effect called "groupthink", people who would > have > said "yes" are now less likely to admit it to the entire list, since IIRC > three > have already said "no" and only one (me) has said "yes". :(

Re: How to implement alternate zap key idea (was: Re: Poll: Should Xorg change from using Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to?something harder for users to press by accident?)

2008-09-22 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 04:39:49AM +, Jason Spiro wrote: > Thanks for the info. 1. So I guess when using evdev, a way to implement my > Ctrl+Alt+Bksp then Ctrl+Alt+Y idea would be this?: Ctrl+Alt+Bksp should latch > some new modifier called ctrl_alt_bksp_was_pressed, and Ctrl+Alt+Y should zap

How to implement alternate zap key idea (was: Re: Poll: Should Xorg change from using Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to something harder for users to press by accident?)

2008-09-22 Thread Jason Spiro
Peter Hutterer who-t.net> wrote: > > driver kbd: hardcodes Ctrl + Alt + Backspace. (IMHO that's a bug anyway) > driver evdev: the XKB map decides what happens. > > In the latter case, all you have to do is change the xkb map. If you can > convice svu to add it to xkeyboard-config, you only need

Re: Poll: Should Xorg change from using Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to something harder for users to press by accident?

2008-09-22 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 02:41:16AM +, Jason Spiro wrote: > Problem: Many[1] users have killed X by accident.[2] > > Solution idea: Make it harder to kill X by accident. E.g. you could > change the key sequence users must press. >* Maybe require Control+Alt+Backspace then Control-Alt-Y.[3

Re: Poll: Should Xorg change from using Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to something harder for users to press by accident?

2008-09-22 Thread Corbin Simpson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jason Spiro wrote: > Corbin Simpson gmail.com> writes: > ... >> Seriously, no. > > Your vote has been duly noted. > >> Zap once, learn forever. No different than anything else, >> really; > > I still believe that Xorg should make it harder to make

Re: Poll: Should Xorg change from using Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to something harder for users to press by accident?

2008-09-22 Thread Jason Spiro
Corbin Simpson gmail.com> writes: ... > Seriously, no. Your vote has been duly noted. > Zap once, learn forever. No different than anything else, > really; I still believe that Xorg should make it harder to make the mistake of an accidental zap. > ever heard of "press Alt+F4 to make it go fast

Re: Poll: Should Xorg change from using Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to something harder for users to press by accident?

2008-09-22 Thread Jason Spiro
Igor Mozolevsky hybrid-lab.co.uk> wrote: ... > Unfortunately, there's no cure for human > stupidity There's no cure, but there are workarounds. > Doesn't CTRL+ALT+DELETE reboot the machine unconditionally? Not usually. It used to reboot unconditionally way back. But, fifteen years ago, when

Re: Poll: Should Xorg change from using Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to something harder for users to press by accident?

2008-09-22 Thread Igor Mozolevsky
2008/9/23 Jason Spiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Igor Mozolevsky hybrid-lab.co.uk> writes: > >> just because users >> incompetently press the combination, doesn't mean it's a bad one. > > I respectfully disagree. Accidental zaps often cause data loss. Data loss is > always unacceptable and Xorg shou

Re: Poll: Should Xorg change from using Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to something harder for users to press by accident?

2008-09-22 Thread Tiago Vignatti
Jason Spiro escreveu: > Tiago Vignatti c3sl.ufpr.br> wrote: >> The "DontZap" option in xorg.conf isn't enough for you? `man 5 xorg.conf` > > It would work fine for me. But it's not good enough for most users, since > most > Xorg users don't know how to edit their xorg.conf files. > > You could

Re: Poll: Should Xorg change from using Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to something harder for users to press by accident?

2008-09-22 Thread Corbin Simpson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jason Spiro wrote: > Problem: Many[1] users have killed X by accident.[2] > > Solution idea: Make it harder to kill X by accident. E.g. you could > change the key sequence users must press. >* Maybe require Control+Alt+Backspace then Control-Alt

Re: Poll: Should Xorg change from using Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to something harder for users to press by accident?

2008-09-22 Thread Jason Spiro
Tiago Vignatti c3sl.ufpr.br> wrote: > > The "DontZap" option in xorg.conf isn't enough for you? `man 5 xorg.conf` It would work fine for me. But it's not good enough for most users, since most Xorg users don't know how to edit their xorg.conf files. You could argue that distros could disable za

Re: Poll: Should Xorg change from using Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to something harder for users to press by accident?

2008-09-22 Thread Tiago Vignatti
Jason Spiro escreveu: > Problem: Many[1] users have killed X by accident.[2] > > Solution idea: Make it harder to kill X by accident. E.g. you could > change the key sequence users must press. >* Maybe require Control+Alt+Backspace then Control-Alt-Y.[3] >* Or require Control+K+X pressed

Re: Poll: Should Xorg change from using Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to something harder for users to press by accident?

2008-09-22 Thread Jason Spiro
Igor Mozolevsky hybrid-lab.co.uk> writes: > CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE is just the way to do it OK. That's one "no" vote, duly noted. Thank you for your vote. I will now respond to the rest of your comments. > just because users > incompetently press the combination, doesn't mean it's a bad one. I

Re: Poll: Should Xorg change from using Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to something harder for users to press by accident?

2008-09-22 Thread Igor Mozolevsky
2008/9/23 Jason Spiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Problem: Many[1] users have killed X by accident.[2] > > Solution idea: Make it harder to kill X by accident. E.g. you could > change the key sequence users must press. > * Maybe require Control+Alt+Backspace then Control-Alt-Y.[3] > * Or require

Poll: Should Xorg change from using Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to something harder for users to press by accident?

2008-09-22 Thread Jason Spiro
Problem: Many[1] users have killed X by accident.[2] Solution idea: Make it harder to kill X by accident. E.g. you could change the key sequence users must press. * Maybe require Control+Alt+Backspace then Control-Alt-Y.[3] * Or require Control+K+X pressed simultaneously. What do you thi

Re: Building X

2008-09-22 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:56:03AM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > Right then. -br is now the default. -retro gives you the old school > root window and cursor behavior. I don't understand why you don't leave the default as it was. Sureley the only situation where it is inconvenient to have t

Re: Current intel from git + xserver 1.5.0 + FreeBSD

2008-09-22 Thread Adam K Kirchhoff
On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:02:25 -0400 Adam K Kirchhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:09:45 -0400 > Adam K Kirchhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I'm trying to get that combination working on my i915 laptop, but > > I'm running into a problem... Namely, Xorg is cras

Re: Current intel from git + xserver 1.5.0 + FreeBSD

2008-09-22 Thread Adam K Kirchhoff
On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:09:45 -0400 Adam K Kirchhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm trying to get that combination working on my i915 laptop, but I'm > running into a problem... Namely, Xorg is crashing: > > X.Org X Server 1.5.0 > Release Date: > X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 > Build Op

Re: [PATCH] Don't remap windows for SaveSetUnmap

2008-09-22 Thread Keith Packard
On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 14:03 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: > Well, at least I understand now why you called it 'remap' :-) Patches > attached. Thanks. I edited your spec changes a bit but applied the code changes verbatim. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed

Current intel from git + xserver 1.5.0 + FreeBSD

2008-09-22 Thread Adam K Kirchhoff
I'm trying to get that combination working on my i915 laptop, but I'm running into a problem... Namely, Xorg is crashing: X.Org X Server 1.5.0 Release Date: X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE i386 Current Operating System: FreeBSD scroll.ashke.com 7.

current git head of Xserver segfaults on a keyhit

2008-09-22 Thread Lukas Hejtmanek
Hello, the current git head of the Xserver segfaults on any keystroke. Trace is attached: (I have the core file and all the binaries, if interested) Core was generated by `/usr/local/X11R7.5/bin/Xorg :1.0'. Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. [New process 28180] #0 0x7f02

Re: [PATCH] Don't remap windows for SaveSetUnmap

2008-09-22 Thread Owen Taylor
On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 10:14 -0700, Keith Packard wrote: > On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 11:05 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 17:27 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: > > > I found that > > > > > >XFixesChangeSaveSet (..., SaveSetRoot, SaveSetUnmap); > > > > > > isn't working as expected

Re: [PATCH] Don't remap windows for SaveSetUnmap

2008-09-22 Thread Keith Packard
On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 11:05 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 17:27 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: > > I found that > > > >XFixesChangeSaveSet (..., SaveSetRoot, SaveSetUnmap); > > > > isn't working as expected ... when the client terminates, the save-set > > window will be repar

Re: OpenGL is free free free software

2008-09-22 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 13:50 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 17:54 +0100, David Gerard wrote: > > http://www.linux.com/feature/148339 > > > > SGI used their "or later" privilege to upgrade to the X11 licence. w00t! > > I've updated the server source in git to reflect FreeB 2.0.

Re: Building Xephyr

2008-09-22 Thread Matthieu Herrb
Yan Seiner wrote: > I am new to building X. I'd like to take a shot at building Xephyr from git. > > I've been through the instructions on > http://www.x.org/wiki/Development/git but xserver doesn't appear to have > xephyr. > > Is there a list somewhere of what module contains which part? Wher

Re: [PATCH] xkb: fix core keyboard map generation. #14373

2008-09-22 Thread Daniel Stone
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 12:15:33PM +0930, Peter Hutterer wrote: > According to Section 12.4 of the XKB Protocol Spec, if a key only has a single > group but the keyboard has multiple groups defined, the core description of > the key is a duplication of the single group across all symbols. i.e. > G1

Re: [PATCH] Don't remap windows for SaveSetUnmap

2008-09-22 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 17:27 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: > I found that > >XFixesChangeSaveSet (..., SaveSetRoot, SaveSetUnmap); > > isn't working as expected ... when the client terminates, the save-set > window will be reparented to the root window, but the window manager > will get a MapRequ

Re: Building X

2008-09-22 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 16:55 -0700, Keith Packard wrote: > On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 13:52 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > > > You don't "ask for" the stipple though. It's the default. > > My point was that if you want to avoid the vintage X appearance, you'd > likely start the X server with a black roo

Building Xephyr

2008-09-22 Thread Yan Seiner
I am new to building X. I'd like to take a shot at building Xephyr from git. I've been through the instructions on http://www.x.org/wiki/Development/git but xserver doesn't appear to have xephyr. Is there a list somewhere of what module contains which part? Where do I find xephyr? Thanks, -

Re: [PATCH 0/3] X Input 1.5 device properties (final patches)

2008-09-22 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 18:08 +0930, Peter Hutterer wrote: > Here's the (hopefully) final patches to device properties in the server. > As mentioned in [1], Configure/Query property functionality and requests have > been culled. > > Patch 1 removes these requests. An updated inputproto is required a

Re: handling BTN_TOUCH in evdev driver

2008-09-22 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 08:56 +0200, Søren Hauberg wrote: > Hi, > I've making some changes tu the usbtouchscreen module to handle > calibration stuff (see another thread on this list). This module > currently emits BTN_TOUCH whenever the user touches the screen (I > haven't changed this). When I'm

Re: Optimization idea: soft XvPutImage

2008-09-22 Thread Eeri Kask
>> Even if you do not want to do stretch, I believe that the X Render >> extension would require first copying the YUV data to a drawable and >> then doing a drawable->drawable block transfer operation to do the >> YUV transformation. In comparison, XvPutImage is a single call >> takes an XImage,

Re: [PATCH 3/3] Xi: ask handlers before deletion of property.

2008-09-22 Thread Simon Thum
Peter Hutterer wrote: > Without the handler disallowing that, a client could potentially delete > properties that are "owned" by the server or a driver. Ooops, I thought you were keeping the fromClient bit internally. Now it makes much more sense :) Cheers, Simon ___

Re: [PATCH 3/3] Xi: ask handlers before deletion of property.

2008-09-22 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 11:30:59AM +0200, Simon Thum wrote: >> -DeviceSetProperty(DeviceIntPtr dev, Atom property, XIPropertyValuePtr prop) >> +DeviceSetProperty(DeviceIntPtr dev, Atom property, XIPropertyValuePtr prop, >> + BOOL delete) >> { >> if (property == XIGetKnownProp

Re: what card is well supported? recommendations?

2008-09-22 Thread Tino Keitel
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 11:27:29 +0200, Tomasz Chmielewski wrote: [...] > I looked a bit in X.org wiki, and it seems to me that Radeons with > chipsets R400 should be sufficient for me. Unfortunately it's hard for > me to find which chipset does a given Radeon card have (i.e. HD2400Pro - > doe

Re: [PATCH 3/3] Xi: ask handlers before deletion of property.

2008-09-22 Thread Simon Thum
Hi Peter, its good news you're done with that. A thing though: > -DeviceSetProperty(DeviceIntPtr dev, Atom property, XIPropertyValuePtr prop) > +DeviceSetProperty(DeviceIntPtr dev, Atom property, XIPropertyValuePtr prop, > + BOOL delete) > { > if (property == XIGetKnownProp

what card is well supported? recommendations?

2008-09-22 Thread Tomasz Chmielewski
As I'm tired of constant fighting with nvidia (and nvidia obsoleted my current graphics card, GeForce FX 5200), I'm looking for a graphics card which has open drivers and is well supported. If it matters, I use 32 bit Linux. I looked a bit in X.org wiki, and it seems to me that Radeons with chi

[PATCH 3/3] Xi: ask handlers before deletion of property.

2008-09-22 Thread Peter Hutterer
From: Peter Hutterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Add "delete" parameter to SetProperty handler, handlers can refuse to delete a property by returning something other than Success. --- Xi/xiproperty.c| 20 ++-- dix/devices.c |6 +- include/exevents.h |3 ++- include/

[PATCH 2/3] Xi: allow Set/GetProperties to return a status, and honour this status code.

2008-09-22 Thread Peter Hutterer
From: Peter Hutterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If a property handler now bails out, return the error code to the caller. This allows to be slightly more specific with the errors. --- Xi/xiproperty.c| 63 +-- dix/devices.c |7 ++--- include/

[PATCH 1/3] Xi: remove configure/query device property calls.

2008-09-22 Thread Peter Hutterer
From: Peter Hutterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This removes all the meta-information about device properties (pending, fromClient, range, valid_values, immutable). --- Xi/extinit.c | 58 +-- Xi/xiproperty.c| 282 Xi/xiproperty.h

[PATCH 0/3] X Input 1.5 device properties (final patches)

2008-09-22 Thread Peter Hutterer
Here's the (hopefully) final patches to device properties in the server. As mentioned in [1], Configure/Query property functionality and requests have been culled. Patch 1 removes these requests. An updated inputproto is required as well of course. Patch 2 allows property handlers to return status

Re: Optimization idea: soft XvPutImage

2008-09-22 Thread Adam Richter
--- On Mon, 9/22/08, Michel Dänzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 2008-09-21 at 13:58 +0200, Soeren Sandmann wrote: > > As other people pointed out, XRender does allow > arbitrary 3x3 > > transformations of source images, but you are right > that the XRender > > protocol would require putti

Re: Optimization idea: soft XvPutImage

2008-09-22 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Sun, 2008-09-21 at 13:58 +0200, Soeren Sandmann wrote: > Adam Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Even if you do not want to do stretch, I believe that the X Render > > extension would require first copying the YUV data to a drawable and > > then doing a drawable->drawable block transfer

Re: Keymap issues with Pointer+Keys device

2008-09-22 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:58:56AM +0200, Sascha Hlusiak wrote: > BTW: With MPX, having two key devices attached to the first master device > works fine, regarding the keymap. When creating a second master and attaching > a keyboard to that, key presses seem to use the keymap of the first master