Nix wrote:
On 1 Dec 2008, David Miller verbalised:
A default that, btw, anti-socially totally ignores what people put
into their xorg.conf file unless they add yet another knob. That's
worse than a default change.
What's worse yet is that hal is the single most unstable daemon I
On 1 Dec 2008, David Miller verbalised:
A default that, btw, anti-socially totally ignores what people put
into their xorg.conf file unless they add yet another knob. That's
worse than a default change.
What's worse yet is that hal is the single most unstable daemon I have
*ever* run on any
On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 11:10 -0800, Alan Coopersmith wrote:
Xavier Bestel wrote:
On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 16:58 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le Lun 1 décembre 2008 16:47, Alexander E. Patrakov a écrit :
Apriori, there is no sensible default keyboard layout.
There could be if the hardware
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 09:56:11 +, Colin Guthrie wrote:
So assuming a netbook with built in touch pad and USB mouse, if X is
started prior to HAL, it will find it's built-in devices no problem (as
they've been saved in xorg.conf) and start using them, and later, when
HAL starts, it
Daniel Stone wrote:
Well, yes. If you're using HAL, then you're using evdev. If you're
using HAL to tell X that you're using another driver, then you're using
another driver. Oh yeah, and HAL won't add the same UDI twice.
So the correct solution here is to not use the mouse driver as per
Le Lun 1 décembre 2008 08:19, David Miller a écrit :
But what I spend most of my time doing is figuring out what new
default breaks Xorg on my system. This was one of them.
The other one was the internal fonts stuff with the X server, which
caused me to lose my Emacs international fonts.
Twas brillig at 11:38:21 01.12.2008 UTC+05 when [EMAIL PROTECTED] did gyre and
gimble:
AEP Then it may be a good idea to write such client (even without the pop-up,
AEP a static default stored in the configuration file will also work) and add
AEP it to xorg-apps as an example implementation
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 09:49:29AM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
IIRC even SUN was told in no incertain terms
it could forget its own next-gen font system because everyone that
mattered had adopted fontconfig
I may be completely wrong on this one, but ISTR one of the problems with
STSF (aside
Twas brillig at 20:22:30 01.12.2008 UTC+11 when [EMAIL PROTECTED] did gyre and
gimble:
DS [0]: Emacs in 'utter luddites' shock.
Not anymore.
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From: Nicolas Mailhot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:49:29 +0100 (CET)
Ironically fontconfig was adopted in large part because the core fonts
system had major problems with internationalization.
Ironically you didn't read my posting.
I'm not against any of this stuff, I'm against
Le Lun 1 décembre 2008 10:39, David Miller a écrit :
From: Nicolas Mailhot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:49:29 +0100 (CET)
Ironically fontconfig was adopted in large part because the core
fonts
system had major problems with internationalization.
Ironically you didn't read
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:39:32AM -0800, David Miller wrote:
From: Nicolas Mailhot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:49:29 +0100 (CET)
Ironically fontconfig was adopted in large part because the core fonts
system had major problems with internationalization.
Ironically you
From: Nicolas Mailhot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:58:17 +0100 (CET)
If there is somethign obvious here, is that emacs maintainers didn't
made due diligence by any reasonable definition. Even the kernel made
major changes (devfs, sysfs, etc) in the time it took for emacs folks
From: Daniel Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:05:46 +1100
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:39:32AM -0800, David Miller wrote:
From: Nicolas Mailhot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:49:29 +0100 (CET)
Ironically fontconfig was adopted in large part because the core
Le Lun 1 décembre 2008 11:19, David Miller a écrit :
From: Nicolas Mailhot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:58:17 +0100 (CET)
If there is somethign obvious here, is that emacs maintainers didn't
made due diligence by any reasonable definition. Even the kernel
made
major changes
From: Nicolas Mailhot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:26:51 +0100 (CET)
Le Lun 1 décembre 2008 11:19, David Miller a écrit :
From: Nicolas Mailhot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:58:17 +0100 (CET)
If there is somethign obvious here, is that emacs maintainers
David == David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
David Yet my emacs fonts are fux0red, my input device specifications in
David my xorg.conf file are completely ignored, and MetaSendsEscape no
David longer works with my xterms, with the current X server.
Using --disable-config-dbus
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008, James Cloos wrote:
David == David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
David Yet my emacs fonts are fux0red, my input device specifications in
David my xorg.conf file are completely ignored, and MetaSendsEscape no
David longer works with my xterms, with the current X server.
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:38 PM, Alexander E. Patrakov
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is traditionally the default only in Xorg. If you get a Russian
version of Windows 2000 or XP, Russian will be the default, with the
possibility to switch to English with Alt+Shift. Also, even in the US
Daniel Stone wrote:
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 10:47:06AM +0500, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote:
Also, currently, for unconfigured Xorg, such newly-added keyboard gets
the us layout. This is also a hard-coded policy, should we remove it?
Ignoring both the rhetoric and the fact that neither of
Hi,
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:33:02PM +, Colin Guthrie wrote:
James Cloos wrote:
Using --disable-config-dbus --disable-config-hal when configuring will
drop the input mess and use the spec from xorg.conf.
Having just experienced this exact issue, I don't think this is correct.
The
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 08:47:02PM +0500, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote:
2008/12/1 Corbin Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Now, the big difference between HAL and udev is that udev sets its defaults
based on LSB. I don't know whether or not LSB has anything to say about
keyboard layouts, or what
Le Lun 1 décembre 2008 16:47, Alexander E. Patrakov a écrit :
Apriori, there is no sensible default keyboard layout.
There could be if the hardware started advertising what actually
painted on its keys (and even then many people would want to override
it). Since it does not, you're right.
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Twas brillig at 16:58:42 01.12.2008 UTC+01 when [EMAIL PROTECTED] did gyre and
gimble:
Apriori, there is no sensible default keyboard layout.
NM There could be if the hardware started advertising what actually
NM painted on its keys
/me wonders what Happy Hacking Blank Top keyboards would
Apriori, there is no sensible default keyboard layout.
Yes, there is, and it's called US. This isn't being Anglo-centric or
Which US layout - there are several and then you get all the variants
with extra funny buttons for internet etc ?
anything, and I'm not going to argue the point.
On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 16:58 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le Lun 1 décembre 2008 16:47, Alexander E. Patrakov a écrit :
Apriori, there is no sensible default keyboard layout.
There could be if the hardware started advertising what actually
painted on its keys (and even then many people
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 04:11:46PM +, Alan Cox wrote:
Apriori, there is no sensible default keyboard layout.
Yes, there is, and it's called US. This isn't being Anglo-centric or
Which US layout - there are several and then you get all the variants
with extra funny buttons for
Daniel Stone wrote:
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Daniel Stone wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:33:02PM +, Colin Guthrie wrote:
James Cloos wrote:
Using --disable-config-dbus --disable-config-hal when configuring will
drop the input mess and use the spec from xorg.conf.
Having just experienced this exact issue, I don't think this
Peter Hutterer wrote:
Pretty much the same behaviour when you remove mouse/kbd, btw.
Yeah I guess I can't argue with that logic ;)
Col
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On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 01:39 -0800, David Miller wrote:
I'm not against any of this stuff, I'm against it being
done by default which breaks things on existing systems
that try to build GIT xorg and help you guys test things.
In the particular case of --disable-builtin-fonts, I think 'only
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 04:18:36AM -0200, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote:
One possible solution, that I proposed some time ago (but got no
response) would be to add something like an UDI option to input
devices. So, one could have something like this in his xorg.conf:
Section
Twas brillig at 10:28:24 01.12.2008 UTC+10 when [EMAIL PROTECTED] did gyre and
gimble:
PH Most other settings in the more popular input drivers are now
PH configurable at runtime too (where now == server 1.6), so you
PH basically just have to convince your DE to provide pretty
PH interfaces
Peter Hutterer wrote:
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 09:17:47PM +0500, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote:
However, xorg gets things like keyboard layouts from HAL. This is also
policy, and also important to get i18n right. But, for some reason, this
is allowed to exist in HAL, and default mount options
Peter Hutterer wrote:
adding the list back
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 09:55:03AM +0500, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote:
Obvious problem: it is too late to set the keyboard layout in the
desktop environment. The user has to type the login and the password
into the display manager, and the
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 10:47:06AM +0500, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote:
Also, currently, for unconfigured Xorg, such newly-added keyboard gets
the us layout. This is also a hard-coded policy, should we remove it?
Ignoring both the rhetoric and the fact that neither of the input
maintainers are
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 10:47:06AM +0500, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote:
Peter Hutterer wrote:
adding the list back
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 09:55:03AM +0500, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote:
Obvious problem: it is too late to set the keyboard layout in the
desktop environment. The user has to
Peter Hutterer wrote:
I was referring to DE as a concept, not as a specific implementation. It
counts as part of whatever you're running afterwards, may be gnome, kde,
xfce or my-happy-bunch-of-shellscripts.
OK. Anyway, my point about XDM as the example implementation not
following the modern
I just want to voice my dislike of the HAL input layer stuff, but just
that it's the default. Right now that doesn't make any sense.
I try to keep uptodate with current GIT to make sure sparc doesn't
break.
But what I spend most of my time doing is figuring out what new
default breaks Xorg on
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