Re: Not solved! (was Re: client-side font rendering very very slow in X.org xserver 1.5.3 w/r200: massive fetches from VRAM, why?)

2009-02-05 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 18:23 +, Nix wrote: > I said: > > 1.5: EXA, 16, AA: dixLookupPrivate 23.17 > > generally much faster than XAA, occasionally degrades > > to > > XAA speed > > 1.5: EXA, 24, AA: dixLookupPrivate 26.83 > > 1.6: EXA, 16,

Not solved! (was Re: client-side font rendering very very slow in X.org xserver 1.5.3 w/r200: massive fetches from VRAM, why?)

2009-02-05 Thread Nix
I said: > 1.5: EXA, 16, AA: dixLookupPrivate 23.17 > generally much faster than XAA, occasionally degrades to > XAA speed > 1.5: EXA, 24, AA: dixLookupPrivate 26.83 > 1.6: EXA, 16, AA: exaBufferGlyph 5.74 (X: 49.42); xterm: 9.48; kernel: > 20

Re: Solved! (was Re: client-side font rendering very very slow in X.org xserver 1.5.3 w/r200: massive fetches from VRAM, why?)

2009-02-05 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 09:33 Thu 05 Feb , Colin Guthrie wrote: > 'Twas brillig, and Michel Dänzer at 05/02/09 08:15 did gyre and gimble: > > On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 00:29 +, Nix wrote: > >> augh! blasted --disable-builtin-fonts, why isn't it the default? > > > > It's gone in Git master, the builtins are always

Re: Solved! (was Re: client-side font rendering very very slow in X.org xserver 1.5.3 w/r200: massive fetches from VRAM, why?)

2009-02-05 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Michel Dänzer at 05/02/09 08:15 did gyre and gimble: > On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 00:29 +, Nix wrote: >> augh! blasted --disable-builtin-fonts, why isn't it the default? > > It's gone in Git master, the builtins are always available as a fallback > for the real FontPath now. Ther

Re: Solved! (was Re: client-side font rendering very very slow in X.org xserver 1.5.3 w/r200: massive fetches from VRAM, why?)

2009-02-05 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 00:29 +, Nix wrote: > > augh! blasted --disable-builtin-fonts, why isn't it the default? It's gone in Git master, the builtins are always available as a fallback for the real FontPath now. There's discussion about merging this nice solution for 1.6. > but the most sign

Solved! (was Re: client-side font rendering very very slow in X.org xserver 1.5.3 w/r200: massive fetches from VRAM, why?)

2009-02-04 Thread Nix
On 3 Feb 2009, Dan Nicholson uttered the following: > The output isn't quite what I'd expect, but I think this is because > it's using the builtin fonts only. Try rebuilding the server with > --disable-builtin-fonts, or apply this patch that's a candidate for augh! blasted --disable-builtin-fonts,

Re: client-side font rendering very very slow in X.org xserver 1.5.3 w/r200: massive fetches from VRAM, why?

2009-02-03 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Tue, 2009-02-03 at 23:26 +, Nix wrote: > > [dix] Could not init font path element /usr/lib/X11/fonts/OTF, removing from > list! > > It's hard to check the scrolling behaviour of antialiased and fixed-point text > when the only font you have is 'fixed' :) Well, FWIW this only affects core

Re: client-side font rendering very very slow in X.org xserver 1.5.3 w/r200: massive fetches from VRAM, why?

2009-02-03 Thread Dan Nicholson
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Nix wrote: > On 31 Jan 2009, Michel Dänzer said: > >> On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 21:59 +, Nix wrote: >>> On 30 Jan 2009, Michel Dänzer stated: >>> >Trying current xf86-video-ati Git might be good, but my main suggestion >>> >would be to try xserver Git server-1.6-bra

Re: client-side font rendering very very slow in X.org xserver 1.5.3 w/r200: massive fetches from VRAM, why?

2009-02-03 Thread Nix
On 31 Jan 2009, Michel Dänzer said: > On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 21:59 +, Nix wrote: >> On 30 Jan 2009, Michel Dänzer stated: >> >Trying current xf86-video-ati Git might be good, but my main suggestion >> >would be to try xserver Git server-1.6-branch with EXA. >> >> OK. Do I need to upgrade Mesa

Re: client-side font rendering very very slow in X.org xserver 1.5.3 w/r200: massive fetches from VRAM, why?

2009-02-02 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 2 février 2009 00:23, Nix a écrit : >> I think the Fedora 12 cycle will probably start by mass bug-filling >> against apps that need those symlinks. > > The annoying pedant in me looks at the 'exposing all our fonts' goal > and > wonders how you're planning to expose metafont fonts in fon

Re: client-side font rendering very very slow in X.org xserver 1.5.3 w/r200: massive fetches from VRAM, why?

2009-02-01 Thread Nix
On 1 Feb 2009, Nicolas Mailhot uttered the following: > From a distribution point of view, apps which use fontconfig almost > never present problems (because fontconfig will do all kinds of smart > stuff like substituting missing fonts transparently), while apps that > use core fonts have a long co

Re: client-side font rendering very very slow in X.org xserver 1.5.3 w/r200: massive fetches from VRAM, why?

2009-02-01 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le dimanche 01 février 2009 à 12:54 +, Nix a écrit : > On 31 Jan 2009, Michel Dänzer outgrape: > > I think a big part of the motivation for client side fonts was indeed > > anti-aliasing, so if you don't want AA and core fonts are faster for > > you, just use core fonts? > > That's Not really

Re: client-side font rendering very very slow in X.org xserver 1.5.3 w/r200: massive fetches from VRAM, why?

2009-02-01 Thread Nix
On 31 Jan 2009, Michel Dänzer outgrape: > On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 21:59 +, Nix wrote: >> On 30 Jan 2009, Michel Dänzer stated: >> >Trying current xf86-video-ati Git might be good, but my main suggestion >> >would be to try xserver Git server-1.6-branch with EXA. >> >> OK. Do I need to upgrade Me

Re: client-side font rendering very very slow in X.org xserver 1.5.3 w/r200: massive fetches from VRAM, why?

2009-01-31 Thread Jim Gettys
On Sat, 2009-01-31 at 15:58 +0100, Michel Dänzer wrote: > > I think a big part of the motivation for client side fonts was indeed > anti-aliasing, so if you don't want AA and core fonts are faster for > you, just use core fonts? > Actually, the data showed that start up time was terribly affect

Re: client-side font rendering very very slow in X.org xserver 1.5.3 w/r200: massive fetches from VRAM, why?

2009-01-31 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 21:59 +, Nix wrote: > On 30 Jan 2009, Michel Dänzer stated: > >Trying current xf86-video-ati Git might be good, but my main suggestion > >would be to try xserver Git server-1.6-branch with EXA. > > OK. Do I need to upgrade Mesa or anything related at the same time? > (I'

Re: client-side font rendering very very slow in X.org xserver 1.5.3 w/r200: massive fetches from VRAM, why?

2009-01-30 Thread Nix
On 30 Jan 2009, Michel Dänzer stated: >Trying current xf86-video-ati Git might be good, but my main suggestion >would be to try xserver Git server-1.6-branch with EXA. OK. Do I need to upgrade Mesa or anything related at the same time? (I'm currently on libdrm 2.4.1, Mesa a few commits past 7.2.0

Re: client-side font rendering very very slow in X.org xserver 1.5.3 w/r200: massive fetches from VRAM, why?

2009-01-30 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 21:16 +, Nix wrote: > I'm posting this here rather than reporting this on bz mainly because > something very similar has been reported on this list by at least one > other person in the past few months[1]: at the time, the assumption was > that this was Intel-card- related

Re: client-side font rendering very very slow in X.org xserver 1.5.3 w/r200: massive fetches from VRAM, why?

2009-01-29 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 23:02 +0100, Clemens Eisserer wrote: > > Are you using the same version of kde on both systems? IIRC kde 4 > > switched to using a1 surfaces for font rendering which isn't currently > > accelerated by EXA. Notice the _a1 fetch below. > I've seen quite many different reports

Re: client-side font rendering very very slow in X.org xserver 1.5.3 w/r200: massive fetches from VRAM, why?

2009-01-29 Thread Clemens Eisserer
> Are you using the same version of kde on both systems? IIRC kde 4 > switched to using a1 surfaces for font rendering which isn't currently > accelerated by EXA. Notice the _a1 fetch below. I've seen quite many different reports about slow EXA which turned out to be caused by the A1 mask format

Re: client-side font rendering very very slow in X.org xserver 1.5.3 w/r200: massive fetches from VRAM, why?

2009-01-29 Thread Nix
On 29 Jan 2009, Alex Deucher uttered the following: > Are you using the same version of kde on both systems? IIRC kde 4 > switched to using a1 surfaces for font rendering which isn't currently > accelerated by EXA. Notice the _a1 fetch below. No change there: KDE 3.5.9 across the board, although

Re: client-side font rendering very very slow in X.org xserver 1.5.3 w/r200: massive fetches from VRAM, why?

2009-01-29 Thread Alex Deucher
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Nix wrote: > I'm posting this here rather than reporting this on bz mainly because > something very similar has been reported on this list by at least one > other person in the past few months[1]: at the time, the assumption was > that this was Intel-card- related.