Re: companies contributing to X

2010-11-29 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Eirik Byrkjeflot Anonsen wrote: > Not competitors to X.Org, but competitors to their company. If they > improve X.Org, they also improve the software stack of their > competitors. Also, if they have a good market share, a common software > stack (like X.Org) makes it easier for their customers to

Re: companies contributing to X

2010-11-28 Thread Eirik Byrkjeflot Anonsen
Matt Dew writes: > On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 5:36 AM, Eirik Byrkjeflot Anonsen > wrote: [...] >> I can see some reasons why companies would not want to contribute and >> also not want to say why: >> >> - They wish X.Org would just go away, because then they think they'll >>  have less competition.

Re: Documentation conversion status [was: Re: companies contributing to X]

2010-11-28 Thread Jeremy Huddleston
Thanks a lot for this update and the work in general. I know it was very difficult for me to get involved, and even now I'm only comfortable in a few corners of X11. In addition to making it easier for new contributors, this work will make it easier for existing contributors to expand their in

Re: companies contributing to X

2010-11-27 Thread Matt Dew
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 5:36 AM, Eirik Byrkjeflot Anonsen wrote: > Luc Verhaegen writes: > >> On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 02:56:32PM -0700, Matt Dew wrote: >>> This I'm curious about.   Are there more companies that feel it's >>> too-hard/not-worth-while for companies to contribute stuff to Xorg? >>>

Documentation conversion status [was: Re: companies contributing to X]

2010-11-27 Thread Matt Dew
As many of you know, with some guidance from Alan, Gaetan and I have been quietly slugging through converting the in-tree documentation to docbook/xml. With the goal of having attractive, usable documentation that's easy to edit and generate html,pdf,ps and text, with an emphasis on consistency ac

Re: companies contributing to X [was: Re: Respository vandalism by r...@...fd.o]

2010-11-26 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Matthew Garrett wrote: > The lack of documentation for various aspects of the server doesn't help > either. I found X development far more intimidating than getting > involved in the kernel. That is something we know we've been lacking for a long time, and have been working to correct. So far

Re: companies contributing to X [was: Re: Respository vandalism by r...@...fd.o]

2010-11-25 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 09:23:38PM +, Alan Cox wrote: > > but simply being more enthusiastic about accepting contributions doesn't > > seem like a great plan (compare the code quality of nouveau, intel and > > radeon to that of some of the out of tree drivers, for instance) > > I think that

Re: companies contributing to X [was: Re: Respository vandalism by r...@...fd.o]

2010-11-25 Thread Alan Cox
> but simply being more enthusiastic about accepting contributions doesn't > seem like a great plan (compare the code quality of nouveau, intel and > radeon to that of some of the out of tree drivers, for instance) I think that is a little naïve. There is a difference between vendors attempting

Re: companies contributing to X [was: Re: Respository vandalism by r...@...fd.o]

2010-11-25 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 02:56:32PM -0700, Matt Dew wrote: > This I'm curious about. Are there more companies that feel it's > too-hard/not-worth-while for companies to contribute stuff to Xorg? > I know the linux kernel has this issue, but is X's contribution > difficulty larger? I think X face

Re: companies contributing to X

2010-11-25 Thread Eirik Byrkjeflot Anonsen
Luc Verhaegen writes: > On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 02:56:32PM -0700, Matt Dew wrote: >> This I'm curious about. Are there more companies that feel it's >> too-hard/not-worth-while for companies to contribute stuff to Xorg? >> I know the linux kernel has this issue, but is X's contribution >> diffi

Re: companies contributing to X [was: Re: Respository vandalism by r...@...fd.o]

2010-11-24 Thread Luc Verhaegen
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 02:56:32PM -0700, Matt Dew wrote: > > But you also might want to consider that i was at a hardware vendor two > > weeks ago, and i had to listen to their main engineer calling > > contributing directly to X a waste of time, and that they rather fix > > the versions their cus

Re: companies contributing to X [was: Re: Respository vandalism by r...@...fd.o]

2010-11-24 Thread Pat Kane
Matt, I think what you are asking is: "is the Microsoft FUD working?" The answer is: "yes". Should we roll over and play dead? No, not me. Freedom, as in "free range", Pat --- On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Matt Dew wrote: > This I'm curious about.   Are there more companies that feel

companies contributing to X [was: Re: Respository vandalism by r...@...fd.o]

2010-11-24 Thread Matt Dew
> But you also might want to consider that i was at a hardware vendor two > weeks ago, and i had to listen to their main engineer calling > contributing directly to X a waste of time, and that they rather fix > the versions their customers ship, and hand the patches to their > customers directly, n