Re: New release process for 1.8 (READ THIS)

2009-10-05 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 2009-10-02 at 21:06 +0200, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz wrote: > On Friday 02 of October 2009, Ping wrote: > > > I think moving drivers into xserver tree benefits both driver and xserver > > developers as well as distro maintainers. > > As distro maintainer I hated monolitic X. It's was nightmar

Re: New release process for 1.8 (READ THIS)

2009-10-05 Thread Adam Jackson
On Fri, 2009-10-02 at 13:18 +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: > That said, e.g., what will happen with drivers which can't or don't want > to be in the xserver tree? Like GPL input drivers, or the Gallium Xorg > state tracker, which really wants to live in the Gallium tree at least > for the time being.

Re: New release process for 1.8 (READ THIS)

2009-10-02 Thread Ping
2009/10/2 Arkadiusz Miskiewicz > On Friday 02 of October 2009, Ping wrote: > > > I think moving drivers into xserver tree benefits both driver and xserver > > developers as well as distro maintainers. > > As distro maintainer I hated monolitic X. It's was nightmare to patch it > and > fix some bu

Re: New release process for 1.8 (READ THIS)

2009-10-02 Thread Jeremy Huddleston
On Oct 2, 2009, at 12:06, Arkadiusz Miskiewicz wrote: On Friday 02 of October 2009, Ping wrote: I think moving drivers into xserver tree benefits both driver and xserver developers as well as distro maintainers. As distro maintainer I hated monolitic X. It's was nightmare to patch it an

Re: New release process for 1.8 (READ THIS)

2009-10-02 Thread Arkadiusz Miskiewicz
On Friday 02 of October 2009, Ping wrote: > I think moving drivers into xserver tree benefits both driver and xserver > developers as well as distro maintainers. As distro maintainer I hated monolitic X. It's was nightmare to patch it and fix some build issues. Modular drivers are very nice for

Re: New release process for 1.8 (READ THIS)

2009-10-02 Thread Eric Anholt
On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 11:59 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote: > On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 18:35 -0700, Daniel Stone wrote: > > Hi all, > > Following on from Peter's email about the 1.8/7.6 release process[0], we > > had a BoF about the same[1] at XDC. Everyone broadly agreed on the > > substance of Peter's ma

Re: New release process for 1.8 (READ THIS)

2009-10-02 Thread Ping
2009/10/2 Michel Dänzer > On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 08:26 -0700, Daniel Stone wrote: > > > There were a couple of different motivations for this, one was to make > > building things a great deal easier > Would it really? IME complications have mostly been due to things like > protos, not directly bet

Re: New release process for 1.8 (READ THIS)

2009-10-02 Thread Jesse Barnes
On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 13:18:38 +0200 Michel Dänzer wrote: > > What're your concerns? > > First of all, surely the onus is on those who want to move the drivers > into the xserver tree to present convincing arguments in support of > it. I think you've been present at some of the earlier conferences

Re: New release process for 1.8 (READ THIS)

2009-10-02 Thread Alex Deucher
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 10:14:23AM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: >> On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 11:59 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote: >> > So I feel locking down master is going to get messy fast, I agree >> > all major developments should be done on branch

Re: New release process for 1.8 (READ THIS)

2009-10-02 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 08:26 -0700, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 10:14:23AM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: > > On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 11:59 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote: > > > So I feel locking down master is going to get messy fast, I agree > > > all major developments should be done on

Re: New release process for 1.8 (READ THIS)

2009-10-01 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 08:04:08AM -0700, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 01:36:39AM -0700, Jeremy Huddleston wrote: > > On Sep 30, 2009, at 19:43, Peter Hutterer wrote: > >> Question: tree on people.fdo or branch on the main repo? > >> branches on the main repo have the advantage of

Re: New release process for 1.8 (READ THIS)

2009-10-01 Thread Ping
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Dave Airlie wrote: > On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 18:35 -0700, Daniel Stone wrote: > > Hi all, > > Following on from Peter's email about the 1.8/7.6 release process[0], we > > had a BoF about the same[1] at XDC. Everyone broadly agreed on the > > substance of Peter's m

Re: New release process for 1.8 (READ THIS)

2009-10-01 Thread Daniel Stone
On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 10:14:23AM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote: > On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 11:59 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote: > > So I feel locking down master is going to get messy fast, I agree > > all major developments should be done on branches, but we have many > > incremental improvements in areas

Re: New release process for 1.8 (READ THIS)

2009-10-01 Thread Daniel Stone
Hi, On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 01:36:39AM -0700, Jeremy Huddleston wrote: > On Sep 30, 2009, at 19:43, Peter Hutterer wrote: >> Question: tree on people.fdo or branch on the main repo? >> branches on the main repo have the advantage of the commit list which >> provides some chance for patch review. >

Re: New release process for 1.8 (READ THIS)

2009-10-01 Thread Jeremy Huddleston
On Sep 30, 2009, at 19:43, Peter Hutterer wrote: Development model: xserver master will be closed to general commits; it will be owned by the RM, or one of their delegates. Again, DO NOT COMMIT DIRECTLY TO XSERVER MASTER. Everyone should have their own xserver trees, and/or one per subsyste

Re: New release process for 1.8 (READ THIS)

2009-10-01 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 11:59 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote: > On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 18:35 -0700, Daniel Stone wrote: > > Hi all, > > Following on from Peter's email about the 1.8/7.6 release process[0], we > > had a BoF about the same[1] at XDC. Everyone broadly agreed on the > > substance of Peter's m

Re: New release process for 1.8 (READ THIS)

2009-09-30 Thread Daniel Stone
Hi, On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 11:59:05AM +1000, Dave Airlie wrote: > My main issue with this is, while we'd like to be the kernel, we have in > no way got the developer/testers bandwidth they have. Generally when > developing a feature for the kernel, you can find someone else to > interact with whi

Re: New release process for 1.8 (READ THIS)

2009-09-30 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 7:29 AM, Dave Airlie wrote: > My main issue with this is, while we'd like to be the kernel, we have in > no way got the developer/testers bandwidth they have. Generally when > developing a feature for the kernel, you can find someone else to > interact with while you write t

Re: New release process for 1.8 (READ THIS)

2009-09-30 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 11:59:05AM +1000, Dave Airlie wrote: > On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 18:35 -0700, Daniel Stone wrote: > > Hi all, > > Following on from Peter's email about the 1.8/7.6 release process[0], we > > had a BoF about the same[1] at XDC. Everyone broadly agreed on the > > substance of Pet

Re: New release process for 1.8 (READ THIS)

2009-09-30 Thread Dave Airlie
On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 18:35 -0700, Daniel Stone wrote: > Hi all, > Following on from Peter's email about the 1.8/7.6 release process[0], we > had a BoF about the same[1] at XDC. Everyone broadly agreed on the > substance of Peter's mail, and here are our rough conclusions. > > Release process: We

New release process for 1.8 (READ THIS)

2009-09-30 Thread Daniel Stone
Hi all, Following on from Peter's email about the 1.8/7.6 release process[0], we had a BoF about the same[1] at XDC. Everyone broadly agreed on the substance of Peter's mail, and here are our rough conclusions. Release process: We're going to aim for a six-month release process, as Peter outlined