[Yade-dev] [Bug 493102] Re: NormalShearInteraction::{normalForce, shearForce} has undefined orientation

2010-12-01 Thread Václav Šmilauer
Marking wontfix as no-one cares enough to put some work in it. ** Changed in: yade Status: Confirmed => Won't Fix -- NormalShearInteraction::{normalForce,shearForce} has undefined orientation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/493102 You received this bug notification because you are a membe

[Yade-dev] [Bug 493102] Re: NormalShearInteraction::{normalForce, shearForce} has undefined orientation

2010-05-28 Thread Chareyre
Vaclav, I was just sarcasticaly playing the role of the contact law freak. Horrible idea apparently. Speaking seriously then : You didn't get the implicit in the sarcasm. In my vision, your model belongs to the family of "multibody systems" even if interactions reflect the microscale behaviour of

[Yade-dev] [Bug 493102] Re: NormalShearInteraction::{normalForce, shearForce} has undefined orientation

2010-05-27 Thread Václav Šmilauer
> what the hell continuum mechanics as to do with interactions in multibody > systems? They happen to be computed by the same program of which I happen to be the main dev currently. Voting about such things is really a bad idea. Branch contact+geomechanics yade version where you make everything

Re: [Yade-dev] [Bug 493102] Re: NormalShearInteraction::{normalForce, shearForce} has undefined orientation

2010-05-24 Thread Chareyre
> OK, my list of weird people has 2 items now: > > * gomechanicians > * contact law freaks > > Haha! I fell like a contact law freak more than a geomechanician. The contact law freak asks Vaclav : what the hell continuum mechanics as to do with interactions in multibody systems? ;) There are

Re: [Yade-dev] [Bug 493102] Re: NormalShearInteraction::{normalForce, shearForce} has undefined orientation

2010-05-24 Thread chiara modenese
2010/5/24 Václav Šmilauer > OK, my list of weird people has 2 items now: > > * gomechanicians > * contact law freaks > > Seriously, though (and with all due respect), for me the reference is > continuum mechanics; in structural engineering (presumably in mechanical > engineering as well), in FEM

[Yade-dev] [Bug 493102] Re: NormalShearInteraction::{normalForce, shearForce} has undefined orientation

2010-05-24 Thread Václav Šmilauer
OK, my list of weird people has 2 items now: * gomechanicians * contact law freaks Seriously, though (and with all due respect), for me the reference is continuum mechanics; in structural engineering (presumably in mechanical engineering as well), in FEM etc etc, outer normal is used, leading to

Re: [Yade-dev] [Bug 493102] Re: NormalShearInteraction::{normalForce, shearForce} has undefined orientation

2010-05-23 Thread Václav Šmilauer
> I see this is not linked to milestone 0.5. Perhaps it is not an urgent > need, maybe we just keep it in mind for the future. I was thinking about that, but someone would have to state the commitment to fix it very soon. We will keep it in mind with the help of the tracker hopefully :-) ___

Re: [Yade-dev] [Bug 493102] Re: NormalShearInteraction::{normalForce, shearForce} has undefined orientation

2010-05-23 Thread chiara modenese
I see this is not linked to milestone 0.5. Perhaps it is not an urgent need, maybe we just keep it in mind for the future. cheers, Chiara On 23 May 2010 19:54, Chiara Modenese wrote: > In Classical Mechanics the convention is compression negative and > tension positive. However, in Contact Mecha

[Yade-dev] [Bug 493102] Re: NormalShearInteraction::{normalForce, shearForce} has undefined orientation

2010-05-23 Thread Chiara Modenese
In Classical Mechanics the convention is compression negative and tension positive. However, in Contact Mechanics (see Hertzian theory as well as Johnsons et al.) the convention holds a positive sign for compression and a negative one for tension (e.g. adhesion normal force is negative whether pres

[Yade-dev] [Bug 493102] Re: NormalShearInteraction::{normalForce, shearForce} has undefined orientation

2010-03-22 Thread Václav Šmilauer
Discussed in this thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/yade- us...@lists.launchpad.net/msg01285.html -- NormalShearInteraction::{normalForce,shearForce} has undefined orientation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/493102 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Yade developers,

Re: [Yade-dev] [Bug 493102] Re: NormalShearInteraction::{normalForce, shearForce} has undefined orientation

2010-01-01 Thread Chareyre
You are right on the "geotechnical" sign convention. But don't worry, it is consistent with elasticity (you just replace outward normals by inward normals everywhere in the theory). I prefer to keep the most common convention though, with positive tensile stress/strain. I just didn't realize th

[Yade-dev] [Bug 493102] Re: NormalShearInteraction::{normalForce, shearForce} has undefined orientation

2010-01-01 Thread Václav Šmilauer
OTOH, if force is as applied on b2, then force ⋅ normal is positive when it is pressure (which is conventionally negative, at least in mechanics I know; IIRC geotechnicians use + for pressure, but the is not consistent with elasticity theory I think). -- NormalShearInteraction::{normalForce,shear

[Yade-dev] [Bug 493102] Re: NormalShearInteraction::{normalForce, shearForce} has undefined orientation

2009-12-30 Thread Chareyre
If the normal is b1->b2, it makes more sense to define the force as "applied by b1on b2". My two cents... -- NormalShearInteraction::{normalForce,shearForce} has undefined orientation https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/493102 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Yade develo