Hey everyone,
I started reviewing my ZBF2L and ZBLL today. I had only gone fuzzy on
3-4 T-case ZBLL algs and about half of the U algs. Also I still have
5-10 ZBF2L that I'm fuzzy on, but it feels good to know I haven't
forgotten much after this long hiatus.
Also, in response to Mike's question
7; F'
EDGES:
1) L (L2 U' F' B L2 F B' U' L2) L'
2) B2 (x2 L2 U'F'B L2 F B' U' L2x2) B2
3) F R' (M' B')x4 R F'
4) R' B2 R2 B2 R2 B2 R'
I want to know this BLD method. very... badly..
Hope you guys find it interesting.
Hey everyone,
Well, I've been lazy and haven't worked on ZB for a while now. To be
honest BLD solving has consumed me, but funny how things come full
circle sometimes.
So I've finally decided to learn the BLD method I've been thinking
about since after seeing Stefan Pochmann's BLD method where h
Hey everyone,
Got back from vacation and have just finished reading all the
speedcubing group messages I missed (over 900!!) and I've skimmed most
of the ones I missed from this group but need to read over them more
carefully.
Anyway it felt awesome being on vacation and away from technology b
Hey everyone,
I wanted to ask basically what we wanted to do as a group about the
lead position, or group A. I honestly am willing to devote the time
to any of the activities in our delegation, but I would love to help
direct. I will have the free time after I graduate (I really do cube
in all o
Hey Jason,
Yes I think it would definitely be beneficial to have another sample
of T1 alg averages. Also, go ahead and average all your other cases.
I would be working on my T2 and further cases today, but these darn
final exams are getting in my way ;-)
Particularly if you have a sub-3 alg tha
neral search? Both only in HTM.
> And then we go back thorugh the especially slow cases.
>
> Cuz right now, it looks to me like every little thing you add adds a
> factor into the equation. And this really adds up
>
>
> -Doug
>
>
>
> --- In zbmethod@yahoog
Hey Doug and all searchers,
Start ACube with these
java -cp ACube3.jar ACube a
java -cp ACube3.jar ACube qa
java -cp ACube3.jar ACube sa
And preface the positions with whichever of these you like. These are
all the search faces I've ever used.
RUL = 430
RULM = 431
RU = 410
LU = 420
RUF = 510
LU
Hey Doug,
Wow that would be awesome! I can start coming up with some search
strings that I always use.
Also, I think we should come up with a set procedure for the searching
so that every case gets the same amount of search time.
Here is what I think should be done based on my experience with t
> spread all over the world yet)
>
> I'm excited by this zb thing. I just re-praciced the few T algorithms
> I learned a while ago, and I'm happy to see I haven't forgotten them
> :p
>
> Gilles.
> PS : can I sign with [team zb] after my name ? :p
>
>
Hey Johannes,
Thank you definitely! Of course your help is very, very much
appreciated! Also, perhaps after we have really optimized the ZBLL T
algs, you may want to consider seeing if you like some of the new ones
better than your current ones?
Thanks so much again for the help, we'll definite
Hey everyone,
Richard Patterson and I have been talking, and here is a proposed
delgation of responsibility. We're really turning into a research
team like Gilles said, so I think it would be best if we delegated the
responsibility.
Here is the proposed delegation. Let's see how this would work
Hey Gilles,
The alg I list is the one I was performing (without the finger trick
notation). Do the inverse of the alg to setup the case.
I was doing all twelve cases from this page.
http://www.speedcubing.com/chris/zbllt1.html
Sorry if I didn't label them very well.
Chris
--- In zbmethod@yaho
that one! My record with it was 1.78 when timing.
Alright, well I feel ok with the T Case 1 algs. Some of them could be
better practiced for me (the 2.9's can be faster in my opinion).
How much work shoudl we spend on T1?
I will time the others tomorrow, my wrists really hurt after this session.
Chris
> Chris, you could go through all of your T-Orintation algs and list a
> time for them. I know that I use a slightly different set of algs
> than you, perhaps some of mine are faster.
Hey Doug, I agree I think that will be an excellent starting point.
I'm going to take some averages for each al
ple on one of the
> orientation case (maybe split it with someone if anybody is
> interested).
>
> I'm rather fond of the Double-Sune orientation so if there is any case
> you prefer to have first (since I'm probably not gonna use this in
> competition), just tell me which one :
Hey everyone,
I've been talking to Richard a lot lately, and he really inspired me
about one thing.
I think ZBLL can be extremely fast, but we have to set a higher
standard for it. We have to set the standard of sub-3 average for
every alg (just straight execution) and that would make the LL hav
Hey everyone,
I feel like I've been pretty hard on the ZB method lately, and I've
also hardly been practicing it in exchange for Fridrich, except on
weekends so I can do the sunday contest.
Well I've come to a conclusion. Just practicing with Fridrich, and
doing solves all the time, is really bo
Hey Mike,
I've also been thinking about ways to modify ZB somehow.
I guess lately, I have had some doubts about full ZB but I've had some
encouragement as well.
The all edges correct ZBLL cases are useful for a new BLD system I
want to implement. Basically it is like the best of Stefan Pochman'
Hey Mike,
I also am starting to like this subset of ZBLL quite a bit. When I am
solving with Fridrich, even if I identify a ZBLL case I know, I try to
just stick to Fridrich algs and separate the two.
However, today when doing a Fridrich average I had a no corner perm
ZBLL T case and just had to
Hey everyone,
I've been doing lots of practicing switching between ZB and Fridrich
today.
My Fridrich averages have definitely gotten much faster as of late,
and my ZB averages definitely much slower. I think I've found the
reason too. Because of WC2005 I've been thinking in Fridrich mode,
whic
Hey everyone,
I just took some ZB and Fridrich averages and am kind of surprised by
the results. It seems, I'm sure also due to committing fully to
opposite color also, that my Fridrich times have dropped by a second
while my ZB times have remained roughly the same, if not slightly
slower than I
Hey Brent,
I did the following to find an alg:
1) Look at Zbigniew's algs and see if I like one. If yes I'm done.
2) If no to above I use ACube and see if I like one. If yes I'm
done. If no I compare all my options (including Lars) and pick the
best one.
Always 3) Compare my alg to Lars V'
Hey Dan,
I also try to avoid the last pair connected in the F2L slot but not
flipped right, even though I can use the ZB alg for it.
I've found that it's faster even when I see that case early on, to
still use that slot as an empty slot and do whatever otehr ZBF2L comes
up than to know which case
Hey David,
Here are the ZBF2L algs that pair up those cases into a 3 move insert.
Not sure if that is good enough though, or what you are looking for.
1) L' B' U2 B2 L' B' L2
2) F R U2 R' F'
5a) before [D2] do U' F' L F L'
15) before [D2] do U F' L F L'
Do a z2 rotation after the setup with Jes
> Sorry to harp on about it, but I think my naming scheme for the ZBLL
> case would be pretty useful. Using the "3 levels" concept
> (orientation, COLL case, edge permutation) you could always call it
> very easily. The codes for the edges are easy to learn, and are always
> the same for each c
> I have to work in 30 minutes, so I'll wait to take my average until I
> get home. Not doing too well recently, though, so I'm a bit worried.
> I haven't learned any new ZBF2L for a bit, just focusing on applying
> what I know. We'll see...
>
> -Mike
> team [zb]
>
I also haven't been learning
> Ahhh! What was your time? The suspense is killing me!
>
> I have to work in 30 minutes, so I'll wait to take my average
until I
> get home. Not doing too well recently, though, so I'm a bit
worried.
> I haven't learned any new ZBF2L for a bit, just focusing on
applying
> what I know. We'
Hey everyone,
I got 8 ZBLL solves in my sunday contest average this week!!!
I only have a roughly 30% chance for ZBLL so the odds of that are
roughly:
495*(0.30)^8*(0.70)^4 = 0.78% chance. So less than 1 in 100 averages
for me will do this right now.
Still, it gave me a glimpse of what ZBLL
Hey everyone,
I've been working on just transformation solves lately, and have not
been timing myself. I'm trying to learn to recognize the T cases
without having to AUF. It's awesome, I'm actually getting to the
point where I can recognize fairly quickly cases 5 and 6 without
evening having to
I also didn't know what to do about the VHF2L column, as I never
really learned exactly how it works. I just put 0%, since I figure if
I don't even know how exactly one uses it, then I don't know it.
I guess I should change my ZBLL %, since that's not really the number
of cases I know, but my cha
>
> What changes do you need to implement with Fridrich?
>
Hey David,
I've been thinking about a number of things. Here are the ones I
want to learn most
1) go fast-fast
- Though people advocate slow-fast, I think for 15.xx and faster
times you have to just go really really fast. I've only
Hey everyone,
After reading Brent's last post I decided to really start refining my
recognition. What I have been doing is to do transformation solves,
but only allow myself to see two sides to recognize the ZBLL. I do
not allow AUF (adjust U face) turns either. It sometimes takes me as
much as
Hey everyone,
I recently have been having some doubts about ZB, which I would prefer
not to be having, but I wanted to bring them up.
I recently met with Dan Knights and asked him what he thought about
ZB. His response was, for the most part, that it seemed like a good
method but that recognitio
I use R'U2L'RDL2UL2D'B2L done as (R' U2 R) (L' D) (L2 U) (L2 D') B2 L
and I hate that case. Occasionaly it is fast, but I usually cringe
when that one comes up.
Chris
--- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, "mgwallisa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I could use a better algorithm for the H COLL that sw
Hey everyone,
Here was my sunday contest:
16.37, 18.20, 22.82, 18.95, 17.50, 21.36, 16.16, (15.00), 17.87,
21.42, 18.89, (48.32) = 18.95
The 18.20, 21.36, 17.87 were T ZBLL orientation cases. I'm not happy
that I had a hge delay on recognizing each one :-(
Also the 48.32 was a ZBF2L ca
> What's the worst case scenario possible with this? If you had no
> decent cross (one of the 8 move cases probably) and all 8 other edges
> flipped, perhaps. Would the time saved by using two gen algs to
> finish things be worth it with the number of moves this will
> potentially add?
>
> Just
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