Chris,
Yes, well, that's the Party line as I understand it, too. ;-)
When we practice our method of meditation, the method serves as a monitor, as
well as a method. So, if you/we are not aware of what's "doing", then that's
an indicator of just that. I'm not saying "you" personally, Chris!
We are in general discouraged from evaluating sitting periods as being more
or less satisfactory. The emphasis is more on right here, right now.
"Just as it is." Not about the student gaining something by diligent work
which the teacher already had, but the teacher being with the student who
is
Interesting, Chris. I wonder if adopting more painful positions helped the
meditation of those people, or you.
By "helped", I mean if it helped to make it more satisfactory to either the
student or teacher, or both.
I think it's good to break new ground in our practice, maybe by adopting a mor
Bill,
You have described 'monkey mind' very well, and it is just this activity that
zen mediation (shikantaza) seeks to quiesce. ('Quiesce' = 'to render
temporarily inactive or disabled'.) This 'monkey mind' is what is obscuring
Buddha Nature. When the 'monkey mind' (I often call it in my po
ABSOLUTELY!!! ...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wrote:
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> ED,
> Â
> Come closer to Bill! and what you see is what you get WYSIWYG.
> Â
> Anthony
>
>
>
> From: ED
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, 20 August 2012, 21:55
> S
ED,
I peaked ahead at a reply from Anthony and agree wholeheartedly with him that
that Buddha Nature could very well be 'explained' with the phrase WYSIWYG. You
could spice that up a little by adding to 'see' the other senses - hear, taste,
smell, feel; but those divisions are illusory anyway.
I first became aware of the tactic of avoiding fatigue by adopting more
painful sitting positions (full lotus over 1/2; 1/2 over Burmese) by trying
it myself; I then noticed other young and eager folks doing similar and a
few times had a conversation about the relative good vs. evil of sore legs
vs
Kris,
Dunno what he's getting at; but, I love those Sufis!
Special place in my heart for them since I met them and started dancing with
them in '73.
--Joe
> Kristopher Grey wrote:
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> On 8/20/2012 9:04 PM, Joe wrote:
> > Bill,
> >
> > Not at all.
> >
> > Busy methods are good for wearing us o
Chris,
Thanks, Chris, you make some interesting observations about attitudes or
approaches to "fatigue" in meditation circles. I've never touched base with
anyone about it, and I wonder how it came up, and came to your notice.
Personally, I find that complete and thorough relaxation in sitting
Dear Merle and Bill (not Bill!),
Thank you for your interest in taking a peek at our meditative technique.
We practice first to reach tiptop physical condition. Only then could
we integrate our body, mind and spirit. Thus a dedicated chi
cultivation is the necessary first step as well as its
Then it is I who owe you thanks.
Without question, all questions appear as invitations to share. Giving
voice to silence, allowing self-reflection. No answers. No lack.
KG
On 8/21/2012 4:40 PM, William Rintala wrote:
I cried while I read that. Thank you.
Bill
Find what makes your heart s
I cried while I read that. Thank you.
Bill
Find what makes your heart sing…and do it!
From: Kristopher Grey
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, August 21, 2012 2:25:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Zen] Monkey Mind
On 8/20/2012 6:18 PM, William Rintala wrote
On 8/20/2012 9:04 PM, Joe wrote:
Bill,
Not at all.
Busy methods are good for wearing us out; then, samadhi can come on,
when we are truly worn out.
Some related non-Zens on this theme from another [SufiMystic] group:
Cleverness and complexity are not necessarily wisdom.
Bowl of Saki, Augus
On 8/20/2012 6:18 PM, William Rintala wrote:
> So what can you do about Monkey Mind?
Cessation.
Realize the 'monkey' is asking this, and nothing needs to be done but
laugh! (and cry, and eat, and sleep, and attend to whatever arises as
it arises - without suffering over some 'monkey mind' tha
I have had problems with the sleepy, drowsy part. 20 or so years ago I was
vigilant and when I'd catch myself drifting off I'd shake it off and begin
again. I got so good at it that when it came time for me to actually sleep I
would automatically catch myself and wake myself up. This would ha
I would say that it's not anything to achieve - missing it is something to
stop doing.
Varying people start to see this truth with varying amounts of practice.
Thanks,
--Chris
ch...@austin-lane.net
+1-301-270-6524
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Joe wrote:
> But this is impossible to achiev
Posture and a little bit of yoga is pretty standard teaching even in the
Soto lineages via Japan that have taught me.
I have noticed one characteristic flaw that the youngsters make which is
easier to avoid in through oldsters, which is a fearful attitude towards
fatigue. People will deliberately
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