Merle,
You and Edgar are like two peas in a pod...always assuming people think
something they probably don't and certainly didn't say.
Who on this group said you were a zen teacher? Only Edgar and you as far as I
can remember.
Who on this group implied they did not believe you were a zen teac
Good Luck! Whatever it is I hope they find it and FIX IT! ...and keep us
posted...Bill!
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bill..i shop with my eyes wide open, my ears pricked and alert..
you'd be surprised at the amazing conversations i have had with total strangers
who suddenly for no reason eagerly tell me their life stories..and i point them
to zen!
i am a teacher after all which all of you in the group den
bare with me group...
.went to doc... something a miss with lung..
.needed blood test today and ct. scan 2 morrow 10:00am...
he is thinking worst case: blood clot in lung..deep breath for me it hurts
Merle
www.wix.com/merlewiitpom/1
Dear All,
For last 4 days I was in leave for Deepavali, hence I could not read
most of your mails. But I used to see in my mobile and scroll down
messages, but not read to its full meaning.
I see Mr.Phantom continues with his denial of the existence of the god.
The problem here is language and i
Merle,
When I go to the shopping mall I shop. What do you do?
...Bill!
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I agree with Chris. I think face-to-face interaction with your teacher is
essential - especially prior to realizing Buddha Nature (kensho). But then
again that's the way I did it so maybe I'm just being too narrowly focused on
that. I just know even the presence of others in the sangha while
Siska,
I'm sure some zen centers are a little different than others, but the in the
main sangha I attended when I began my training there were two teachers, one
head monk and several senior monks. They all acted as teachers or at least
guides. Students did have a 1-to-1 student-teacher relati
Chris,
Could be a way of softening a person up, for an eventual participation at a
real zen center.
On the other hand, it could be JUST what folks NEED who CANNOT ever get to a
real zen center. I think the Roshis involved will see to all that's needed to
teach people as well as possible, give
Mike,
Wouldn't be Zen without it (selling water by the river, that is).
BTW, the river in Tucson is DRY (water-table has descended 950 feet).
--Joe
PS As far as the Cash goes, "...Never leave home without it". ;-)
(to re-appropriate a line used by the American Express Corp., which would not
i
Joe,
Tut tut! You both charging for selling water by the river again?..
From: Joe
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012, 22:13
Subject: [Zen] Re: Mu - Graphically Illustrated...
Mike,
It was Bill!(!).
I can't take credit (only
Merle,
Choose any way of sitting with the spine straight.
Eyes always OPEN in zazen.
Incense may burn in the room, and it has an exact purpose.
We do not "listen for gongs", but bells are used to send signals so that the
voice need never be used.
I know you are clearly quoting someone else,
Mike,
It was Bill!(!).
I can't take credit (only Cash, pls.).
--Joe
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> (falsely) they've experienced Buddha Nature
Merle,
>.practising zen to me is not
sitting cross legged on "handwoven mats, eyes shut tight, sniffing
incense and listening to gongs."
You're certainly correct about that, but neither is it about sitting in a
university lecture theatre/library studying advanced psychology or neuroscience.
anything zen here..merle
http://www.badideatshirts.com/?gclid=CNbsmvLAyrMCFaRLpgodVTUANA
light entertainment... merle
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Suresh, et al. (All),
I suppose the lengthy Deepawvali celebration lasts until today, and culminates
today, on New Moon day.
I forget to mention the dancing, earlier!
So, when the total eclipse of the Sun occurs across the NE coast and Great
Barrier Reef of Australia today, that will be ident
edgar.
.i can understand what you are saying...and that is how i see it except i
cannot explain it like you have..
.zen to me is being in the moment alert and forever present...as i see it we
zen through the day..
.practising zen to me is not sitting cross legged on "handwoven mats, eyes
shu
Suresh,
I hope Deepavali was good for you this year.
I remember it very fondly when I lived in New York City. I had some close
Indian friends, but there was also a big festival held in Central Park, and of
course lots of very good food, there, and THOUSANDS of people.
Hundreds of people fle
Edgar,
It's good to see you back and well. Unfortunately I can't say the same about
your theories.
"It's an updated understanding of how mind works that was unknown when the Zen
texts were written."
Are you saying that prior to this 'breakthru' in neuroscience the Patriarchs
weren't prac
It's an interesting difference this thing about teachers in Zen and vipassana.
I really can't imagine anyone following the Zen path and not having a teacher
for exactly the reason Joe gave about a practitioner potentially believing
(falsely) they've experienced Buddha Nature. I think there's muc
Edgar,
Reality, yes. Do you know how philosophically unsophisticated that sounds?
You'll say that's good, because you do not want to emulate the Sophists (who
tried to teach Virtue, for money).
But you remind me of the undergraduates I taught in intro- Philosophy courses,
when they didn't y
http://www.treeleaf.org/about-treeleaf-teachers-jundo-taigu-and-our-lineage/
I am highly sceptical but again without much actual experience of it -- as
a Soto student and as a parent I put a lot of stock in face to face
transmission.
--Chris
Thanks,
--Chris
ch...@austin-lane.net
+1-301-270-6524
Chris,
Interesting! An online zendo.
Maybe I need to get out *less*, then. ;-)
--Joe
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> There is an electronic Zendo that is completely online. They broadcast the
> bell ringer on the Internet and all sit together at the same time but not in
> the same place.
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There is an electronic Zendo that is completely online. They broadcast the bell
ringer on the Internet and all sit together at the same time but not in the
same place.
It seems quite different from the eyeball to eyeball teaching that I know but I
also speak from the outside, so to speak.
Th
Hi Bill,
I supposed teacher-student relationship is something that is highly valued in
zen tradition. Lineage is maintained and there are initiation and stuffs. When
Teacher gives advice, these are taken with sort of authority.
I'm not saying that in vipassana there is no teacher. My teacher ha
Siska,
Yes, sitting and everything else. There are some 8 or ten formal practices
that I could mention immediately if you asked, and some others that I'd come up
with after about a minute or two of head-scratching.
But if you add other things in, too, like brushing one's teeth, the practices
Bill!,
It's just a book of words by some favorite teachers and friends.
Sometimes I get lonely for their company.
This book contains something of their teaching, their delivery, their very
voice, their wisdom, and kindness. They could as well be talking about
Baseball, and I'd still like thei
Joe,
When you said practice, what do you mean? Sittings or anything else?
Siska
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Siska,
I think
Siska,
I didn't mean you HAVE to have a teacher to realize Buddha Nature. What I
meant was if you wanted to work on the koan Mu you should do that with a
teacher.
I actually do recommend a teacher. I don't know how anyone could realize
Buddha Nature without one. I know it's certainly possib
Joe,
I looked at the synopsis of that book, but even before I did I was sure it was
not a book on 'Mu'. There is really nothing to write about. It's a book on
Buddha Nature - I guess.
...Bill!
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