...Bill!
Merely: How much more difficult is it to attain Buddha-hood in the
supermarket???
Surely the true test is when you live the full life in the real world??.
Suresh: This is what I look for, Buddha-hood while living in the same
environment. The thinker or the seer should disappear, will it?
Suresh,
You are correct, IMO... Zen practice must eventually be done in the 'real
world' - like the busy city or the supermarket.
I think though when beginning to practice it is easier to limit distractions.
That's why when we begin we are taught to sit (zazen)in a quiet, dimly lit
room; com
Joe,
I suggest you use the same investigative intelligence you used to debunk the
hurricane Sandy photos to debunk your teacher's story.
No human being could live on only wild potato leaves and rice for 6 years.
That's quite obvious.
It's a nice story but quite obviously untrue.
Right?
Edgar
You just contradicted your previous post!
Edgar
On Nov 20, 2012, at 1:18 AM, Merle Lester wrote:
>
>
> you can edgar..what's holding you back?..merle
>
>
> Merle,
>
> Yes I know. That's the problem I wish I could escape and just live purely in
> nature among the animals...
>
> Edgar
>
Well my enlightened insights haven't done much good here so far!
:-(
YOu are the only one open to teaching. The others think they know it all
already
Edgar
On Nov 20, 2012, at 1:20 AM, Merle Lester wrote:
>
>
> it's only 40 days...you will come back with fresh insight to enlighten us
Bill,
I do
Edgar
On Nov 20, 2012, at 2:43 AM, Bill! wrote:
> Edgar, Why don't you just live purely where you are? ...Bill!
>
> > Merle,
> >
> > Yes I know. That's the problem I wish I could escape and just live purely
> > in nature among the animals...
> >
> > Edgar
> >
> >
> >
> >
Suresh,
Thanks for your interesting comments.
I have in fact "left society for a while to practice" on several occasions and
I've been pretty much of a social hermit for much of my life
I've lived alone in my current house on top of a hill next to a large forest
for the last 33 years mostl
Suresh and Edgar,
I too live in an isolated area, on a mountain where my closest neighbor is far
enough away that I can neither see or hear them. I prefer this environment to
the hustle and bustle of the city.
I do still work occasionally and for 3 months earlier this year worked in a
busy su
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill!" wrote:
>
> Suresh and Edgar,
>
> I too live in an isolated area, on a mountain where my closest
neighbor is far enough away that I can neither see or hear them. I
prefer this environment to the hustle and bustle of the city.
>
> I do still work
Edgar,
Personally, I'm just waiting until your calender of wisdom quotes comes out.
Mike
From: Edgar Owen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012, 13:00
Subject: Re: [Zen] the way
Well my enlightened insights haven't done much goo
Wow! Will that be like one of those 'Firemen of San Francisco' calendars?
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown wrote:
>
> Edgar,
>
> Personally, I'm just waiting until your calender of wisdom quotes comes out.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> From: Edg
Mike,
My book is now in near final draft form. Glad to know you are waiting with
bated breath for it!
:-)
Edgar
On Nov 20, 2012, at 8:50 AM, mike brown wrote:
> Edgar,
>
> Personally, I'm just waiting until your calender of wisdom quotes comes out.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> _
Merle,
No, isolation is not my thing.
It's worked miracles for certain sages.
Its main benefits are available at Sesshin, the 7-day retreat that is a
traditional training ground for Zen practitioners, aside from daily practice at
home or at our local zen center.
Some people take vacations: TH
Book?? Nah, books are so 2003.
From: Edgar Owen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012, 15:13
Subject: Re: [Zen] the way
Mike,
My book is now in near final draft form. Glad to know you are waiting with
bated breath for it!
:-)
E
Nah, I was thinking more a collection of Haiku with Edgar wearing swimwear to
match with the corresponding season.
From: Bill!
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012, 13:57
Subject: Re: [Zen] the way
Wow! Will that be like one o
Merle,
You may know that in Zen practice, there is the possibility of an awakening.
This is *THE* entry into a lifetime of practice, "just" a gate.
But it is a gate that many miss entering. Thus, when they utter things "about"
Zen, or about practice, they mislead.
The best we can do for such
Merle,
Aww-, shucks (looking down at his feet...). ;-)
Among those mentors, Le Corbusier of course was already gone when I studied;
but we all "knew" him as a mentor through his books, and designs.
--Joe
PS (now, now; let's not speak about my "record": nobody has to know about
that!) ;-)
Brother Suresh,
Mind is a funny thing. Sometimes we can convince ourselves that, "Now I've
seen everything!", and be happy. But a teacher might say we have not entered
the door, yet.
A book cannot interact with us in this way, because the "content" of the book
is only open to our interpretat
Edgar,
Negative.
I suggest a reading of Ch'an Master Sheng's autobiography.
When he taught us, he would often urge us to eat "properly" in our daily lives
as we practice. But he added that he "does not believe in the principles of
nutrition". That was always very interesting to me, but I n
Edgar,
I think you can only change yourself. And the world will be better for it!
This is what is called, "Being a Bodhisattva".
--Joe
> Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> Well my enlightened insights haven't done much good here so far!
> :-(
>
> YOu are the only one open to teaching. The others think t
Edgar, Bill!,
Jeez, sounds like a Marriage-vow, to me.
BILL?! ;-)
--Joe
> Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> I do
>
> Edgar
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links
Anyone who tries to convince you he lived on wild yam leaves and rice for 6
years begins to sound like the oriental typical guru putting one over on
gullible disciples.
How much did you pay him total for 'enlightening' you?
Edgar
On Nov 20, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Joe wrote:
> Edgar,
>
> Negativ
Edgar,
You are so typical of yourself.
Grasping at branches, not getting at the root.
Leave my deceased master be, then.
--Joe
> Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> Anyone who tries to convince you he lived on wild yam leaves and rice for 6
> years begins to sound like the oriental typical guru putting on
Edgar,
Garlic breath. Proof against vampires. ;-)
--Joe
> Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> My book is now in near final draft form. Glad to know you are waiting with
> bated breath for it!
> :-)
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read
Donna,
Greetings, again, and, Yes, please come in and tell us whatever you like.
Start a thread, perhaps, on some topic or book or practice or question. Two or
three people here have considerable experience and even knowledge. Some others
have too much knowledge. Most here are of good humor.
And you are so gullible for believing that BS story!
:-)
Edgar
On Nov 20, 2012, at 2:43 PM, Joe wrote:
> Edgar,
>
> You are so typical of yourself.
>
> Grasping at branches, not getting at the root.
>
> Leave my deceased master be, then.
>
> --Joe
>
> > Edgar Owen wrote:
> >
> > Anyone w
Edgar,
It's made no difference to my practice, nor to my realization.
Why are you grasping at leaves?, besides its being what you're good at? Is it
a habit?
What else does that habit ruin for you, besides human relations?
--Joe Socrates
> Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> And you are so gullible for be
Edgar,
OK, if Sheng Yen's book doesn't do it for you -- and it might -- then try
another Zen biography?
I just now heard about it on NPR in an interview with the still-mellifluous
author.
It fits this forum because it has the word "Zen" in the title, at least
...like that novel by Pirsig in
Bill!
Fabulous-looking Palazzo! Beautiful. A blessing to one's life, I should think.
So GREEN a setting, too! Not like our desert. Looks like Vermont. ;-)
(when I go East occasionally, I'm struck for DAYS by how green everything is,
even in Winter; my painter's palette is not conditioned or
http://offbeatchina.com/modeling-for-teen-girl-clothes-on-tmall-72-year-old-grandpa-from-becomes-internet-sensation
contradictions are the stuffing of life..you never do it yourself?...merle
You just contradicted your previous post!
Edgar
On Nov 20, 2012, at 1:18 AM, Merle Lester wrote:
>
>
>
>
> you can edgar..what's holding you back?..merle
>
>
>
>Merle,
>
>
>Yes I know. That's the problem
bill...i have made it clear enough...you are not listening to
me...merle
Merle,
You're the one who introduced the post making reference to 'productivity'.
You're the one who needs to define it, not me.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester wrote:
>
>
>
> Â t
because he did no heavy labour all day he needed less food...
how long did he live?...
plain hot water is great!...
does not believe in the principles of nutrition and you just ran with that
joe?..
what?...
where is your zen spirit?.
.merle
Anyone who tries to convince you he lived on wil
>
>Subject: Fw: Fwd: So beautiful. Enjoy
>
>
>
joe...hero worshipping is not within the realms of the zen spirit!...merle
Edgar,
OK, if Sheng Yen's book doesn't do it for you -- and it might -- then try
another Zen biography?
I just now heard about it on NPR in an interview with the still-mellifluous
author.
It fits this forum becaus
yes how much loot did you pay joe to hear his "divine" words.?.merle
Anyone who tries to convince you he lived on wild yam leaves and rice for 6
years begins to sound like the oriental typical guru putting one over on
gullible disciples.
How much did you pay him total for 'enlightening' you?
how can we be so sure that the master is truly awake, joe? merle
Brother Suresh,
Mind is a funny thing. Sometimes we can convince ourselves that, "Now I've
seen everything!", and be happy. But a teacher might say we have not entered
the door, yet.
A book cannot interact with us in
embarrassing for whom joe?..merle
Merle,
You may know that in Zen practice, there is the possibility of an awakening.
This is *THE* entry into a lifetime of practice, "just" a gate.
But it is a gate that many miss entering. Thus, when they utter things "about"
Zen, or about practice,
zen is not a religion prove to me it is?..merle
Merle,
No, isolation is not my thing.
It's worked miracles for certain sages.
Its main benefits are available at Sesshin, the 7-day retreat that is a
traditional training ground for Zen practitioners, aside from daily practice at
home
beautiful..looks like many of us zen folk love to live in "isolation" away
from the "common herd"..merle
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill!" wrote:
>
> Suresh and Edgar,
>
> I too live in an isolated area, on a mountain where my closest neighbor is
> far enough away th
movies..which ones bill?
merle
Suresh and Edgar,
I too live in an isolated area, on a mountain where my closest neighbor is far
enough away that I can neither see or hear them. I prefer this environment to
the hustle and bustle of the city.
I do still work occasionally and for 3 months
and i have lived on my mountain top for 35 years.. merle
Suresh,
Thanks for your interesting comments.
I have in fact "left society for a while to practice" on several occasions and
I've been pretty much of a social hermit for much of my life
I've lived alone in my current house on
Edgar,
Don't tell us things we know (they're not on-topic).
Don't tell us things we don't know (they're available).
--Joe
> Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> YOu are the only one open to teaching. The others think they know it all
> already
Current Book Disc
bil:...how many times have i tried to tell you...as has edgar..the
real world..is where zen is at?...merle
Suresh,
You are correct, IMO... Zen practice must eventually be done in the 'real
world' - like the busy city or the supermarket.
I think though when beginning to practice
Merle,
I let the Nurses and MDs and Nutritional Therapists in our Sangha take him to
task on that one. I had no such expertise as they, and I was there for the
Dharma.
Are you grasping at leaves, too?
Sheng Yen lived a long, difficult life: 1930-2009.
My Zen spirit is enhanced because of my
Merle,
What's sa mattuh?, you don't like SINGAS?
;-)
--Joe
PS He had his first hit a year before I was born. Always professional, even
after professionalism in the Arts went out of style. STILL professional.
Practices scales every day, he told me, on the radio.
> Merle Lester wrote:
>
>
Merle,
Heavenly days!, Cousin. ...what did *YOU* have for lunch?
--Joe
> Merle Lester wrote:
>
> yes how much loot did you pay joe to hear his "divine" words.?.merle
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Tal
Merle,
When you meet the master, put that question THEN.
I will not say.
--Joe
> Merle Lester wrote:
>
> how can we be so sure that the master is truly awake, joe? merle
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
rea
Merle,
All parties.
--J.
> Merle Lester wrote:
>
> embarrassing for whom joe?..merle
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links
<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
Merle,
Zen Buddhism.
QED
--Joe
> Merle Lester wrote:
>
> zen is not a religion prove to me it is?..merle
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links
<*> To visit your g
If a great wave of admiration arises in you, then be the best possible
person with a great wave of admiration that you can be.
On Nov 20, 2012 2:24 PM, "Merle Lester" wrote:
>
>
>
> joe...hero worshipping is not within the realms of the zen spirit!...merle
>
> Edgar,
>
> OK, if Sheng Yen's book
Merle,
Far from or among the common herd,
a discouraging word is seldom heard
by one with an open heart.
And in the desert,
the skies are not cloudy all day.
Ain't takin' the City
out of this Cowboy, tho'.
;-)
--Joe
> Merle Lester wrote:
>
> beautiful..looks like many of us zen folk love to
One of Joko Beck's books has a chapter that is a dharma talk about
religion, which she interprets as "re-joining" things which were thought to
be separate.
Zen is not a belief system but people mean many things by religion many of
which do apply to zen.
On Nov 20, 2012 2:52 PM, "Joe" wrote:
> Me
Merle,
Zen folk living in isolation is a way to protect Civilization.
Alas!
--Joe
> Merle Lester wrote:
>
> beautiful..looks like many of us zen folk love to live in "isolation" away
> from the "common herd"..merle
Current Book Discussion: any Zen boo
Chris,
I like it!
On a related note:
I like saying, "Do the best you WANT."
This way, it is not a command; it is a hope, and an actual encouragement.
No one is judging, then. One doesn't do well -- nor good -- to say, "Aw, YOU
can do better than THAT!!, Jimmie".
I'm pretty sure that Olympia
Joe,
I'm doing EXACTLY the same thing you did in debunking the Sandy photos.
Using the intellect to discover and expose illusion...
This process brings us closer to reality and thus to realization
Edgar
On Nov 20, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Joe wrote:
> Edgar,
>
> It's made no difference to my
Joe,
Is Sheng Yen's book online somewhere?
Edgar
On Nov 20, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Joe wrote:
> Edgar,
>
> OK, if Sheng Yen's book doesn't do it for you -- and it might -- then try
> another Zen biography?
>
> I just now heard about it on NPR in an interview with the still-mellifluous
> autho
No Merle, only women contradict themselves!
:-)
Edgar
On Nov 20, 2012, at 5:14 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
>
>
>
> contradictions are the stuffing of life..you never do it yourself?...merle
>
>
> You just contradicted your previous post!
>
> Edgar
>
>
> On Nov 20, 2012, at 1:18 AM, Merl
Merle,
If you agree that the real world contains everything, then why is formal zen
practice, or Sesshin, out of bounds, from your point of view? Or is it,
really? What are you getting at? Please answer in your own words.
Should foot-ballers not attend training-camp? Not real enough?
Every
Merle,
Get real and use your brain Merle! It's not the number of calories but the
necessary nutrients for life are missing.
Hot water? Well I like that myself (I usually add several spices and sometimes
lemon juice) but I hope you don't think anyone can subsist on it?
Edgar
On Nov 20, 2012,
Merle,
Exactly my point.
Edgar
On Nov 20, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
>
>
> joe...hero worshipping is not within the realms of the zen spirit!...merle
>
> Edgar,
>
> OK, if Sheng Yen's book doesn't do it for you -- and it might -- then try
> another Zen biography?
>
> I jus
Merle and Joe,
And wasn't it Joe who was just accusing me of avoiding HIS questions?
Edgar
On Nov 20, 2012, at 5:26 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
>
> yes how much loot did you pay joe to hear his "divine" words.?.merle
>
>
> Anyone who tries to convince you he lived on wild yam leaves and rice
Merle,
Excellent question. There is guru after guru claiming HE is the only one who is
enlightened and can pass that enlightenment on - but first you have to pay!
Edgar
On Nov 20, 2012, at 5:28 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
>
>
> how can we be so sure that the master is truly awake, joe? me
Edgar,
Negative.
And I TOLD you this. I used my EYE. Then, I wrote words to help convince
people who don't have such an eye, and are impaired. Read, read, READ!
(You know nothing about my Shih-fu).
But do you have the eye? That is the Question. Nothing about leaves.
Typical EDGAR!
Furth
Merle,
Yes, my thoughts too. Anyone like Joe who talks of Zen as "his religion" and of
"formally converting to Zen" raises a BIG red flag..
Edgar
On Nov 20, 2012, at 5:30 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
>
>
> zen is not a religion prove to me it is?..merle
>
>
> Merle,
>
> No, isolation i
Edgar,
You might well ask.
--Joe
PS (For sale online at Amazon.com. Saw a used copy for $1.04).
> Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> Is Sheng Yen's book online somewhere?
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk abo
Yes, looks very pleasant surroundings...
Edgar
On Nov 20, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
>
>
> beautiful..looks like many of us zen folk love to live in "isolation" away
> from the "common herd"..merle
>
>
>
>
> ...Bill!
>
>
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill!" wrote:
Ooh-h; settin' himself up like a bowling-pin.
*Such* a glutton for punishment.
This is not going to be pretty, people.
--Joe
> Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> No Merle, only women contradict themselves!
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently hav
Joe,
Which ones do you know and which ones don't you know?
Edgar
On Nov 20, 2012, at 5:34 PM, Joe wrote:
> Edgar,
>
> Don't tell us things we know (they're not on-topic).
>
> Don't tell us things we don't know (they're available).
>
> --Joe
>
> > Edgar Owen wrote:
> >
> > YOu are the on
Merle,
Yes, we both caught this. Bill has FINALLY agreed with what we've been trying
to tell him - that Zen must be in everyday life in the world of forms as well
as when sitting.
This is a GREAT advancement in realization by Bill!
Edgar
On Nov 20, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
>
Edgar,
Nothing "Red" about it.
Ch'an developed in China *long* before the Communists took over.
Zen Buddhism knows no flag.
The are no "belts" in Zen, unlike in some other arts.
In Zen, everybody newcomer thinks she is a Black Belt.
The trick is to get back to White Belt. That's the rub. Th
Joe,
A little basic study of human nutritional needs might be in order
Edgar
On Nov 20, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Joe wrote:
> Edgar,
>
> Negative.
>
> And I TOLD you this. I used my EYE. Then, I wrote words to help convince
> people who don't have such an eye, and are impaired. Read, read, RE
Edgar,
I won't say.
It's up to you not to post.
--Joe
> Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> Which ones do you know and which ones don't you know?
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Li
Merle, unlike you, knows I'm joking and has a sense of humor...
:-)
Edgar
On Nov 20, 2012, at 6:44 PM, Joe wrote:
> Ooh-h; settin' himself up like a bowling-pin.
>
> *Such* a glutton for punishment.
>
> This is not going to be pretty, people.
>
> --Joe
>
> > Edgar Owen wrote:
> >
> > No M
And how much do you have to pay to do that?
:-)
Edgar
On Nov 20, 2012, at 6:54 PM, Joe wrote:
> Edgar,
>
> Nothing "Red" about it.
>
> Ch'an developed in China *long* before the Communists took over.
>
> Zen Buddhism knows no flag.
>
> The are no "belts" in Zen, unlike in some other arts.
>
Edgar,
>There is guru after guru claiming HE is the only one
who is enlightened and can pass that enlightenment on - but first you
have to pay!
How do we go about getting afree copy of your soon to be published book then?
Mike
From: Edgar Owen
To: Zen_For
Edgar,
Yes, you caught fleas; or the Flu.
The practices of our religion are comprehensive, and thorough. If you haven't
been there, you missed them.
There may still be time ...don't miss out. This is serious.
--Joe
> Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> Yes, we both caught this. Bill has FINALLY agreed w
Joe,
We are already co-moderators. What closer union can you expect than that?
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" wrote:
>
> Edgar, Bill!,
>
> Jeez, sounds like a Marriage-vow, to me.
>
> BILL?! ;-)
>
> --Joe
>
> > Edgar Owen wrote:
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > I do
> >
>
I once lived entirely on pepperoni and sausage, double-cheese pizzas and Pepsi
for almost 2 weeks. Does that count?
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> Anyone who tries to convince you he lived on wild yam leaves and rice for 6
> years begins to sound like the or
Hey! I draw the line at anyone using my initials in vain! Cut it out!
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> And you are so gullible for believing that BS story!
> :-)
>
> Edgar
>
>
>
> On Nov 20, 2012, at 2:43 PM, Joe wrote:
>
> > Edgar,
> >
> > You are so typi
No Merle. Your problem is I listen (read in this case) too well. If you post
something on this forum you should be ready for questions about it. You've
been warned.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester wrote:
>
>
>
> Â bill...i have made it clear enough...you
I just wanted to point out to everyone that I actually AGREE with Merle - zen
is NOT a religion. Buddhism however is.
I think as far as me agreeing with Merle's posts that makes about 5 out of 284
so far...
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester wrote:
>
>
>
> Â zen is not
Merle,
Which movies I saw while in Toronto is not important. I didn't see any that I
considered memorable. I was just saying it was nice to have a choice to first
be able to go to a movie, and second to have such a variety of choices.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester
Merle,
How many times do you have to tell me? Zero.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester wrote:
>
>
>
> Â bil:...how many times have i tried to tell you...as has edgar..the
> real world..is where zen is at?...merle
> Â
> Suresh,
>
> You are correct, IMO... Ze
I like Singha!
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" wrote:
>
> Merle,
>
> What's sa mattuh?, you don't like SINGAS?
>
> ;-)
>
> --Joe
>
> PS He had his first hit a year before I was born. Always professional, even
> after professionalism in the Arts went out of style. STILL p
Chris,
I like that phrase 're-joining', even better than 'discover' or 'uncover' or
even 're-discover'. I think it's very descriptive.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane wrote:
>
> One of Joko Beck's books has a chapter that is a dharma talk about
> religion, which
Edgar,
"Using the intellect to discover and expose illusion", huh? That's as close to
'fighting fire with fire' or 'destroy the village to save it' that I've ever
heard.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
> I'm doing EXACTLY the same thing you did in de
Edgar,
'Online' is so 21st century...
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
> Is Sheng Yen's book online somewhere?
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> Edgar
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> On Nov 20, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Joe wrote:
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> > Edgar,
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> > OK, if Sheng Yen's book doesn't do it for you -- and it mi
Edgar,
No, it was ME! And I accuse both you and Merle of that...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen wrote:
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> Merle and Joe,
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> And wasn't it Joe who was just accusing me of avoiding HIS questions?
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> Edgar
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> On Nov 20, 2012, at 5:26 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
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> >
Edgar,
Out of order.
Let someone do it. "Go for it".
See?, this is why I am not in Politics.
I posted about how one master used an isolated retreat situation -- which was
the thread started by someone which I was following -- for six years following
his awakening in the monastery, and you f
Selling water by the river? ...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen wrote:
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> Merle,
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> Excellent question. There is guru after guru claiming HE is the only one who
> is enlightened and can pass that enlightenment on - but first you have to pay!
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> Edgar
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> On Nov 20,
Bill!,
Dunno. Sounds like a false dichotomy to me. The effect of both is the same. It
seems to me tho, that a Zen Buddhist who attends sesshins etc. is someone who
'get's' Zen, but is also paying their dues (thru gratitude and propagation).
Mike
From: Bill!
Edgar,
Yet, Mr. Bowlin' Pin, prepare to meet a Rollin' Pin.
(there are other women here along with Merle).
--Joe
PS My sense of Yuma is intact, here in Arizona.
> Edgar Owen wrote:
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> Merle, unlike you, knows I'm joking and has a sense of humor...
C
Singha = hero-worship.
From: Bill!
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012, 0:42
Subject: Re: [Zen] "Zen" biographies...
I like Singha!
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" wrote:
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> Merle,
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> What's sa mattuh?,
Edgar,
Not enough money in the WORLD to buy it.
--Joe
> Edgar Owen wrote:
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> And how much do you have to pay to do that?
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links
<*> To
Mike,
Of course all this depends on your definition of 'religion'. My casual
definition of it is 'a system of belief based on faith'. To me that includes
Buddhism and science.
Zen is not based on faith (or knowledge), it's based on experience.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike
Bill!,
Good point. And by all evidence, it can get no closer. ;-)
--Joe
> "Bill!" wrote:
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> Joe,
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> We are already co-moderators. What closer union can you expect than that?
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
Bill!,
Hey!, I wanna attend THAT sesshin!
"Great Cholesterol-Surprise Sesshin".
--Joe
PS Bernie Glassman has held sesshin on the streets of NY, outdoors. Also, at
Auschwitz.
> "Bill!" wrote:
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> I once lived entirely on pepperoni and sausage, double-cheese pizzas and
> Pepsi for almost 2
Well I wouldn't characterize Singha as a hero, although some do worship
it...
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown wrote:
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> Singha = hero-worship.
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> From: Bill! BillSmart@...
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, 21 Nov
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