Chris,
I'm a happy user.
I'm sure glad I don't participate via email.
On the website, all the posts are archived to Day One, available, searchable;
engraved in silicon, or in magnetic domains in metal oxide at the server site.
Not all Attachments survive the trip, but let's not talk about atta
Bill!,
I think, too, that's there's wisdom in certain Folk Expressions (although that
wisdom cannot to be applied in all circumstances, and requires discernment when
it comes to cases).
For example, the expression, "Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder", shows
that everybody understands *in o
hmm. ok. it doesn't need to be super long term memory just a few days
and perhaps if people limited their responses to stuff where they have the
context the signal noise ratio would improve.
On Nov 25, 2012 5:57 PM, "Edgar Owen" wrote:
>
>
> Chris,
>
> I read hundreds of emails a day as do ma
arg, bad place for a wordo
it constructs a sentence in the formal system which is demonstrably true
and unprovable .
a sentence not a proof
the entire relevance is that the set of true mathematical statements is
never captured by a formal system of logic
if you ever attempt to specify your "phy
Merle,
I keep it in my left rear pocket.
(I used to carry Zen books there)
It *is* simple.
--Joe
> Merle Lester wrote:
>
> no poetry in your soul...simple as that..merle
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading
Merle,
Then you're made of stern stuff.
"Stern" is "star" in German.
I read Kandinsky first in Spanish on a L-O-N-G bus trip in Chile, where bus
travel is taken very seriously, and all the buses are made in Italy or Germany.
The book was bus-company property. Nice illustrations. Never foun
truth and beauty intwined...enjoy...merle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paW4_rvY2U8&feature=related
joe each to his own remember!..i enjoy theories..especially art... am i
forcing you to read..no...merle
Merle,
I'd MUCH rather see Gene Kelly dance in "Singing in the Rain" than hear or read
the som-a-b' talk about his Theory of Dance.
But he once taught me that practice, for him, is al
yes..i know... yes i do..merle
Merle,
The Mathematicians are on your side, by the way.
And so is the cadre of Theoretical Physicists, worldwide. Einstein, too.
Do you WANT them on your side?
*I* wouldn't. ;-)
--Joe
> Merle Lester wrote:
>
> edgar... don't get me going...truth is bea
no poetry in your soul...simple as that..merle
Edgar,
Thanks, yep.
That's me; warm and fuzzy; fuzzy and warm. I have left hard-headed left-brain
sidedness aside. At least in my post with Merle!, which is where it counts.
With you, I reverse the hemispherectomy, and come at you with bo
i did read it...why are you questioning me?..joe
Merle,
Then, I doubt you read his whole ...boring ...book. ;-)
You haven't said if you have or not. Take a tip from Edgar, and tell us. Or a
tip from me, and tell me to "Shove it".
But, you didn't read all that drivel, or my name is not
edgar..there is some truth to what mike posts..are you listening?..merle
Edgar,
>The holocaust is truth. Was the holocaust beautiful?
The Holocaust is actually a conventional truth and not an absolute truth.
Also, there are examples of people giving shelter to Jews at great risk to
them
billl beauty and truth...truth and beauty... how zen is
that?..merle
Chris, Joe, Edgar and Godel,
If the term 'Truth' refers to Reality, it is experienced by Buddha Nature as-is
without judgement. 'Beauty' is a judgement and of course relative. It is a
human invention, al
for christ sake..what a "corny" way to view truth.
.we are discussing universal truth..the very essence of the meaning of
truth..and the essence of beauty.
.for christ sake the holocaust..
.what a nonsense you bring to the table.
.of course the holocaust was wretched
.. however have you
Bill!,
Interesting. Aitken Roshi had a similar report, although he dosed himself.
And I think Anne Aitken did also. Once. Aitken writes about this in one of
his books. But very briefly.
--Joe
> "Bill!" wrote:
>
> Joe and Edgar,
>
> I heard a story about Maezumi Roshi, the head of the Ze
Joe and Edgar,
I heard a story about Maezumi Roshi, the head of the Zen Center of Los Angeles.
Several of his students in the 1960's slipped a tab of LSD in his tea. The
next morning they asked him how his night was. He is reported to have replied,
"I saw lots of Buddhas...but it was not zen
Bill!, Edgar,
As Edgar too demonstrates, Inconsistency is well within the purview of Zen,
even if not of Buddha Nature. But then, it *must* be!
And, you can depend on it.
--Joe
> Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> Just when I think you finally agree with me and have finally attained full
> re
Bill,
Just when I think you finally agree with me and have finally attained full
realization I find I'm actually speaking to a Buddhist demon impersonating the
real Bill!
Maybe in your next lifetime?
:-)
Edgar
On Nov 25, 2012, at 9:35 PM, Bill! wrote:
> Edgar,
>
> SORRY! I forgot the tran
Edgar,
SORRY! I forgot the translation key. Here it is ---> 8>| ...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill!" wrote:
>
> Edgar,
>
> Yes! Yes! Yes!
>
> You wrote:
>
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen wrote:
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > I agree. Every experience...[snip]... inc
Edgar,
If you mean you had *NO* appreciation of the photo Bill! posted other day, then
we find you wanting.
I thought you were the fine fellow urging laughter, etc., etc.?
G'night, now.
No more stains on these boards from me until you can see the Whites of my eyes.
And thanks to Bill!, the k
Edgar,
Yes! Yes! Yes!
You wrote:
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> I agree. Every experience...[snip]... includes the 5 senses...[snip]. Since
> these experiences are all the same fundamental nature, AND as you say it is
> only experience that is reality, i
Bill,
Yes, we agree about beauty.
And yes, it is ALWAYS a problem to speak accurately about Zen because language
itself contain syntactical structures which assume a dualistic structure of
reality that really can't accurately express Zen...
But we try, and continually qualify and correct and a
Joe,
We are talking about the fundamental nature of reality. THAT is the essence of
Zen.
Your Zen may be about how many drinks you've downed tonight, but that's not a
topic of general concern to Zen. The fundamental nature of reality is though.
That's why Bill and I discuss it so intensely
Edgar,
You're right. My statement below, as most of my statements are, is constructed
using prose in a fairly strict subject/object-oriented language (English).
When I said "Buddha Nature experiences Reality just as it is." I could have
better said it the way you did below.
But even that phr
Bill,
I agree. Every experience of whatever kind, including thoughts, is just
experience.. Experience includes the 5 senses, thoughts, emotions and all the
others, including perhaps most importantly the internal feelings of the body.
Since these experiences are all the same fundamental nature,
Edgar,
No, that's a practice I was ascribing to you, a lot of times. Rightly or
wrongly.
I'm a cheap date. Two of Bill!'s beers, and I am snookered.
At least as far as philosophical discussion is concerned, but not civility.
--Joe
> Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> A lot of your posts make it appear
Joe,
A lot of your posts make it appear as if you've been drinking.
Do you find getting drunk compatible with Zen?
Edgar
On Nov 25, 2012, at 9:06 PM, Joe wrote:
> Edgar,
>
> Be that as dismay.
>
> --Joe
>
> PS I think the key thing is to attend to what a poster is posting.
>
> > Edgar Ow
Joe,
In fact ever since Mu I've tried to 'explain' Buddha Nature as the 'One
experience which can be described as the aggregation of the 'five' senses.
That 'synthesis', that experience is Buddha Nature.'
Now in actual fact the statement above is actually the REVERSE of what happens.
It's ta
Edgar,
Be that as dismay.
--Joe
PS I think the key thing is to attend to what a poster is posting.
> Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
> I read hundreds of emails a day as do many people. It's ridiculous to suggest
> that the contexts of all those posts should be remembered or looked up.
-
Edgar,
But it's not about Zen.
What my Pima County dog-catcher does is about reality. Let's not bring him in
(ow, too late).
I agree that all hands here could be more assiduous in keeping posts in accord
with our Topic.
When do we start?
--Joe
> Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> Joe
>
> Well it's ce
Bill!,
Don't get "heavy" with me, now.
I have *just* "tasted" two bottles of the wonderful Thai Lager that you
referenced, in JPEG form, a few days ago. "Singha".
"Plaza" here has it, but only in 12 oz. size. I asked for the big size, 660
ml, what I called "tall-boys" (from my red-neck drink
Chris,
I read hundreds of emails a day as do many people. It's ridiculous to suggest
that the contexts of all those posts should be remembered or looked up.
Edgar
On Nov 25, 2012, at 8:51 PM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote:
>
> Sorry multiple phone word auto.corrects hit that post. Not clear indee
Chris, et al...
I have all 3 Books of the SHOBOGENZO by Dogen. The chapter you are referring
to - Gabyo - is in Book 2, Chapter 40 of my edition. Strangely the link to
which you referred us shows it as Chapter 39.
The text is also a different translation but I didn't compare the two far
en
Bill,
Yes, that's correct with one correction.
Except Buddha Nature doesn't experience truth. Truth is the manifestation of
Buddha Nature which is experience itself prior to the duality of experiencer
and experienced
Edgar
On Nov 25, 2012, at 8:46 PM, Bill! wrote:
> Chris, Joe, Edgar
Sorry multiple phone word auto.corrects hit that post. Not clear indeed.
Should read:
Not remembering the context or having a mail reader sufficiently smart to
pull up whatever context is needing is insulting to the group whose time
you are spending by writing a post, old school wise.
I.e. Quoti
Joe
Well it's certainly more relevant than all the daily activity trivia certain
people have been posting. Why, because it has to do with the nature of reality
which is what Zen is all about...
Edgar
On Nov 25, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Joe wrote:
> Edgar, Chris, Bill!, all,
>
> God help us. Let'
Chris, Joe, Edgar and Godel,
If the term 'Truth' refers to Reality, it is experienced by Buddha Nature as-is
without judgement. 'Beauty' is a judgement and of course relative. It is a
human invention, albeit a very pleasant one, but is a dualistic concept and
therefore illusory.
So yes, we
Edgar, Chris, Bill!, all,
God help us. Let's keep Godel out of here.
I think it's off-topic, except in passing.
Just my professional opinion.
Do the "explaining" privately, if you would! Pls! Spare our ears and patience.
--Joe
> Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
> Your own explanation below
Bill!,
Wow!, I never made that step, the step to THAT realization, before. One
"sense"... Buddha Nature. Of course, that has to be right. Not because you
said it... but because it is clear. Well, it is now.
It diverges from Buddhist philosophy, though. See the system according to Mind
Onl
Chris,
It's not very clear what you are suggesting here but you seem to be agreeing
with me...
Edgar
On Nov 25, 2012, at 7:25 PM, ChrisAustinLane wrote:
> No remembering the context or having a mail reader sufficiently smart to pull
> up whatever context is needing is insulting to the group
Chris,
Your own explanation below is self contradictory which indicates you don't
understand it.
Reread what you wrote. You say "it constructs a proof of something which is
unprovable". This is obviously impossible.
I'll explain it to you when I have more time if you like...
Edgar
On Nov 2
Edgar and Joe,
I think snipping and replying is okay to a point. The danger is of course when
by snipping you remove the item from a larger context which may be important.
Also sometimes people zero-in on some part of your post which you feel is
inconsequential and certainly not the focus or
Mike,
That's not the point under discussion that Merle raised...
Edgar
On Nov 25, 2012, at 7:12 PM, mike brown wrote:
> Edgar,
>
>> The holocaust is truth. Was the holocaust beautiful?
>
> The Holocaust is actually a conventional truth and not an absolute truth.
> Also, there are example
Joe,
Glad you get it! We will see if Merle does...
Edgar
On Nov 25, 2012, at 7:06 PM, Joe wrote:
> Edgar,
>
> I bow out.
>
> Merle?
>
> --Joe
>
> > Edgar Owen wrote:
> >
> > Merle and Joe,
> >
> > This is so obvious.
> >
> > The holocaust is truth. Was the holocaust beautiful?
> >
> >
Joe,
For me Suzuki's answer was appropriate because he was relating the reality of
the table to sensual experience - in the case of the table probably sight and
touch. (Although as I've said before repeatedly the division of senses into 5
categories is in itself a dualistic product of the discr
Chris,
Yes, indeed-i-o.
My Brother, Thelonious Monk, has a track, "Ugly Beauty": give a listen?
--Joe
> mike brown wrote:
>
> The Holocaust is actually a conventional truth and not an absolute truth.
> Also, there are examples of people giving shelter to Jews at great risk to
> themselves
Chris,
Maybe my roots on 1980s BBS's are showing. I 'didna' mean to "start" anything.
But I'm liable to finish it.
--Joe
> ChrisAustinLane wrote:
>
> No remembering the context or having a mail reader sufficiently smart to pull
> up whatever context is needing is insulting to the group whose
No remembering the context or having a mail reader sufficiently smart to pull
up whatever context is needing is insulting to the group whose time you are
spending my writing a post, old school wise.
Thanks,
Chris Austin-Lane
Sent from a cell phone
On Nov 25, 2012, at 15:43, Edgar Owen wrote:
I welcome you to go back in time and apply that theory to usenet or to apply it
to a technical programming mailing list now.
Thanks,
Chris Austin-Lane
Sent from a cell phone
On Nov 25, 2012, at 15:43, Edgar Owen wrote:
>
>
> Chris,
>
> That etiquette applies to snipping posts down the thre
As you provide no back up to your assertion I can only reply that this theorem
is an area of study i have been engaged in for thirty years and my statement is
not a misinterpretation.
Given a formal system of logic Godel constructs a proof of a theorem which is
observably true and unprovable.
There is another good story from a similar meeting with Mr Suzuki.
He was giving some talk about Religion in Japan and explained how Biddhism was
very common for burying people and how the Shinto religious practices are for
the other major celebrations of living.
During the comments someone
Edgar,
>The holocaust is truth. Was the holocaust beautiful?
The Holocaust is actually a conventional truth and not an absolute truth.
Also, there are examples of people giving shelter to Jews at great risk to
themselves and their families. Isn't this an example of beauty?
Mike
_
Chris,
In fact, he looked for what he could not "doubt".
He held (expressed) no pre-conceptions about what reality may consist in.
>From "thinking", he concluded "existence": his own.
--Joe
PS Skate-boarder, there?
> Chris Austin-Lane wrote:
>
> Spin wheels, hit grey bin
> Stability gone gr
Edgar,
I bow out.
Merle?
--Joe
> Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> Merle and Joe,
>
> This is so obvious.
>
> The holocaust is truth. Was the holocaust beautiful?
>
> If not then TRUTH IS NOT = BEAUTY.
>
> You two need to start using your heads on this.
>
> If you don't agree then to you the holocaus
Spin wheels, hit grey bin
Stability gone ground nears
Legs absorb the speed
Or,
I doubt Descartes meant ratiocination or syllogistic reasoning by Cogito
(tho I have not read much Descartes), so I tend to find his assertion that
subjective experience provides all the proof we need of reality to be
Edgar,
At least it's "complete".
And what partiality do YOU have to offer?
;-)
--Joe
> Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> That's a complete misunderstanding of what Godel's Incompleteness proof
> does...
[snidely snipster hipster]
Current Book Discussion: any Ze
Chris,
Tnx!
I love the Old Man. I attended the "First International Dogen Conference", in
a hotel downtown in New York City, 1979.
I was a Philosopher at Columbia, at the time. But I'd undergone an awakening
with my shih-fu, Sheng Yen, a while *just* earlier, in late Spring.
What I heard in
Chris,
Thanks.
Edgar
On Nov 25, 2012, at 6:25 PM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote:
>
> http://www.thezensite.com/ZenTeachings/Dogen_Teachings/Shobogenzo_Complete.html
>
> http://www.thezensite.com/ZenTeachings/Dogen_Teachings/Shobogenzo/039gabyo.pdf
>
> On Nov 25, 2012 5:04 AM, "Edgar Owen" wrot
Chris,
That's a complete misunderstanding of what Godel's Incompleteness proof does...
Edgar
On Nov 25, 2012, at 5:37 PM, ChrisAustinLane wrote:
>
> Actually Godel established that truth is not a logical construct. Only
> provability is. What that leaves truth as is unspecified by Godel but
Chris,
That etiquette applies to snipping posts down the thread aways. 3 or 4 previous
posts down depending on context. Snipping the immediately preceding post you
are replying to including the poster's name is discourteous and insulting to
that poster and also destroys the context of the reply
Merle and Joe,
This is so obvious.
The holocaust is truth. Was the holocaust beautiful?
If not then TRUTH IS NOT = BEAUTY.
You two need to start using your heads on this.
If you don't agree then to you the holocaust and all other horrible truths are
beautiful...
Edgar
On Nov 25, 2012,
http://www.thezensite.com/ZenTeachings/Dogen_Teachings/Shobogenzo_Complete.html
http://www.thezensite.com/ZenTeachings/Dogen_Teachings/Shobogenzo/039gabyo.pdf
On Nov 25, 2012 5:04 AM, "Edgar Owen" wrote:
>
>
> Chris,
>
> I haven't read it, at least under that name. Can you post it here please?
>
http://www.thezensite.com/ZenTeachings/Dogen_Teachings/Shobogenzo/039gabyo.pdf
You will note gabyo in the link URL.
There are something like 97 chapters in Shobogenzo ("Right.Treasury of the
Dharma Eye" iirc. )
I am not sure you would like it - Bill and Edgar's debate make me think
they would en
Chris,
Gonna have to look into THAT, here. Been too long since I read good SF.
Shelves are full of it, here, but have not acquired anything new in decades, I
think. Can you believe it?
Will check the used bookstore close-by, a few blocks away, next week-day.
Got the reference. Who knows, m
Merle,
Then, I doubt you read his whole ...boring ...book. ;-)
You haven't said if you have or not. Take a tip from Edgar, and tell us. Or a
tip from me, and tell me to "Shove it".
But, you didn't read all that drivel, or my name is not Jack Dempsey.
--Joe
> Merle Lester wrote:
>
> joe...
A logical point, but isn't the experience of non-dual reality just seeing what
is and appreciating it? The gap between "what is" (aka truth) and "what could
be" (aka beauty) is gone and where we are is just perfect precious and with the
right seeing beautiful.
Thanks,
Chris Austin-Lane
Sent f
Chris,
Took the words right out of my mouth.
--Joe
> ChrisAustinLane wrote:
>
> Actually Godel established that truth is not a logical construct. Only
> provability is. What that leaves truth as is unspecified by Godel but any
> human maths worker can attest to the strange beauty of truth.
[
Chris,
Thanks, Chris. Pls. let me/us (all) know anything more, to make the costs
lighter. I know that mobile access is more and more important, and I am not
actually as stuck in the 20-years-ago department as I let on. But, I am. ;-)
Tnx, Brother.
--J.
> ChrisAustinLane wrote:
>
> I pers
Being a big fan of the fictional series Red Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars, by Kim
Stanley Robinson, I would take a one way ticket to Mars, as soon as my kids are
established as adults and probably I wouldn't get the chance anyways.
There are no Zen references in the trilogy but there are some Whi
Actually Godel established that truth is not a logical construct. Only
provability is. What that leaves truth as is unspecified by Godel but any human
maths worker can attest to the strange beauty of truth.
Thanks,
Chris Austin-Lane
Sent from a cell phone
On Nov 25, 2012, at 4:57, Edgar Owen
I personally find the endlessly growing requoted and unsnipped emails to be a
breach of nettiquette. Top posting and quoting the entire thread is
traditionally frowned on in text only fora, and was not normal until about ten
years ago when MS Outlook became so common.
On my phone the bandwidth
Edgar,
Thanks, yep.
That's me; warm and fuzzy; fuzzy and warm. I have left hard-headed left-brain
sidedness aside. At least in my post with Merle!, which is where it counts.
With you, I reverse the hemispherectomy, and come at you with both fists.
I mean, just don't tempt me.
;-)
--Joe
>
Joe,
This is fuzzy thinking on your part. Mathematicians and many scientists agree
with me that truth is beautiful, but it is not beauty itself, it's mathematical
and scientific truth which has THE CHARACTERISTIC of beauty.
Important distinction though I doubt it will register with the fuzzy mi
Merle,
I agree that truth is beautiful. But it is NOT beauty per se...
Edgar
On Nov 25, 2012, at 4:04 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
>
> edgar... don't get me going...truth is beauty and that is that...and beauty
> is truth...merle
>
>
> Merle,
>
> Come on Merle. Pointing out the two words ha
Merle,
Can Google.
(they'd both love that)
--J.
> Merle Lester wrote:
>
> Â never heard of merce
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links
<*> To visit your g
Merle,
Let me say, I not only did the best I WANTED, but the best I COULD. A rare
such time for me. And I've come up wanting. I know nothing of Life.
But the stars were not in alignment?
Solstice, in a month from last Wednesday.
--J.
> Merle Lester wrote:
>
> joe understand is where i
Merle,
The Mathematicians are on your side, by the way.
And so is the cadre of Theoretical Physicists, worldwide. Einstein, too.
Do you WANT them on your side?
*I* wouldn't. ;-)
--Joe
> Merle Lester wrote:
>
> edgar... don't get me going...truth is beauty and that is that...and beauty
> i
Merle,
Yeah, I know what you mean.
Maybe this is why I have "morphed" in the way Bill! has done. Somewhat! For
me, from steel-string, to electric, to... Nylon!, Classical and Flamenco.
Solamente.
But I like to revisit the hard sounds when the spirit moves.
I'm into straight-ahead Jazz, too
Merle,
Personally, I need help with my housework. Or maybe I should just do it
myself. ;-)
After Edgar does his homework, there will be no need or opportunity for
arguing. The Universe will not LAST that long. ;-)
--Joe
> Merle Lester wrote:
>
> edgar.
>
> .crap...
> get out your philos
Merle,
I'd MUCH rather see Gene Kelly dance in "Singing in the Rain" than hear or read
the som-a-b' talk about his Theory of Dance.
But he once taught me that practice, for him, is always necessary, because he
does not want anyone to hear ON-CAMERA, ON-SET, "his KNEES, creak!" He kept
himself
Merle,
You just did, darlin'. ;-)
--Joe
> Merle Lester wrote:
>
> yum joe
>
> can i join you
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links
<*> To visit your group on the
Merle-Cousin,
Here in my Arizona-Room. Traditionally, here in the South-West, that's an
all-windowed studio facing North, where it does not receive the heat of the
Sun, which is substantially "too much" in most seasons in our Sonoran desert.
But there are good LOCKS on the doors, and no one ca
never heard of merce
merle
Merle,
LOVE those old codgers. ;-)
--Joe
PS Tell you a story sometime, about Cage! BTW, what's your take on Merce
Cunningham? Friend of John's (Cage). Lover, too, I think.
> Merle Lester wrote:
>
> for you info joe..i know the work of john
Merle,
Then show me a view of Saturn from Iapetus. Pls! ;-)
--Joe
PS Tweach his Zone. No, DON'T! ;-)
> Merle Lester wrote:
>
> yes joe..some look for how to paint by numbers..that's ok..i look inside
> myself...each to his own..merle
Current Boo
joe understand is where it is at... it's hard work..but so is life!
we can share understanding...aren't we doing that right this very minute in
this email..huh..merle
Merle,
Thanks, great question, and cuts to the heart. (ouch) ;-)
The difference between Appreciation and Un
Merle,
LOVE those old codgers. ;-)
--Joe
PS Tell you a story sometime, about Cage! BTW, what's your take on Merce
Cunningham? Friend of John's (Cage). Lover, too, I think.
> Merle Lester wrote:
>
> for you info joe..i know the work of john cage and suzuki..merle
edgar... don't get me going...truth is beauty and that is that...and beauty is
truth...merle
Merle,
Come on Merle. Pointing out the two words have different meanings doesn't mean
I don't appreciate both. Why would you assume otherwise?
Edgar
On Nov 25, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Merle Lester w
Merle,
Thanks, great question, and cuts to the heart. (ouch) ;-)
The difference between Appreciation and Understanding?
Appreciation is being overwhelmed by love and warmth, uncanny MYSTERY, and
community, even the community of just ONE other person, the artist, but the
artist speaks for *A W
for joe.
you like guitars..
too noisy for me
i'm so into chinese traditional music..so so beautiful.
...merle
>
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeXf90OGTHE
edgar.
.crap...
get out your philosophy book and start again!
i'm not arguing with you here until you do some homework
merle
Merle,
Beauty is not truth, nor is truth beauty. That's why they are two different
words. Look up the defs.
Truth is a logical concept; in Zen terms it's what
Merle,
Come on Merle. Pointing out the two words have different meanings doesn't mean
I don't appreciate both. Why would you assume otherwise?
Edgar
On Nov 25, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
>
>
> crap edgar..
>
> i'm not pea podding you with this one!
>
> you have no poetry in
joe...yes i do understand what kandinsky is saying.
.and i absolutely adore paul klee..
.i repeat i love a bit of theory..i write a bit myself... i like writing as an
expressive force.
.i know what you are saying tis true..the art stands before ya..yes indeed.
..if an artist choose to write
yum joe
can i join you
merle
Merle,
Thanks for the reply! Good to hear from ya, Cous'.
And a Good Morning from the desert. I'll have a second coffee now, after that
tall stack of golden-brown pancakes with whipped butter and blue Agave syrup.
Several slices of Heaven, there.
joe been there done that...30 years of teaching...some get it some don't...are
all folk zen no...same with art..try explaining abstract art to an egg
head...blank wall...or let's say brick wall..now a days i spend my last
remaining days of breath enjoying my 2 grandchildren's art making...my g/
joe...where are your paintings?? merle
Merle,
Trust me, I'll take your word for that.
You asked what I'll try to "say" through my painting, and I replied at a little
length. Do you understand?
Let me know if you'd like to see such paintings.
BTW, no tea?
--Joe
> Merle Lester wro
joe..i am thinking mars was once earth..the rate we earthlings are stuffing
this planet up..it will be a desert sooner than later... merle
Merle,
It's all of Nature and Human nature that I care for, Merle. Space is just the
biggest part of Nature. And it's not separate from our planet: t
yes joe..some look for how to paint by numbers..that's ok..i look inside
myself...each to his own..merle
Merle,
Yeah, that WAS silly. SOME people! ;-)
I don't know what art is about. I think it absolutely differs for each and
every artist, just as people say that our psyches differ, on
for you info joe..i know the work of john cage and suzuki..merle
Bill!, Edgar, Mike, and others on this thread,
I recall an account of an exchange that transpired at a philosophical meeting
in Hawai'i in the early 1950s, at University of Hawai'i, Honolulu.
This account was transmitted by
crap edgar..
i'm not pea podding you with this one!
you have no poetry in your soul
merle
Edgar,
What's a synomymn of "Thesaurus"? ;-)
--Joe
> Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> Beauty is not truth, nor is truth beauty. That's why they are two different
> words.
[snip]
joe..
i often hear the expression : "i know what i like"referring to the art,
music, poetry, literature yes well that's ok..
what is the difference between understanding and appreciation?..
.yes you can appreciate but don't you want to understand...artists tell
stories...it's all story
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