Dear Joe,
Nice explanation.
But I cannot follow all mails in this forum. I wonder how quickly you guys
respond.
I have realised that balance lies in mind and not in the body while riding bike
or driving car, and that is true.
Best regards
Suresh
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Hi Bill,
I followed until: "Waves broke".
The rest is a bit confusing. It's as if the 'self' is back.
Siska
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From: "Bill!"
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Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 10:04:29
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Subject: [Zen] Nice Quote
..Bill!
Merle,
But that's the real practice isn't it, to stay balanced no matter what is ahead
you, and also to not pass our judgement on anything ;-)
Siska
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Hi Mike,
It's been s long since anyone talked to me with all these terms :)
After a while, the "seeing as seeing" moments have less 'centered feeling'. The
seer sort of diluted and sometimes, it's gone. This is already when I was with
current vipassana approach, not Mahasi tradition. So I d
Hello Joe,
I think wood things at Zen temples are beautiful. It must feel good to be able
to make such things.
> I am impressed and intrigued by the way you so intimately and technically
> know the states attained and passed through in Vipassana practice.
That sounds more like Mike to me :-)
Joe,
Tim has been a member of the Forum since 2009. That's before you were born.
So he's entitled to a little free 'SPAM' from time to time - at least once
every 3 or 4 years or so...
...Bill!
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Gaack; spam-city, come to visit. And be evicted, I hope.
Bye, Tim Goes... and goes.
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Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links
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Bill!,
It fills the bill, Bill!(!). --Joe
> "Bill!" wrote:
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> Oopps! Another mistake...
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> I should have written "Mike! Mike! Mike!" and not "Merle! Merle!
> Merle!"...Bill!
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or a
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Mike,
I think so too...Bill!
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> Bill!,I know, but smiley faces take the fun out of it.
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Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or ar
Merle,
I'm 50 years removed from my teens. Books which riveted me in my teens were
THIS IS IT by Alan Watts, THE HOBBIT and the LORD OF THE RINGS trilogy by
J.R.R. Tolkien and THE TEACHINGS OF DON JUAN: A YAQUI WAY TO KNOWLEDGE by
Carlos Castenada.
THE ISLAND is interesting but so far (I'm ab
Merle,Not this time. Well done!MikeSent from
Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Bill!,I know, but smiley faces take the fun out of it.
MikeSent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
bill..it was a could not put down book for me when i read it in early teens...
what's holding you back?..time?...merle
Merle,
I have not finished reading THE ISLAND, but I do intend to. I'll let you know
when I've done so. Thanks for the reminder.
...Bill!
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Merle,
I have not finished reading THE ISLAND, but I do intend to. I'll let you know
when I've done so. Thanks for the reminder.
...Bill!
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> Â attention attention attention..bill..and have you finished reading " the
> island"..?..
where..mike ...? merle
Bill!,
I put an apostrophe in place of the 'w'.. Don't tell me you fell for it? I
thought Merle might have, but you?...
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attention attention attention..bill..and have you finished reading " the
island"..?..merle
Oopps! Another mistake...
I should have written "Mike! Mike! Mike!" and not "Merle! Merle!
Merle!"...Bill!
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> Merle! Merle! Merle!
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> Wh
at least you HAVE a sense of humour mike!
unlike some who yakka yakka yakka singing the song.."onward rational
soldiers, onward rational mind"...
i say ho hum!..i could add pig's bum..but i'll be refined and civilised..
ho hum!..
merle
Haha! Haven't made myself laugh in ages! Good one
bill bill bill... i know what you meant...my favourite what i call my zen
phrase...is ho hum... if i could scan you in a black outline drawing ...it
would be of a shaven head with large ears...eyes cast downwards and a tiny
mouth...saying ho hum. merle
Merle! Merle! Merle!
When I
Mike,
I assumed you were being facetious, even sans smiley face, but I thought there
might be others on the Forum including JMJM who might actually jump to that
conclusion - so I thought it would be better to be safe than sorry...
I was lauding the two lines in JMJM's post and exhorting him and
Bill!,I put an apostrophe in place of the 'w'.. Don't tell me you
fell for it? I thought Merle might have, but you?... Sent from
Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Oopps! Another mistake...
I should have written "Mike! Mike! Mike!" and not "Merle! Merle!
Merle!"...Bill!
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> Merle! Merle! Merle!
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> When I wrote "Zen Ho!" I didn't mean 'Zen Whore', I meant it as a rousing
> phrase to say something l
Haha! Haven't made myself laugh in ages! Good one me!Sent from
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Merle! Merle! Merle!
When I wrote "Zen Ho!" I didn't mean 'Zen Whore', I meant it as a rousing
phrase to say something like 'Onward Zen!'. It's the way it's used in
something like "Westward Ho!" or 'Forward Ho!"
Sorry for the confusion...Bill!
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and i add ho hum...merle
Bill!,
I think calling JMJM a "Zen 'ho!" is highly inappropriate on this forum..
Mike
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Sent: Sat, May 25, 2013 1:37:29 AM
JMJM below wrote
Bill!,I think calling JMJM a "Zen 'ho!" is highly inappropriate on
this forum..Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
JMJM below wrote:
> Drop our logic mind. Erase everything that we hold dearly.
>
> Open our heart and let it connect to our True Self.
Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' about!!! Zen Ho!
...Bill!
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> Hi Joe,
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> Not sure I read you
JMJM,
he writes:
"Not sure I read you correctly... ".
Please *BE* sure.
The ball is in your court.
Read again; let it sink in again.
If I am deficient, let me know.
If my expression lacks, then please let me know.
Others here are watching.
This is serious.
There are no dangerous words. T
Hi Joe,
Not sure I read you correctly...
Chan is in everything. in every word and logic of yours and mine. Words
are dangerous, because they are subject to interpretations.
Drop our logic mind. Erase everything that we hold dearly.
Open our heart and let it connect to our True Self.
A bow
JMJM, Donald,
Well, you are "Absolutely" correct.
And that is unfortunately the weakness in speaking as you do.
The Absolute holds no sway when it is people in the relative plane who we are
talking with, and who we, as Bodhisattvas, hope to help.
"Originally enlightened" simply means "endowed
what the way you understand it guru edgar?..bit of fascism in your reply i
note...merle
Bill,
Yes, nice quote IF you understand it correctly. The correct understanding is
this is how the world of forms evolves and manifests in the sea of Buddha
Nature.
Edgar
On May 24, 2013, at 6:04 A
Hi Joe,
Thank you. I meant to write "originally enlightened", not "already
enlightened"..
Thank you for pointed it.
JM
On 5/24/2013 10:50 AM, Joe wrote:
JMJM,
Most kind of you, too; thanks.
And/But...
I would not repeat those words, "We all are already enlightened". It's
misleading.
JMJM,
Most kind of you, too; thanks.
And/But...
I would not repeat those words, "We all are already enlightened". It's
misleading.
(I know you say, "originally", and I agree with you: it's more technically
correct. BUT... it does NOT make a practical difference, which is what COUNTS.
Pls.
Hi Joe,
Agreed with your emphasis about the role of a teacher.
I would say, "Everyone and everyone thing is our teacher, because there
are Chan in everyone and everything." Yet, "no one and none needs to be
our teacher, because we were originally enlightened."
Having a teacher on one hand c
Donald, JMJM,
To learn Zen meditation, a teacher is not only so useful, but necessary. It's
also necessary to practice with the group that the teacher has attracted, at
least for a while.
As you know, people need to get started correctly. Also, then they naturally
need guidance -- and suppor
Hi Merle,
What you have expressed here is pure Buddhism. You have described the
"emptiness by nature" of all "forms." They are all true. They are
true suffering as described by Buddha. So why be human again in our
next life. The only way to stop being human again is to cleans all our
ka
Bill!,
Tribalism has been the history of Humans. And with tribalism, violence and the
old "us-versus-them" has also been a key part of our heritage.
Some religions embrace violence and killing, and use it for "religion's" ends,
in spreading the religion, and to make a display of "righteousness
Bill!, Edgar, Mike,
It's Mike who deserves credit on that score, Bill!.
I also give him credit, there, and I add my voice -- however unskilled -- to
his. And yours.
with Cheers,
--Joe
PS (I leave most of the "paper-trail" quoted below, so you can check proper
attribution).
> "Bill!" wrote
Merle,
Thanks for asking, Merle.
You asked if I had a self. I wrote back about how it goes with me.
I asked if you have a self.
And, now, if you feel you have a self, do you feel "bound" by it? Do you feel
that its habits keep you from right behavior at times?
These limitations are the thin
Mike,
I understand the danger in the numbers who have gone renegade and violent. I
just don't consider them Muslims (the several Muslim orthodoxies ought to drum
them out, and be done with them, let them know they have no harbor. Islam
needs a Pope).
It's like those who pretend to approach Z
Bill!,Sorry Bill!, but I just think your argument avoids the
reality of the situation. Of course there are bad people who will use religion
as an excuse for their actions. But what about the ones who really - and I mean
really- believe their actions are what their God demands as per the scriptur
Edgar,
So...does your statement below mean if you don't understand it correctly it's
not a nice quote? The sea foam is a metaphor for illusion. It's something
that has been churned up, appearing for a short time to be something separate
from the sea, a dualistic set of sea:foam. I think you'
Edgar,
Again we are dancing around semantics here.
The way I see it all zen techniques are focused on dissolving the illusion of
duality. One of these illusions, and IMO the most pernicious, is the illusion
of self. Since the self is the anchor point for attachments when it is seen as
illuso
Mike,
I'd say there are people who for any number of reasons want to do bad things
and some justify their actions with religion.
As we've discussed before I think the only difference between today's Muslim
extremists and Christian extremists is about 150 years; and maybe 50 or less
for Jewish
Bill,
Yes, nice quote IF you understand it correctly. The correct understanding is
this is how the world of forms evolves and manifests in the sea of Buddha
Nature.
Edgar
On May 24, 2013, at 6:04 AM, Bill! wrote:
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Bill,
Of course there are techniques for dropping attachments.. And they are
essential for realization
Edgar
On May 24, 2013, at 5:40 AM, Bill! wrote:
> Joe and Mike,
>
> Dropping or dissolving attachments might be the result of zen practice, but
> as Joe says it's not a technique. Yo
Take note of what, Merle? I've already addressed this post of Bill!'s in a
previous post. MikeSent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
Bill!,Ok, got it!MikeSent from Yahoo! Mail
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yes bill...that is just as you say...take note mike..merle
Mike, Merle, Joe, et al...
IMO the 'Big Three' monotheistic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam)
all are based on the premise that they have the ear of the one and only god and
everyone who doesn't accept that is wrong an
Bill!,Ok, so you've narrowed my 'all religions are not the same' to
just the three mono-theistic ones. Fair enough, but does that you mean you
agree that those other religions I mentioned are nothing like Islam regarding
messages of hate and violence?Comparing those 3 Abrahamic still
leaves Isl
Mike,
I just posted something on this.
I have certainly heard this phrase of something like it, but not as a practice
or technique; only as a possible consequence of a practice or technique - like
shikantaza.
...Bill!
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> Bill!,Have you
Bill!,Have you never come across "drop your attachments" in your
history of Zen practice? Have you ever used the expression yourself?
MikeSent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
...Bill!
Mike, Merle, Joe, et al...
IMO the 'Big Three' monotheistic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam)
all are based on the premise that they have the ear of the one and only god and
everyone who doesn't accept that is wrong and going to hell. That makes
intolerance and mistreatment of non-be
Joe and Mike,
Dropping or dissolving attachments might be the result of zen practice, but as
Joe says it's not a technique. You might as well command someone to "Have
compassion!", or "Grow hair!".
...Bill!
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> Joe,Fair enough. 'When sit
Edgar and Joe,
Since I'm not a Buddhist I don't use the Eightfold Path as a guide for my
conduct, and although I do tend to do as Edgar has suggested (tell the truth
come Hell or high water) I would have to agree with Joe here that the approach
most true to Right Speech would be one which emplo
Merle,I.don't know how I could make my point any clearer, but here
goes.If the Koran is no different to any other religious book and
Islam is just he same as any other religion, then why don't we see Jains
strapping suicide-bombs to their bodies? Why aren't the Amish stoning
adulterers? Where a
for bonnie
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/naked-citizens/
merle
hallo JM..
many thanks for this..
my doubts are such that: every human thought is a mental game...
this "knowledge" as in these links is no more or no less but speculation...
is it true
is it truth?.
is it the way
it certainly could be a a path
is it the only path
and who will be the
mike..yes..so..what's your point?
the law of the land say no killing...
so why are you bringing me quotes ..
let us not forget..onward christian soldiers as to going forth to war...
christians have done plenty of massacres too...they all are into it...humans
..they are into the kill ki
Merle,You've written 3 similar posts, so I'll answer all of hem in
this post. You say these crimes have nothing to do with religion. Yet the Jews
in Palestine cite the Torah as giving them the authority to take the land. The
9/11 hi-jackers completely believed they were going to paradise for the
edgar... why do you lecture me?..i know!..merle
Merle,
These are the easy ones for the emotionally touchy feelly Pollyannas.
Try seeing awakening in the Boston bombing and the Oklahoma tornado.
Those are equally part of reality
And even more difficult try seeing awakening in the drivel
..enjoy...merle
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edgar..right speech answers the needs of the needy... including the
wankers..merle
Edgar,
It's a translation from the Pali Canon. If you don't believe that the sutras
are the actual teachings from Buddha, why do you even bother mentioning Right
Speech? Also, I challenge you to find just
siska... yes bangkok...
what stumps me is that buddhist countries, e.g. cambodia burma are so violent
and anti- practising buddhism...
i was stunned by bangkok,,the degree of corruption, the desire for material
wealth, the sex trade..the contrast between rich and poor.. even in 1974
it's
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