You could try and write a poem. You could start with, "There was an old man
called Bill who.." etc etc.
Bill Smart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Donald
Hwong,
You're right, of course, and I wrestle with this each time I sit down
to write a post - how can I best ex
t, but does not necessarily
depend on rationality. How about a haiku?
Young fox pokes old bear,
Bear smiles, revealing long fangs,
Fur flies, brown and red.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You could try and write a poem. You could
Yeah true, they're vulgar and earthy - but they don't stink.
Bill Smart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What, a limerick?
I assumed they were passe,
But what do I know?
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Nah, haiku stinks.
Haha! Well said - a fart would have been much better!
Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Limited Time Only $5
5-7-5 meter
a grasping student
stinking of wisdom farted
at the zen forum
mocking Dogen and
other zen masters was easy
understanding was not
There was an old Bill
who looked
Hi cid! I think Al is a great teacher for you. You've already answered your own
post - now just put it into practice...
cid830 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There you go again, Al... Did you
not invite direct email in a prior
post? Yes, a discussion of various topics in a park can be
inv
Not answering is answering the question... damn!
Bill Smart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What is the
relationship, if any, between zen and buddhism?
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poop. Good morning, Bill!
Bill Smart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The
stealthy fox slips silently into your lair,
Stealing you blind while you sleep,
Awaking bewildered, not knowing what ha
The heart of the subject is the same.
anatmanwave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ---Same thing, Zen comes from
Chan from the Chinese, they morphed it
from India.
Just a matter of semantics but subject is the same.
Guy
In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Smart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Can you practice zen without being buddhist? If no, why? If not,
> why?
>
> Thanks...Bill!
>
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown wrote:
> >
> > The heart of the subject is the same.
> >
> > anatmanwave wrote: ---Same thing, Zen
>
Or maybe the raft fee is $5?
Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: "anatmanwave"
Don't forget to send me your $5 donation for the "I AM A BUDDHIST"
membership card.
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Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: "cid830"
this isn't the Kung Fu TV series and nobody talks like that.
I am going back into lurk mode. Bill is better at guiding folks in a
positive friendly way.
Let me amend that - a raft disposal collection fee.
Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: "anatmanwave"
Don't forget to send me your $5 donation for the "I AM A BUDDHIST"
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Good idea! It's probably down the back of the sofa.
anatmanwave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ---You want to know what Zen
is? Clean your house. Guy
In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Smart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think so too - and if that's the case I'd like to make the most
.Guy
In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "anatmanwave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ---lol,in the cleaning of it at least.Guy
>
> In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown wrote:
> >
> > Good idea! It's probably down the back of the sofa.
> >
>
I know what you mean. Brings on a totally new meaning to Unmon's: If you walk,
just walk. If you sit; just sit; but whatever you do, don't wobble. Maybe in
a modern context that would have been his warning to his co-driver if they'd
been pulled over..
Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I
I thought.
The monk clearly showed his practice.
Just thought it would supplement the cleaning behind the couch thing
Guy
In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I guess you had to be there...
>
> anatmanwave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Heart mind", ground of being, 'the Self (but not the self), Man is God, God is
Man' (but not man), 'where the shrill of the pheasant swallows the field'... or
if you like, 'the place where the answer lies before we open our mouths'. All
of which are perfectly subjective and at the same time uni
Middle finger
points to the moon,
This farty xmas nite.
Happy Xmas
Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: "Bill Smart"
Fingered thoughts in mind
stinky odors permeate zen forum
sniff the cushion again
-
Sen
Middle finger swallows the moon
and yet,
the fragrance of nutsacks.
craig omanion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The middle finger pointing at the moon
is not the moon
not is it the moons middle finger
craig
mike brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev:
M
Gun shoots bullet,
Hole where head should be,
Hot tea refreshes the World.
Bill Smart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Haiku .357
Glock 3-3,
Loaded, safety off,
Would you like a cup of tea?
---
Thanks Robert! Of course, I should have used 'slug' not "bullet" to conform to
the 'ghetto' .357 haiku format so thanks for making me aware. :)
Robert Kirbo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 19:13:04 -0800,
mike brown
wrote:
> Gun sho
I think I corrected this in an earlier post ('slug' instead od "bullet") to
conform to the .357 'magnu,' form. But it's all a work in progress...
Bill Smart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This Haiku is 4-5-7. What gives?
...Bill!
--- In Zen_
Excuse the rushed spelling - 'magnum'.
mike brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think I corrected this in an
earlier post ('slug' instead od "bullet") to conform to the .357 'magnu,' form.
But it's all a work in progress...
Bill Smart
When the old drunk guy sitting next to you on the train farts and shits himself
and the odour fills the carriage - are you going to cleanse your chakras or
what else are you going to do?
Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦ç²¾æ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Koan is
for the practitioners to wake
Me too! But it's 'how' we move which determines the zen..
Bill Smart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Move to a different carriageâ¦Bill!
When the old drunk guy sitting next to you on the train farts and shits
himself and the odour fills the carriage - ar
Yep! Every time I attempt haiku.
Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sometimes how we
move determines whether or not you squirt your pants...Ever
have the squirts??
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You mean there's a glass???
Robert Kirbo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Of course, if you keep insisting on the glass
half full, and
only filled with waste products, hey, then I cannot liberate you...
Zenbob
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>
> When the old drunk guy sitting next to you on the train farts and
shits himself and the odour fills the carriage - are you going to
cleanse your chakras or what else are you going to do?
>
> Jue Miao Jing Min
...then were something more...
Robert Kirbo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 06:04:54 -0800,
anatmanwave
wrote:
> --- Just be with the smell of shit till i can get off. This is the
> reality of the situation. Maybe offer the guy a few kind words, I
> could only imagine his morti
... now they're just mountains once more.
Bill Smart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
ZenBob,
Thanks for your excellent post.
Before I continue I want to make sure my posts are received as I intend them.
Ive been accused in the past of sounding preac
top barking. Ah, but if he shits on the carpet I'll have to clean
it. Right, I'll get up but the mutt's gonna get a kick for this " Or do we
choose, "Oh shit"... and just get out of bed and let him out?
Robert Kirbo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu,
Interesting. I'm no student of either tanka or haiku, but the line "Autumn
cries for spring..." is completely at odds with the spirit of zen (well, haiku
at least - but not sure about tanka). Autumn does no such thing. Sounds like
the poetry of Keats or Shelley claiming that the 'trees mourn o
Haha! And Chairman Mao would crack your nutsack with that bit of selective
propoganda. (read what followed after I wrote that sentence)...
Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: "mike brown"
>
Holy shit, a poetry critic? Bankei would kick your as
Not "probably" but, as already admitted, completely ignorant. However, it still
remains outside of zen to claim that "Autumn cries for spring". Sentimental,
subjective and completely ignorant of 'talking about the thing in itself'.
and Mike probably was totally ignorant of the history of Ha
Robert. Being a bit touchy there, aren't you? The critique was a well founded
one regarding zen and the impossible sentimentality of the seasons (this is
just not Zen). It had nothing to do whatsoever with your "reconciliation" with
anyone. If such a comment has the power to "cast a shadow..." i
There was no "argument or "critique". Not to my thinking.
Robert Kirbo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:23:09 -0800,
mike brown
wrote:
> The critique was a well founded one regarding zen and the impossible
> sentimentality of the seasons (this
I guess you've gone out of town for a while, but I hope we can continue with
this thread when you're back. I have the feeling it'll be good fun! (but I
still know I'm correct...). Gone fishing, Mike.
Robert Kirbo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 2
Hi Bill. I don't have much to say about your words regarding sentient beings,
Christianity and Enlightenment because I think our views are in accord.
However, I'd just like to add that in discussions about zen and the bodhisattva
ideal there is often some confusion about what this actually means
Yeah, know what you mean. Maybe poets are just gentler and more sensitive souls
than us philistines. I'm still scratching my head to see where I wrote anything
insulting or argumentative.
Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: "mike brown"
I
lead to mental constructs and therefore not to that which
lies before our very noses. Sometimes I think the best piece of advice I've
read on this list is Al's throwing away of his books on Zen.
Bill Smart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Thur
Bill wrote:
>One of his students, Mahakashyapa, smiled indicating he had >received
>Buddhas teachings. He became the first Patriarch of zen.
Jeff
Bill is like a prudent old grandpa who only offers you only one sweet knowing
full well that anymore will make your teeth fall out. But also h
Hi Craig. Yes, I agree - this is a good group right now (I couldn't help that
asside either!). For me, I try to get past the idea of even a mystery because
that separates us into a BIG question seeking one BIG answer, whereas our lives
are really one Big Question/Answer. What works for me instea
Bill wrote:
>I was not right, I spoke too much.
Yes. What a pity you couldn't tweak his nose. You can do much better ferrying
like that.
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ng over to the other shore (religious
regalia is optional). Mike.
Bill Smart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thursday, Jan 10 Mike Brown
wrote:
>Yes. What a pity you couldn't tweak his nose. You can do much better
ferrying like that.
Excellent idea! Now what would be the
... boo!
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>Boo who?
Why are you upset?
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e: no death
I can live with no death. But is life worth living with no Zen
Forum
posts?
...Bill!
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, mike brown wrote:
>
> Bill wrote:
> >Boo who?
Whatever happened to Rev Fudo and Genryu? I remember reading their posts before
I went to Japan, but then I stopped reading any forum posts until recently.
Were these the said victims?
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Sent: Tuesday, 15 Janua
008 3:57:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: no death
From: "mike brown" .
Those guys were never victims. However, they did run off to parts unknown.
Fudo came back briefly at some point and then disappeared.
Unfortunately, all these events happened before we had our video cam set-up
in the Do
Yep, there's certainly alot of cheese here to catch a mouse from time to time.
Er, although not from me of course..
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From: Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 15 January, 2008 5:01:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: no death
I think your opinion is very well put, but in response to Bill's assertion that
what has the political situation in Tibet got to with Zen I would say that
everything we do as members of a society has political ramifications. Even if
we do nothing, claiming to be apolitical, we still end up unwit
Others choose 'change from without' and the method of polictics.
So...I'll take the high road 'n you take the low road...n' I'll get
t'Scotland 'afor yee!
...Bill!
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>
> I think your opinion is very
d trip...I'll be looking forward to your post...Bill!
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>
> Hi! Thanks for the response Bill. Needless to say there are lots of
things I would like to comment on in your post but I'm literally
(well, almost literally) running out the d
If only the monk could have been compassionate to have cut the scorpion`s head
off then he could have seen his true nature.
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Sent: Monday, 11 February, 2008 11:56:50 PM
Subject: Re: SV: RE: [Ze
improve the lives of others.
Neither way is wrong, and neither way is the only way.
Glad you’re back…Bill!
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Of mike brown
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 2:47 PM
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Sorry Bill, but a good magician never explains his tricks. You should have let
Cynth work it out for herself - we all knew what you were doing! :)
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Sent: Saturday, 16 February, 2008 1:05:27 PM
Subject:
Hi Al,
I remember those heady days when Fudo and Genryu were `patrolling` this forum
and I learnt a lot from them too. In fact, it was partly thru` Fudo`s
contribution that I went to Japan. However, after over 3 years of living there
I came to the conclusion that following a Japanese form of Z
Bill: `...a long-haired, bearded hippie`.I knew it! I knew it! Add
clairvoyant to my list of many titles.
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mike brown <> I remember those heady days when Fudo and Genryu were
`patrolling` this forum and I learnt a lot from them too. In fact, it
was partly thru` Fudo`s contribution that I went to Japan.>>
Did Fudo help you get accomodated with a Zen Temple?
Chris wrote:
>Thanks
>The Pope of Zen
Chris, don`t take what you see, read or hear about yourself so personally. And
especially don`t carry around with you the anger or resentment you feel is
just. Al`s comment about you being the `pope of zen` was a long time ago but by
holding on to it the
, clean-shaven hippie...Bill!
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mike brown
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [Zen] Helping Others
Bill: `...a long-haired, bearded hippie`. I knew it! I knew it! Add clair
ll!
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> Nah, old hippies never die - they just smell that way!! :)
>
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Hi Chris. No-one can piss for you and conversely you can`t piss for anyone
else. If people choose not to respond to a perceived insult that is their
choice. Furthermore, it might only be you who believes it to be an insult in
the first point. There is a teaching technique in Buddhism called kahu
Yep. From Bill this should have read:
. When hungry I eat.
.When tired I sleep.
.When rested I wake.. man.
.Bill
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From: Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 21 February, 2008 12:36:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Zen] Intro
From:
You left out one
As a whitey, kinda pink man (who goes a lovely shade of chestnut in the summer
months) - you were wrong! But you get brownie points (no pun intended) for
seeing the error of your ways :) Mike.
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From: cid830 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu
Couldn`t you just get the kids to sew cushions for the local temple? That way
the practioners get a comfortable session, you get a pat on the head from your
roshi and the kids wipeout years of their negative karma.
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From: Charlie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Zen_Forum@yah
I`m amazed you think anyone has the ability to see colour on this forum - I
just see black and white letters.
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Sent: Thursday, 21 February, 2008 4:43:48 AM
Subject: [Zen] Re: What It Is In 2008
"
Hi Al,
I`m not so sure everything has a purpose - at least in a Zen/Buddhist context.
I think we sometimes give (empty) phenonema a sense of purpose to `explain` why
something good/bad has happened. For example, if a boulder falls on a car full
of family members and kills them all we would be te
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From: mike brown >to give any phenonema a sense of purpose would require
giving that phenonema a sense of purpose right back to the Big Bang. So
there. >
Which is exactly
Chuck,
True, but is the purpose of a chair inherent in object itself or is it given? A
chair to an Amazonian pygmy would have a different purpose than it would to you
or I. All objects/phenonema are empty of meaning. I think the `water pitcher`
koan demonstrates this well.
Mike.
Al,
Both these kinds of issues cannot be determined and require a certain amount of
faith and belief (less so in science). This is why Buddha remained silent when
asked metaphysical questions of this kind. Answering them makes no difference
to human suffering and Buddhism, after all, is only for
Bill and Chuck,
"Wash your bowls" is as good as any non-logical statement, I guess. However,
`ordinary mind is the Way` seems to allow for logic to be used as a means to
showing the Truth. Furthermore, the gates to the Dharma are "countless" which
also seems to imply that nothing (including logi
Hi Folks,
I haven't posted here for awhile as I"ve been busy moving house and changing
jobs yada yada.. However, during that time I managed to do a 10 day Vipassana
course. Wow! I would recommend everyone interested in meditation to try this
course if they can - the reward is well worth the 10 d
Hi Al,
I get the feeling from the general thrust of your posts that you're looking for
something, some kind of meaning to your existence. Nothing wrong with that, but
IMHO there is nothing to look for - no spiritual experience, no angels, no God,
no Enlightenment, no heaven/hell, no Saviour to c
Hi Chris,
Whilst sitting on my vipassana retreat I experienced many instances of energy
rushing up my spine (kundalini), mind expansion, loss of physical/mental
boundaries reuslting in feelings of oceanic bliss and even one occassion where
I became nothing but a body of minute, blue paricles. I
Hi Al,
I'm a Kyokushin karate practioner and have represented Australia (actually I'm
Welsh, but it's a long story..) at the international level. I have found Zen to
be indispensable when fighting in competitions. If you start worrying
negatively about the outcome of the fight, or regret not tr
true Zen action arises
directly from the free unhindered flow of the chi of the present moment through
one's center. We see that brilliantly in the finest martial artists such as the
aikido of Ueshiba Morihei, but it also works in every aspect of daily life if
we just empty ourselves and
rhaps chi is hardly moving, but in
daily life chi moves constantly, and Zen is being in tune with that movement.
That's the same as saying what MIke and Bill are saying since chi is
intrinsically empty, Mu, void, Tao. It is only the forms within chi that really
move.
Edgar
On Sep 11, 2008, at
Hi Al,
I think the tricky thing about zen is that it often feels that 'getting it' is
always just around the corner or that if I just read the right
book/passage/haiku/manga comic etc it'll all become clear to me. Unfortunately,
this just takes us further than ever away from any kind of 'breakt
hat you are already enlightened
and have always been, that is just finally realizing what always existed that
you just didn't notice before.
True Zen takes no 'work' of any kind whatsoever. You are already there, you
just need to realize it.
Edgar
On Sep 14, 2008, at 12:3
but
the formless is always present whether you are sitting in zazen or not. Just a
matter of experiencing it.
Edgar
On Sep 14, 2008, at 4:12 PM, mike brown wrote:
Hi Edgar,
I agree with you in one sense - we're already 'there'. But sometimes you have
to go on a journey ju
ike going off on a bad drug trip and ending up in a
mental ward.
Edgar
On Sep 15, 2008, at 8:26 PM, mike brown wrote:
Hi Edgar,
Again, in an ultimate sense I agree with you. Most satori experiences occur off
the mat (we cannot determine when they happen so they are a kind of 'Gra
kundalini (chi flow in the spinal column)
experiences and yoga!?
How many personalities do you have? Will the true Mike please stand up and take
a bow
:-)
Edgar
On Sep 16, 2008, at 9:56 PM, mike brown wrote:
Hi Edgar,
I don't belong to any particular sect but I do tend to sit in a so
Hi Edgar,
In terms of talking about what happens after satori, I like the title of the
book 'After the Ecstasy - the Laundry' (forgot the author). To my mind, this
does kind of imply the ordinariness of our true, natural state. I think that
people here are getting to hung up about what satori i
hat there are other ways
which in my case at least are now more effective in keeping me on the path.
Basically just constantly remembering to look at reality
Now please pardon me, I have to do my laundry!
Best,
Edgar
On Sep 19, 2008, at 2:19 AM, mike brown wrote:
Hi Edgar,
In terms of
None of them, some of them, one of them or all of them are 'zen' - it depends
on your interaction with them. Mike.
Hi Edgar,
How is this "more evidence" that sitting zazen in a monastry (or not) is a
waste of time? I would argue that if Margie had already been sitting when this
insight occured (or discovered a Zen centre soon afterwards) her experience
might have been far deeper. In fact, but for the synchr
Hi Margie,
Welcome to the forum. My name is Mike and like you I had a spontaneous break
thru', but unlike you I was fortunate to pick up a book literally minutes after
my experience (a book on kundalini as it happens). Eventually I was led to Zen
and so able to put words (as such) to my experie
o still our minds AND get deeper into the insights found
there. Mike.
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Sent: Tuesday, 30 September, 2008 13:16:33
Subject: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.c
BTW I do meditate from time to time both zazen and some other techniques. I'm
not against it, I'm only against people thinking that's all it takes sort of
like 'Christians' that think going to church once in a while is all it take to
be a Christian.
Edgar
On Sep 29, 2
ying that since they
run the monasteries where people do zazen. Anyway glad you agree with me.
Edgar
On Sep 30, 2008, at 12:35 PM, mike brown wrote:
Hi Edgar,
Of course, I agree with you 100% that zen is not confined to sitting in zazen
and then something to be forgotten while we get
Re: What's after Satori
mike brown > You mentioned that someone you know sat in Japan for 3
years but became bitter because they didn't experience satori during
this time. >
Weren't you in Japan for three years?
t), but I had no
idea who to address this gratitude to. I guess the whole thing lasted about an
hour and a half although there was no sense of time during it. Mike.
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Sent: Wednesday, 1 October, 2008 5:0
on I can't do anything about? Do I really want to
waste my desire on something I don't really need? This way my
emotions, desires, and aversions can't push me around.
I am very much enjoying our discussion.
Margie (roloro1557)
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, mike brown wrote:
>
Al,
Hey! I said I was in it for the women - doesn't that qualify me to be a guru?
Perhaps I'm over-qualified (sniff). Baba Mike.
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Sent: Wednesday, 1 October, 2008 20:36:42
Subject: [Zen] 2009 Best Way Pledge
That's interesting, Chris. Why are you trying to strip your zen from your
Buddhist teachings? Without the Buddhist teachings Zen (as a path) would not
exist. Mike.
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Sent: Thursday, 2 October, 2008 3:06:38
n something I don't really need? This way my
emotions, desires, and aversions can't push me around.
I am very much enjoying our discussion.
Margie (roloro1557)
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, mike brown wrote:
>
> Hi Margie,
>
> Thanks for the reply. I think you write very cl
e Japanese girls there just to distract you
from the true path of enlightenment! :-)
Edgar
On Oct 1, 2008, at 6:47 AM, mike brown wrote:
Hi Al,
Still here (Japan) as a matter of fact. It'll be 4 years this month. I came
here for the zen, but will stay for the women. Mike.
- Origi
t: Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori
Hi Mike, Aha, be ware of Asian woman. Did you notice the Japanese
woman raised their tone by one octave when they talk? :-)
mike brown wrote:
> Hi Al,
>
> Still here (Japan) as a matter of fact. It'll be 4 years this month. I
> cam
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