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> > Sorry! I did forget. I'll start digging today! .Bill!
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> I hope you have not forgotten to dig up that material you have been
> working on regarding time/cause&e
: mike brown >Bill and Chuck,"Wash your bowls" is as good as any non-logical
statement, I guess>
I thought it was "wash your balls," since the old Roshi's often went months
without bathing and relied on the trusty washbowl for sponging themselves.
Though I guess they would probably want to wash th
Bill and Chuck,
"Wash your bowls" is as good as any non-logical statement, I guess. However,
`ordinary mind is the Way` seems to allow for logic to be used as a means to
showing the Truth. Furthermore, the gates to the Dharma are "countless" which
also seems to imply that nothing (including logi
This one below has the weird characters:
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A REPOSTING TEST to get rid of â?~weirdâ?T charactersâ?¦Bill!
Chuck,
NOW YOUâ?TRE
lusively text-base medium Logic seems the most appropriate.
The Non-Logical Answer is: Wash your bowls!
>Chuck
…Bill!
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The Non-Logical Answer is: Wash your bowls!
>Chuck
…Bill!
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Chuck,
I assume you’re aski
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Chuck,
I assume you’re asking if Logic is dependent upon the belief in Cause & Effect.
This is a Good question, and one which address
which is the real culprit
here. It is the basis for the illusion of Self and everything else that
follows.
…Bill!
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Bill,
Does that include this logic?
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*** After a Good Night’s Sleep I’ve Revised this Posting in Green
"Jody W. Ianuzzi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> A chair is just a chair.
> JODY>
JODY is just JODY
Have I been smoking the wacky tabacky again? Maybe I had some of the
meds from the kids. I take their meds sometimes. They look the same to
me whether or not they take their meds. Mostly stuff to c
ting his breathes. If so, his teacup should be
empty by now.
Al, cut up your Master Card!
…Bill!
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Al,
A
From: Chuck Gierhart Evolution is not an act of faith. It is an act of
observation. It's story is told in the fossil record and your RNA and DNA.>>
The head of the Human Genome Project is a devout Christian and true believer
in stem cell research. by David Ewing Duncan (published online February 20
From: Chuck Gierhart>You ask, "Isn't the belief in no intelligent higher
power also a religion?" I can only say that not believing in something for
which there is no evidence is not religion.>
Believing that everything happened purely by accident is as much a faith as
anything else.
his teacup should be
empty by now.
Al, cut up your Master Card!
…Bill!
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Al,
Again, I think you are right.
A chair is just a chair.
JODY
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Al,
Both these kinds of issues cannot be determined and require a certain amount of
faith and belief (less so in science). This is why Buddha remained
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Chuck,
True, but is the purpose of a chair inherent in object itself or is it given? A
chair to an Amazonian pygmy would have a different purpose than it would to you
or I. All objects/phenonema are empty of meaning. I think the `water pitcher
6 July, 2008 6:57:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Zen] Dear Bill
From: Chuck Gierhart When you ask this question about a blade of grass, the
Pacific Ocean or a rock, no answer is possible. You can describe how these
things interact with their environment or the benefit we derive from them
but thatâ?Ts not the s
Chuck,
True, but is the purpose of a chair inherent in object itself or is it given? A
chair to an Amazonian pygmy would have a different purpose than it would to you
or I. All objects/phenonema are empty of meaning. I think the `water pitcher`
koan demonstrates this well.
Mike.
Of Al
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From: Chuck Gierhart When you ask this question about a blade of grass, the
Pacific Ocean or a rock, no answer is possible. You can describe how these
things interact with their environment or
From: Chuck Gierhart When you ask this question about a blade of grass, the
Pacific Ocean or a rock, no answer is possible. You can describe how these
things interact with their environment or the benefit we derive from them
but thatâ?Ts not the same as a purpose. To ask what purpose these things
h
loaded question. The
question itself implies that a supreme being create them for a purpose.
Chuck
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From: mike brown >to give any phenonema a sense of purpose would require
giving that phenonema a sense of purpose right back to the Big Bang. So
there. >
Which is exactly
Al,
I know there is a danger looking at zen as a completely loose, 'roll you
own', no rules type of practice. That's not exactly what I'm advocating,
although I can certainly see where someone could think that.
My comments to your very important post are imbedded below:
One of the problem
he
presumably caught. This to me depicts a being no longer subject to karma
such as drinking alcohol or eating meat which are prohibited in most
Buddhist sects.
.Bill!
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-From: BillSmart@> This is my theory.>
Dear Bill,
One of the problems that I have had had with Christianity is that every
minister has their own theory, and they claim everyone else is going to
hell.
At least the Catholics usually stick to one dogma, but I find the services
to meaningless. Catho
Al,
This is my theory.
(We don't need no stinkin' badges!)
.Bill!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] self is an illu
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] self is an illusion (maya), so no beings actually have a
self. Karma is also maya, and is only applicable to beings that have the
illusion of self. Since an enlightened being does not have the illusion of
self, so also does not have the illusion of karma.>
Is this just yo
have the illusion of karma.
.Bill!
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Bill,
Is it the case that enlightened beings do not have a self and
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Chuck,
Regarding enlightenment and karma:
Karma can be explained simply, and as you have stated in the post below, as
the 'consequences of one's actions'. An enlightened being
From: mike brown >to give any phenonema a sense of purpose would require
giving that phenonema a sense of purpose right back to the Big Bang. So
there. >
Which is exactly what a belief in God means. You are saying that in the
Buddhist concept it is all just senseless stupidity and mindless unconne
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Bill,
Regarding enlightenment and karma, I suspect that it is not so much that an
enlightened being is exempt from karma, but rather t
Hi Al,
I`m not so sure everything has a purpose - at least in a Zen/Buddhist context.
I think we sometimes give (empty) phenonema a sense of purpose to `explain` why
something good/bad has happened. For example, if a boulder falls on a car full
of family members and kills them all we would be te
From: Chuck Gierhart
just is = Justice. I think everything does have some purpose. justice is
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Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 9:56 PM
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Chuck,
Thanks for your post.
I have read extensively on the Buddhist doctrine of Dependant Origination.
On the surface it seems
: RE: [Zen] Dear Bill
I cannot help with time, but you may want to look at "the doctrine of
dependant origination" on the subject of cause and effect.
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Don't send any naked pictures showing the cause and effect of time on your
body (Young Bill versus Old Bill).
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Panda,
Send an email to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] so I can get your email address,
and I'll send you something on this.Bill!
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Don't send any naked pictures showing the cause and effect of time on your body
(Young Bill versus Old Bill).
[Zen] Dear Bill
I hope you have not forgotten to dig up that material you have been
working on regarding time/cause&effect. What it something I said??
Really though, if you are still willing to share, I'd still love to
take a look!
P-P-P-Panda
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Panda,
Sorry! I did forget. I'll start digging today! .Bill!
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Subject: [Zen] Dear Bill
I hope you have not forgotten to dig up
I hope you have not forgotten to dig up that material you have been
working on regarding time/cause&effect. What it something I said??
Really though, if you are still willing to share, I'd still love to
take a look!
P-P-P-Panda
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