----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Deborah Mingins <taomtnsa...@yahoo.com> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 11:12:07 PM Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Zen and Tao. Brett- You may find some of the answers you are looking for at the website .....www.taoistforum.com Good luck on your journey! Deborah taomtnsa...@yahoo.com ________________________________ From: ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 10:15:49 PM Subject: [Zen] Re: Zen and Tao. Bill, My non-dual response is 'mu'. My dualistic response is 'wtf''. An intensive form of what; Used to express astonishment, shock, incredulity, or disbelief (as a shortened form of expressions such as "What the fuck is going on?", "...are you doing?", or "...is that? ... en.wiktionary.org/wiki/what_the_fuck --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > ED, > > Come closer and I'll twist your nose! > > (A direct, non-dualistic experience of reality.) > > ...Bill! > > Bill, > > > > What is this 'truth' that is common to all religions? > > > > Thanks, ED > > > Brett, > > > > > > Of course it is the same. The 'truths' in all religions are the same. > > > > > Some call it Tao, some Yahweh, some Allah, some Buddha, some might > > even call it Zen. > > > > > > Please remember Lao Tzu's first verse: > > > "The tao that can be spoken about > > > is not the eternal Tao. > > > The name that can be named > > > is not the eternal Name." > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > I am reading Tao Te Ching by Lao tzu and was wondering If the Tao he > > writes about would be the same as Zen but with a different title. I may > > be totally off here, because I do not have a full understanding of Zen, > > but I see in Lao Tzo writing similarities in how he describes the Tao. > > Does any one have any insight on this? > > > > Brett.