Re: [zeromq-dev] ZMQ_MCAST_LOOP with PGM

2012-08-09 Thread Steven McCoy
On 7 August 2012 09:01, Pierre Ynard wrote: > For information, my personal transfer rate should be minimal enough, so > I'm inclined to spare myself extra TCP or IPC sockets for the loopback > case; that wouldn't fix the multiple sender issue anyway. > I've been thinking of implementing one of t

Re: [zeromq-dev] ZMQ_MCAST_LOOP with PGM

2012-08-07 Thread Pierre Ynard
> Redundancy on the same host is retarded you are wasting resources to > catch less 0.01% error scenarios that don't bring down the entire host > or network;scaling sounds like a bad design: split the channel up into > many separate PGM sessions with rate limited senders and your data > stream load

Re: [zeromq-dev] ZMQ_MCAST_LOOP with PGM

2012-08-06 Thread Steven McCoy
On 6 August 2012 08:19, Pierre Ynard wrote: > > > > It's been removed because of discussions like this > > This is now a discussion about the underlying issues of the PGM > transport, not limited to ZMQ_MCAST_LOOP. Removing the option that made > the issue most visible so that people don't compl

Re: [zeromq-dev] ZMQ_MCAST_LOOP with PGM

2012-08-06 Thread Pierre Ynard
> It's been removed because of discussions like this This is now a discussion about the underlying issues of the PGM transport, not limited to ZMQ_MCAST_LOOP. Removing the option that made the issue most visible so that people don't complain about it is just sweeping under the rug. > 0MQ makes

Re: [zeromq-dev] ZMQ_MCAST_LOOP with PGM

2012-08-04 Thread Steven McCoy
On 2 August 2012 07:20, Pierre Ynard wrote: > To be clear, if I understand correctly, OpenPGM binds a UDP socket > to the port given with the multicast address, using SO_REUSEADDR. > Then it uses this socket to both receive the multicast stream (hence > SO_REUSEADDR) and the unicast NAKs. This is

Re: [zeromq-dev] ZMQ_MCAST_LOOP with PGM

2012-08-02 Thread Pierre Ynard
> The OS only forwards packets to the first open socket. > Check the RFC's on PGM and PGMCC for details of the protocols in > question, > > http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3208.txt > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/57/I-D/draft-ietf-rmt-bb-pgmcc-02.txt To be clear, if I understand correctly, OpenPGM b

Re: [zeromq-dev] ZMQ_MCAST_LOOP with PGM

2012-07-27 Thread Steven McCoy
On 27 July 2012 11:27, Pierre Ynard wrote: > > It can work well in a restricted environment, the disruptor team have > > shown great performance with Java and multicast loop but with the PGM > > protocol specifically there are problems and limitations that can > > break reliability. > > Problems

Re: [zeromq-dev] ZMQ_MCAST_LOOP with PGM

2012-07-27 Thread Pierre Ynard
> It can work well in a restricted environment, the disruptor team have > shown great performance with Java and multicast loop but with the PGM > protocol specifically there are problems and limitations that can > break reliability. Problems such as...? I tried really hard but I couldn't figure o

Re: [zeromq-dev] ZMQ_MCAST_LOOP with PGM

2012-07-26 Thread Steven McCoy
On 26 July 2012 11:35, Ian Barber wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Pierre Ynard wrote: > > > > > Anyway, is it safe to enable this option if I don't mind about > > reliability? > > > > I'm sure Steve can give a better answer, but basically multicast > loopback just doesn't work very wel

Re: [zeromq-dev] ZMQ_MCAST_LOOP with PGM

2012-07-26 Thread Ian Barber
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Pierre Ynard wrote: > > Anyway, is it safe to enable this option if I don't mind about > reliability? > I'm sure Steve can give a better answer, but basically multicast loopback just doesn't work very well at all, and causes a lot of confusion among people trying

[zeromq-dev] ZMQ_MCAST_LOOP with PGM

2012-07-26 Thread Pierre Ynard
Hello, I took notice of https://zeromq.jira.com/browse/LIBZMQ-104 and of the removal of this option, but I have trouble understanding the issue. Even after reading http://lists.zeromq.org/pipermail/zeromq-dev/2010-June/004133.html I don't get it. > unicast packets are not broadcast to all listeni