[zfs-discuss] Which label a ZFS/ZPOOL device has ? VTOC or EFI ?

2007-02-02 Thread dudekula mastan
Hi All, ZPOOL / ZFS commands writes EFI label on a device if we create ZPOOL/ZFS fs on it. Is it true ? I formatted a device with VTOC lable and I created a ZFS file system on it. Now which label the ZFS device has ? is it old VTOC or EFI ? After creating the ZFS file syste

[zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS and question on repetative data migrating to it efficiently...

2007-02-02 Thread jason
> In general, your backup software should handle making > incremental dumps, even from a split mirror. What are > you using to write data to tape? Are you simply > dumping the whole file system, rather than using > standard backup software? > We are using Veritas Netbackup 5 MP4. It is performing

Re: [zfs-discuss] Project Proposal: Availability Suite

2007-02-02 Thread mike
My two (everyman's) cents - could something like this be modeled after MySQL replication or even something like DRBD (drbd.org) ? Seems like possibly the same idea. On 1/26/07, Jim Dunham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Project Overview: ... ___ zfs-discus

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs NFS vs array caches, revisited

2007-02-02 Thread Marion Hakanson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > The reality is that > ZFS turns on the write cache when it owns the > whole disk. > _Independantly_ of that, > ZFS flushes the write cache when ZFS needs to insure > that data reaches stable storage. > > The point is that the flushes occur whether

[zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS and question on repetative data migrating to it efficiently...

2007-02-02 Thread Anton B. Rang
In general, your backup software should handle making incremental dumps, even from a split mirror. What are you using to write data to tape? Are you simply dumping the whole file system, rather than using standard backup software? ZFS snapshots use a pure copy-on-write model. If you have a block

[zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS panic on B54

2007-02-02 Thread Anton B. Rang
The affected DIMM? Did you have memory errors before this? The message you posted looked like a ZFS encountered an error writing to the drive (which could, admittedly, have been caused by bad memory). This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zf

[zfs-discuss] Re: hot spares - in standby?

2007-02-02 Thread Anton B. Rang
> Often, the spare is up and running but for whatever reason you'll have a > bad block on it and you'll die during the reconstruct. Shouldn't SCSI/ATA block sparing handle this? Reconstruction should be purely a matter of writing, so "bit rot" shouldn't be an issue; or are there cases I'm not

Re: [zfs-discuss] FYI: ZFS on USB sticks (from Germany)

2007-02-02 Thread Artem Kachitchkine
Brilliant video, guys. Totally agreed, great work. Boy, would I like to see Peter Stormare in that video %) -Artem. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

[zfs-discuss] corrupted files and improved 'zpool status -v'

2007-02-02 Thread eric kustarz
For your reading pleasure: http://blogs.sun.com/erickustarz/entry/damaged_files_and_zpool_status eric ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] FYI: ZFS on USB sticks (from Germany)

2007-02-02 Thread Bart Smaalders
Constantin Gonzalez wrote: Hi Richard, Richard Elling wrote: FYI, here is an interesting blog on using ZFS with a dozen USB drives from Constantin. http://blogs.sun.com/solarium/entry/solaris_zfs_auf_12_usb thank you for spotting it :). We're working on translating the video (hope we get

Re: [zfs-discuss] Project Proposal: Availability Suite

2007-02-02 Thread Torrey McMahon
Jonathan Edwards wrote: On Feb 2, 2007, at 15:35, Nicolas Williams wrote: Unlike traditional journalling replication, a continuous ZFS send/recv scheme could deal with resource constraints by taking a snapshot and throttling replication until resources become available again. Replication throt

Re: [zfs-discuss] Project Proposal: Availability Suite

2007-02-02 Thread Jonathan Edwards
On Feb 2, 2007, at 15:35, Nicolas Williams wrote: Unlike traditional journalling replication, a continuous ZFS send/recv scheme could deal with resource constraints by taking a snapshot and throttling replication until resources become available again. Replication throttling would mean losing s

Re: [zfs-discuss] Project Proposal: Availability Suite

2007-02-02 Thread Torrey McMahon
Nicolas Williams wrote: On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 03:17:17PM -0500, Torrey McMahon wrote: Nicolas Williams wrote: But a continuous zfs send/recv would be cool too. In fact, I think ZFS tightly integrated with SNDR wouldn't be that much different from a continuous zfs send/recv. Ev

Re: [zfs-discuss] Project Proposal: Availability Suite

2007-02-02 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 03:17:17PM -0500, Torrey McMahon wrote: > Nicolas Williams wrote: > >But a continuous zfs send/recv would be cool too. In fact, I think ZFS > >tightly integrated with SNDR wouldn't be that much different from a > >continuous zfs send/recv. > > Even better with snapshots, a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Project Proposal: Availability Suite

2007-02-02 Thread Torrey McMahon
Nicolas Williams wrote: On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 05:15:28PM -0700, Jason J. W. Williams wrote: Could the replication engine eventually be integrated more tightly with ZFS? That would be slick alternative to send/recv. But a continuous zfs send/recv would be cool too. In fact, I think Z

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-02-02 Thread Torrey McMahon
Marion Hakanson wrote: However, given the default behavior of ZFS (as of Solaris-10U3) is to panic/halt when it encounters a corrupted block that it can't repair, I'm re-thinking our options, weighing against the possibility of a significant downtime caused by a single-block corruption. Guess w

Re: [zfs-discuss] Project Proposal: Availability Suite

2007-02-02 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 05:15:28PM -0700, Jason J. W. Williams wrote: > Could the replication engine eventually be integrated more tightly > with ZFS? That would be slick alternative to send/recv. But a continuous zfs send/recv would be cool too. In fact, I think ZFS tightly integrated with SNDR

Re: [zfs-discuss] hot spares - in standby?

2007-02-02 Thread Torrey McMahon
Richard Elling wrote: Good question. If you consider that mechanical wear out is what ultimately causes many failure modes, then the argument can be made that a spun down disk should last longer. The problem is that there are failure modes which are triggered by a spin up. I've never seen fi

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS panic on B54

2007-02-02 Thread Ian Collins
John Weekley wrote: >Looks like bad memory. I removed the affected DIMM and haven't had any >reboots in about 24hrs. > > > Give mtest86 a whirl on that system. Ian ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Thumper Origins Q

2007-02-02 Thread Torrey McMahon
Dale Ghent wrote: Yeah sure it "might" eat into STK profits, but one will still have to go there for redundant controllers. Repeat after me: There is no STK. There is only Sun. 8-) ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://m

Re: [zfs-discuss] Thumper Origins Q

2007-02-02 Thread Torrey McMahon
Richard Elling wrote: One of the benefits of ZFS is that not only is head synchronization not needed, but also block offsets do not have to be the same. For example, in a traditional mirror, block 1 on device 1 is paired with block 1 on device 2. In ZFS, this 1:1 mapping is not required. I be

Re: [zfs-discuss] Project Proposal: Availability Suite

2007-02-02 Thread Torrey McMahon
Jason J. W. Williams wrote: Hi Jim, Thank you very much for the heads up. Unfortunately, we need the write-cache enabled for the application I was thinking of combining this with. Sounds like SNDR and ZFS need some more soak time together before you can use both to their full potential together?

[zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS panic on B54

2007-02-02 Thread John Weekley
Looks like bad memory. I removed the affected DIMM and haven't had any reboots in about 24hrs. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and question on repetative data migrating to it efficiently...

2007-02-02 Thread Wade . Stuart
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/02/2007 11:16:32 AM: > Hi all, > > Longtime reader, first time poster Sorry for the lengthy intro > and not really sure the title matches what I'm trying to get at... I > am trying to find a solution where making use of a zfs filesystem > can shorten our back

[zfs-discuss] ZFS and question on repetative data migrating to it efficiently...

2007-02-02 Thread jason
Hi all, Longtime reader, first time poster Sorry for the lengthy intro and not really sure the title matches what I'm trying to get at... I am trying to find a solution where making use of a zfs filesystem can shorten our backup window. Currently, our backup solution takes data from ufs or

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS and thin provisioning

2007-02-02 Thread Darren Dunham
> > Is there a performance hit for having what seems to be a zfs on top > > a zpool on top a zpool? > > I would think so. Also a good test would be to write on the final fs a few > blocks more data then the backing sparse volume actually has available. > Gut feeling is that will cause a panic on

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS inode equivalent

2007-02-02 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 12:25:04AM +0100, Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote: > On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 11:00:07AM +, Darren J Moffat wrote: > > Neil Perrin wrote: > > >No it's not the final version or even the latest! > > >The current on disk format version is 3. However, it hasn't > > >diverged much a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS and thin provisioning

2007-02-02 Thread Darren Dunham
> thanks Darren! I got led down the wrong path by following newfs. > > Now my other question is. How would you add raw storage to the vtank (virtual > filesystem) as the usage approached the current underlying raw storage? You just increase the storage in the underlying pool. In my case, I'd ju

Re: crypto properties (Was: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS inode equivalent)

2007-02-02 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 08:46:34AM +, Darren J Moffat wrote: > My current plan is that once set the encryption property that describes > which algorithm (mechanism actually: algorithm, key length and mode, eg > aes-128-ccm) can not be changed, it would be inherited by any clones. > Creating

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS and thin provisioning

2007-02-02 Thread Wade . Stuart
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/02/2007 10:34:22 AM: > thanks Darren! I got led down the wrong path by following newfs. > > Now my other question is. How would you add raw storage to the vtank > (virtual filesystem) as the usage approached the current underlying > raw storage? > > Would you go

[zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS and thin provisioning

2007-02-02 Thread Andre Lue
thanks Darren! I got led down the wrong path by following newfs. Now my other question is. How would you add raw storage to the vtank (virtual filesystem) as the usage approached the current underlying raw storage? Would you going forward just simply in the normal fashion ( i will try this when

Re: crypto properties (Was: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS inode equivalent)

2007-02-02 Thread Pawel Jakub Dawidek
On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 08:46:34AM +, Darren J Moffat wrote: > Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote: > >On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 11:00:07AM +, Darren J Moffat wrote: > >>Neil Perrin wrote: > >>>No it's not the final version or even the latest! > >>>The current on disk format version is 3. However, it h

Re: [zfs-discuss] FYI: ZFS on USB sticks (from Germany)

2007-02-02 Thread Constantin Gonzalez
Hi Richard, Richard Elling wrote: > FYI, > here is an interesting blog on using ZFS with a dozen USB drives from > Constantin. > http://blogs.sun.com/solarium/entry/solaris_zfs_auf_12_usb thank you for spotting it :). We're working on translating the video (hope we get the lip-syncing right.

[zfs-discuss] Meta data corruptions on ZFS.

2007-02-02 Thread dudekula mastan
Hi All, In my test set up, I have one zpool of size 1000M bytes. On this zpool, my application writes 100 files each of size 10 MB. First 96 files were written successfully with out any problem. But the 97 file is not written successfully , it written only 5 MB (the retu

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs NFS vs array caches, revisited

2007-02-02 Thread Roch - PAE
Marion, this is a common misintrepetation : "Anyway, I've also read that if ZFS notices it's using "slices" instead of whole disks, it will not enable/use the write cache. " The reality is that ZFS turns on the write cache when it owns the whole disk. _Independ

crypto properties (Was: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS inode equivalent)

2007-02-02 Thread Darren J Moffat
Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote: On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 11:00:07AM +, Darren J Moffat wrote: Neil Perrin wrote: No it's not the final version or even the latest! The current on disk format version is 3. However, it hasn't diverged much and the znode/acl stuff hasn't changed. and it will get upd