Re: [zfs-discuss] enterprise scale redundant Solaris 10/ZFS server providing NFSv4/CIFS

2007-09-20 Thread eric kustarz
On Sep 20, 2007, at 6:46 PM, Paul B. Henson wrote: > On Thu, 20 Sep 2007, Gary Mills wrote: > >> You should consider a Netapp filer. It will do both NFS and CIFS, >> supports disk quotas, and is highly reliable. We use one for 30,000 >> students and 3000 employees. Ours has never failed us. >

Re: [zfs-discuss] "zoneadm clone" doesn't support ZFS snapshots in

2007-09-20 Thread grant beattie
Matthew Flanagan wrote: > Mike, > > I followed your procedure for cloning zones and it worked well up until > yesterday when I tried applying the S10U4 kernel patch 12001-14 and it > wouldn't apply because I had my zones on zfs :( > > I'm still figuring out how to fix this other than moving all o

Re: [zfs-discuss] "zoneadm clone" doesn't support ZFS snapshots in

2007-09-20 Thread Matthew Flanagan
Mike, I followed your procedure for cloning zones and it worked well up until yesterday when I tried applying the S10U4 kernel patch 12001-14 and it wouldn't apply because I had my zones on zfs :( I'm still figuring out how to fix this other than moving all of my zones onto UFS. Anyone got an

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Solaris 10 Update 4 Patches

2007-09-20 Thread Rob Windsor
John-Paul Drawneek wrote: > yep. > > but it said that the pools were upto date with the system on 3. > > zpool upgrade says the system just has version 3 > > also patch 120272-12 has been pulled which 120011-14 depends on yay Yeah, the listed reason -- " corrupts the snmpd.conf file causing

Re: [zfs-discuss] enterprise scale redundant Solaris 10/ZFS server providing NFSv4/CIFS

2007-09-20 Thread Tim Spriggs
Paul B. Henson wrote: > Is it comparable storage though? Does it use SATA drives similar to the > x4500, or more expensive/higher performance FC drives? Is it one of the > models that allows connecting dual clustered heads and failing over the > storage between them? > > I agree the x4500 is a swee

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Solaris 10 Update 4 Patches

2007-09-20 Thread John-Paul Drawneek
yep. but it said that the pools were upto date with the system on 3. zpool upgrade says the system just has version 3 also patch 120272-12 has been pulled which 120011-14 depends on yay This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss m

Re: [zfs-discuss] enterprise scale redundant Solaris 10/ZFS server providing NFSv4/CIFS

2007-09-20 Thread Paul B. Henson
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007, Chris Kirby wrote: > We're adding a style of quota that only includes the bytes referenced by > the active fs. Also, there will be a matching style for reservations. > > "some point in the future" is very soon (weeks). :-) I don't think my management will let me run Solaris

Re: [zfs-discuss] enterprise scale redundant Solaris 10/ZFS server providing NFSv4/CIFS

2007-09-20 Thread Paul B. Henson
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007, Tim Spriggs wrote: > It's an IBM re-branded NetApp which can which we are using for NFS and > iSCSI. Ah, I see. Is it comparable storage though? Does it use SATA drives similar to the x4500, or more expensive/higher performance FC drives? Is it one of the models that allows

Re: [zfs-discuss] enterprise scale redundant Solaris 10/ZFS server providing NFSv4/CIFS

2007-09-20 Thread Chris Kirby
Paul B. Henson wrote: > On Thu, 20 Sep 2007, James F. Hranicky wrote: > > >>and due to the fact that snapshots counted toward ZFS quota, I decided > > > Yes, that does seem to remove a bit of their value for backup purposes. I > think they're planning to rectify that at some point in the future

Re: [zfs-discuss] enterprise scale redundant Solaris 10/ZFS server providing NFSv4/CIFS

2007-09-20 Thread Tim Spriggs
Paul B. Henson wrote: > On Thu, 20 Sep 2007, Tim Spriggs wrote: > > >> We are in a similar situation. It turns out that buying two thumpers is >> cheaper per TB than buying more shelves for an IBM N7600. I don't know >> about power/cooling considerations yet though. >> > > It's really a com

Re: [zfs-discuss] enterprise scale redundant Solaris 10/ZFS serverproviding NFSv4/CIFS

2007-09-20 Thread Paul B. Henson
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007, Dickon Hood wrote: > On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 16:22:45 -0500, Gary Mills wrote: > > : You should consider a Netapp filer. It will do both NFS and CIFS, > : supports disk quotas, and is highly reliable. We use one for 30,000 > : students and 3000 employees. Ours has never fai

Re: [zfs-discuss] enterprise scale redundant Solaris 10/ZFS server providing NFSv4/CIFS

2007-09-20 Thread Paul B. Henson
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007, Gary Mills wrote: > You should consider a Netapp filer. It will do both NFS and CIFS, > supports disk quotas, and is highly reliable. We use one for 30,000 > students and 3000 employees. Ours has never failed us. We had actually just finished evaluating Netapp before I sta

Re: [zfs-discuss] enterprise scale redundant Solaris 10/ZFS server providing NFSv4/CIFS

2007-09-20 Thread Paul B. Henson
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007, Tim Spriggs wrote: > We are in a similar situation. It turns out that buying two thumpers is > cheaper per TB than buying more shelves for an IBM N7600. I don't know > about power/cooling considerations yet though. It's really a completely different class of storage though, r

Re: [zfs-discuss] enterprise scale redundant Solaris 10/ZFS server providing NFSv4/CIFS

2007-09-20 Thread Paul B. Henson
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007, Andy Lubel wrote: > Looks like its completely scalable but your boot time may suffer the more > you have. Just don't reboot :) I'm not sure if it's accurate, but the SE we were meeting with claimed that we could failover all of the filesystems to one half of the cluster, rebo

Re: [zfs-discuss] enterprise scale redundant Solaris 10/ZFS server providing NFSv4/CIFS

2007-09-20 Thread Paul B. Henson
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007, James F. Hranicky wrote: > This can be solved using an automounter as well. Well, I'd say more "kludged around" than "solved" ;), but again unless you've used DFS it might not seem that way. It just seems rather involved, and relatively inefficient to continuously be mountin

Re: [zfs-discuss] enterprise scale redundant Solaris 10/ZFS server providing NFSv4/CIFS

2007-09-20 Thread Dickon Hood
On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 16:22:45 -0500, Gary Mills wrote: : You should consider a Netapp filer. It will do both NFS and CIFS, : supports disk quotas, and is highly reliable. We use one for 30,000 : students and 3000 employees. Ours has never failed us. And they might only lightly sue you for c

Re: [zfs-discuss] enterprise scale redundant Solaris 10/ZFS server providing NFSv4/CIFS

2007-09-20 Thread Gary Mills
On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 12:49:29PM -0700, Paul B. Henson wrote: > On Thu, 20 Sep 2007, Richard Elling wrote: > > > 50,000 directories aren't a problem, unless you also need 50,000 quotas > > and hence 50,000 file systems. Such a large, single storage pool system > > will be an outlier... signific

Re: [zfs-discuss] enterprise scale redundant Solaris 10/ZFS server providing NFSv4/CIFS

2007-09-20 Thread Tim Spriggs
Andy Lubel wrote: > On 9/20/07 3:49 PM, "Paul B. Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> On Thu, 20 Sep 2007, Richard Elling wrote: >> >> >> That would also be my preference, but if I were forced to use hardware >> RAID, the additional loss of storage for ZFS redundancy would be painful.

Re: [zfs-discuss] enterprise scale redundant Solaris 10/ZFS server providing NFSv4/CIFS

2007-09-20 Thread Andy Lubel
On 9/20/07 3:49 PM, "Paul B. Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 20 Sep 2007, Richard Elling wrote: > >> 50,000 directories aren't a problem, unless you also need 50,000 quotas >> and hence 50,000 file systems. Such a large, single storage pool system >> will be an outlier... significan

Re: [zfs-discuss] enterprise scale redundant Solaris 10/ZFS server providing NFSv4/CIFS

2007-09-20 Thread James F. Hranicky
Paul B. Henson wrote: > One issue I have is that our previous filesystem, DFS, completely spoiled > me with its global namespace and location transparency. We had three fairly > large servers, with the content evenly dispersed among them, but from the > perspective of the client any user's files w

Re: [zfs-discuss] enterprise scale redundant Solaris 10/ZFS server providing NFSv4/CIFS

2007-09-20 Thread Paul B. Henson
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007, Richard Elling wrote: > 50,000 directories aren't a problem, unless you also need 50,000 quotas > and hence 50,000 file systems. Such a large, single storage pool system > will be an outlier... significantly beyond what we have real world > experience with. Yes, considering

Re: [zfs-discuss] enterprise scale redundant Solaris 10/ZFS server providing NFSv4/CIFS

2007-09-20 Thread Richard Elling
a few comments below... Paul B. Henson wrote: > We are looking for a replacement enterprise file system to handle storage > needs for our campus. For the past 10 years, we have been happily using DFS > (the distributed file system component of DCE), but unfortunately IBM > killed off that product

Re: [zfs-discuss] Project proposal: Block selection policy and space map enhancements

2007-09-20 Thread eric kustarz
On Sep 15, 2007, at 12:55 PM, Victor Latushkin wrote: > I'm proposing new project for ZFS community - Block Selection > Policy and > Space Map Enhancements. +1. I wonder if some of this could look into a dynamic policy. For example, a policy that switches when the pool becomes "too full".

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Solaris 10 Update 4 Patches

2007-09-20 Thread Torrey McMahon
Did you upgrade your pools? "zpool upgrade -a" John-Paul Drawneek wrote: > err, I installed the patch and am still on zfs 3? > > solaris 10 u3 with kernel patch 120011-14 > > > This message posted from opensolaris.org > ___ > zfs-discuss mailing list

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Solaris 10 Update 4 Patches

2007-09-20 Thread John-Paul Drawneek
err, I installed the patch and am still on zfs 3? solaris 10 u3 with kernel patch 120011-14 This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS RAIDZ vs. RAID5.

2007-09-20 Thread Roch - PAE
Here is a different twist on your interesting scheme. First start with writting 3 blocks and parity in a full stripe. Disk0 Disk1 Disk2 Disk3 D0 D1 D2 P0,1,2 Next application modifies D0 -> D0' and also writes other data D3, D4. Now you have D

Re: [zfs-discuss] "zoneadm clone" doesn't support ZFS snapshots in s10u4?

2007-09-20 Thread Mike Gerdts
On 9/20/07, Mark J Musante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I for one would like to see live upgrade support ZFS. Even with Snap > Upgrade on the horizon (the page on the OpenSolaris site says 'March' but > the current scedule is a sea of TBDs [see > http://opensolaris.org/os/project/caiman/Snap_Upgra

Re: [zfs-discuss] "zoneadm clone" doesn't support ZFS snapshots in s10u4?

2007-09-20 Thread Mark J Musante
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007, Mike Gerdts wrote: > The rather consistent answer is that zoneadm clone will not do zfs until > live upgrade does zfs. Since there is a new project in the works (Snap > Upgrade) that is very much targeted at environments that use zfs, I > would be surprised to see zfs support

Re: [zfs-discuss] question about uberblock blkptr

2007-09-20 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Roch, Roch - PAE wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Roch - PAE wrote: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > Jim Mauro wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hey Max - Check out the on-disk specification document at > > > > > http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/docs/. > > > > > Ok. I

Re: [zfs-discuss] question about uberblock blkptr

2007-09-20 Thread Roch - PAE
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Roch - PAE wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Jim Mauro wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey Max - Check out the on-disk specification document at > > > > http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/docs/. > > > > > > > > Page 32 illustration shows the rootbp po

Re: [zfs-discuss] Recover from Solaris crash

2007-09-20 Thread Sanjay Nadkarni
On Sep 20, 2007, at 12:55 AM, Tore Johansson wrote: > Hi, > > I am running solaris 10 on ufs and the rest on ZFS. Now has the > solaris disk crashed. > How can I recover the other ZFS disks? > Can I reinstall solaris and recreate the zfs systems without data > loss? Zpool import is your frie