Re: [zfs-discuss] Apple Time Machine

2006-08-16 Thread Steve Hoelzer
On 8/7/06, Adam Leventhal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Needless to say, this was a pretty interesting piece of the keynote from a technical point of view that had quite a few of us scratching our heads. After talking to some Apple engineers, it seems like what they're doing is more or less this:

Re: [zfs-discuss] Apple Time Machine

2006-08-08 Thread Robert Gordon
On Aug 8, 2006, at 12:34 AM, Darren J Moffat wrote: Adam Leventhal wrote: Needless to say, this was a pretty interesting piece of the keynote from a technical point of view that had quite a few of us scratching our heads. After talking to some Apple engineers, it seems like what they're

Re: [zfs-discuss] Apple Time Machine

2006-08-08 Thread Tim Foster
Bryan Cantrill wrote: So in short (and brace yourself, because I know it will be a shock): mentions by executives in keynotes don't always accurately represent a technology. DynFS, anyone? ;) I'm shocked and stunned, and not a little amazed! I'll bet the OpenSolaris PPC guys are thrilled

Re: [zfs-discuss] Apple Time Machine

2006-08-08 Thread Frank Cusack
On August 8, 2006 3:04:09 PM +0930 Darren J Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam Leventhal wrote: When a file is modified, the kernel fires off an event which a user-land daemon listens for. Every so often, the user-land daemon does something like a snapshot of the affected portions of the

[zfs-discuss] Apple Time Machine

2006-08-07 Thread Tao Chen
I am reading the live coverage of WWDC keynote here:http://www.macrumorslive.com/web/They talked about a new feature in OS X/Leopard: Time Machine. Does it sound like instant snapshot and rollback to you?I don't know how else this can be implemented.10:37 am with time machine, you can get those

Re: [zfs-discuss] Apple Time Machine

2006-08-07 Thread David J. Orman
they just made snapshots accesible to desktop users. Pretty impressive how they did the GUI work too. - Original Message - From: Eric Schrock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, August 7, 2006 8:55 am Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Apple Time Machine To: Tao Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: ZFS Discussions

Re: [zfs-discuss] Apple Time Machine

2006-08-07 Thread Joseph Mocker
impressive how they did the GUI work too. - Original Message - From: Eric Schrock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, August 7, 2006 8:55 am Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Apple Time Machine To: Tao Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: ZFS Discussions zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org There are some more

Re: [zfs-discuss] Apple Time Machine

2006-08-07 Thread David J. Orman
+ or if they actually migrated to ZFS. The next weeks should be interesting as people get ahold of the dev copies. David - Original Message - From: Joseph Mocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, August 7, 2006 9:04 am Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Apple Time Machine To: David J. Orman [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [zfs-discuss] Apple Time Machine

2006-08-07 Thread Eric Schrock
Yeah, I just noticed this line: Backup Time: Time Machine will back up every night at midnight, unless you select a different time from this menu. So this is just standard backups, with a (very) slick GUI layered on top. From the impression of the text-only rumor feed, it sounded more

Re: [zfs-discuss] Apple Time Machine

2006-08-07 Thread Ed Plese
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 12:08:17PM -0700, Eric Schrock wrote: Yeah, I just noticed this line: Backup Time: Time Machine will back up every night at midnight, unless you select a different time from this menu. So this is just standard backups, with a (very) slick GUI layered on top. From

Re: [zfs-discuss] Apple Time Machine

2006-08-07 Thread Ed Plese
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 02:36:27PM -0500, Ed Plese wrote: A quick Google search turned up the following URL which has some screenshots to illustrate what the Shadow Copy Client looks like. Oops.. forgot the URL: http://www.petri.co.il/how_to_use_the_shadow_copy_client.htm Ed Plese

Re: [zfs-discuss] Apple Time Machine

2006-08-07 Thread Tim Foster
Eric Schrock wrote: So this is just standard backups, with a (very) slick GUI layered on top. http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/timf?entry=zfs_on_your_desktop vs. http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/timemachine.html Hey!! Their idea looks *awfully* familiar :-/ (Steve, does this mean you'll

Re: [zfs-discuss] Apple Time Machine

2006-08-07 Thread Tao Chen
On 8/7/06, Tim Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Magda wrote: Well, they've ported Dtrace: ..now built into Mac OS X Leopard. Xray. Because it's 2006.Uh right and they're actually shipping it in 2007. Apple marketing. Anyone want to start printing t-shirts:DTrace Time Machine in OpenSolaris.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Apple Time Machine

2006-08-07 Thread Eric Schrock
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 01:19:14PM -1000, David J. Orman wrote: (actually did they give OpenSolaris a name check at all when they mentioned DTrace ?) Nope, not that I can see. Apple's pretty notorious for that kind of oversight. I used to work for them, I know first hand how

Re: [zfs-discuss] Apple Time Machine

2006-08-07 Thread Tao Chen
On 8/7/06, Eric Schrock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 01:19:14PM -1000, David J. Orman wrote: (actually did they give OpenSolaris a name check at all when they mentioned DTrace ?) Nope, not that I can see. Apple's pretty notorious for that kind of oversight. I used to work

Re: [zfs-discuss] Apple Time Machine

2006-08-07 Thread Robert Gordon
On Aug 7, 2006, at 7:17 PM, Tao Chen wrote: In terms of openness, Sun and Apple are going opposite directions IMHO, interesting situation :) Tao Apple just released the Darwin Kernel code xnu-792-10.96 the equivalent of 10.4.7 for intel machines. -- Robert.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Apple Time Machine

2006-08-07 Thread David J. Orman
Apple just released the Darwin Kernel code xnu-792-10.96 the equivalent of 10.4.7 for intel machines. -- Robert. Really? How odd. Seems to be counter-intuitive with this news: http://opendarwin.org/en/news/shutdown.html ___ zfs-discuss mailing

Re: [zfs-discuss] Apple Time Machine

2006-08-07 Thread Bryan Cantrill
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 04:57:44PM -0700, Eric Schrock wrote: On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 01:19:14PM -1000, David J. Orman wrote: (actually did they give OpenSolaris a name check at all when they mentioned DTrace ?) Nope, not that I can see. Apple's pretty notorious for that kind of

Re: [zfs-discuss] Apple Time Machine

2006-08-07 Thread Adam Leventhal
Needless to say, this was a pretty interesting piece of the keynote from a technical point of view that had quite a few of us scratching our heads. After talking to some Apple engineers, it seems like what they're doing is more or less this: When a file is modified, the kernel fires off an event

Re: [zfs-discuss] Apple Time Machine

2006-08-07 Thread Tao Chen
On 8/7/06, Robert Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 7, 2006, at 7:17 PM, Tao Chen wrote: In terms of openness, Sun and Apple are going opposite directions IMHO, interesting situation :) TaoApple just released the Darwin Kernel code xnu-792-10.96the equivalent of 10.4.7 for intel machines.--

Re: [zfs-discuss] Apple Time Machine

2006-08-07 Thread Tao Chen
On 8/7/06, Bryan Cantrill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've had a great relationship with Apple at the engineering level -- andindeed, Team DTrace just got back from dinner with the Apple engineersinvolved with the port.More details here:

Re: [zfs-discuss] Apple Time Machine

2006-08-07 Thread Darren J Moffat
Adam Leventhal wrote: Needless to say, this was a pretty interesting piece of the keynote from a technical point of view that had quite a few of us scratching our heads. After talking to some Apple engineers, it seems like what they're doing is more or less this: When a file is modified, the