Re: [zfs-discuss] Is it safe to disable the swap partition?

2010-05-10 Thread Miles Nordin
> "mg" == Mike Gerdts writes: mg> If Solaris is under memory pressure, [...] mg> The best thing to do with processes that can be swapped out mg> forever is to not run them. Many programs allocate memory they never use. Linux allows overcommitting by default (but disableable), b

Re: [zfs-discuss] Is it safe to disable the swap partition?

2010-05-10 Thread Richard Elling
On May 10, 2010, at 9:06 AM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > On Mon, 10 May 2010, Thomas Tornblom wrote: >> >> Sorry, but this is incorrect. >> >> Solaris (2 if you will) does indeed swap processes in case normal paging is >> deemed insufficient. >> >> See the chapters on Soft and Hard swapping in: >

Re: [zfs-discuss] Is it safe to disable the swap partition?

2010-05-10 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Mon, 10 May 2010, Thomas Tornblom wrote: Sorry, but this is incorrect. Solaris (2 if you will) does indeed swap processes in case normal paging is deemed insufficient. See the chapters on Soft and Hard swapping in: http://books.google.com/books?id=r_cecYD4AKkC&pg=PA189&lpg=PA189&dq=solar

Re: [zfs-discuss] Is it safe to disable the swap partition?

2010-05-10 Thread Thomas Tornblom
2010-05-10 05:58, Bob Friesenhahn skrev: On Sun, 9 May 2010, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: So, Bob, rub it in if you wish. ;-) I was wrong. I knew the behavior in Linux, which Roy seconded as "most OSes," and apparently we both assumed the same here, but that was wrong. I don't know if solaris and o

Re: [zfs-discuss] Is it safe to disable the swap partition?

2010-05-09 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sun, 9 May 2010, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: So, Bob, rub it in if you wish. ;-) I was wrong. I knew the behavior in Linux, which Roy seconded as "most OSes," and apparently we both assumed the same here, but that was wrong. I don't know if solaris and opensolaris both have the same swap beh

Re: [zfs-discuss] Is it safe to disable the swap partition?

2010-05-09 Thread Daniel Carosone
On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 09:24:38PM -0500, Mike Gerdts wrote: > The best thing to do with processes that can be swapped out forever is > to not run them. Agreed, however: #1 Shorter values of "forever" (like, say, "daily") may still be useful. #2 This relies on knowing in advance what these proc

Re: [zfs-discuss] Is it safe to disable the swap partition?

2010-05-09 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > > > From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Richard Elling > > > > For a storage server, swap is not needed. If you notice swap being used > > then your storage server is und

Re: [zfs-discuss] Is it safe to disable the swap partition?

2010-05-09 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Richard Elling > > For a storage server, swap is not needed. If you notice swap being used > then your storage server is undersized. Indeed, I have two solaris 10 fileservers that have uptime

Re: [zfs-discuss] Is it safe to disable the swap partition?

2010-05-09 Thread Karl Dalen
I know that according to the documentation Solaris is supposed to be fully operational in the absences of swap devices. However, I've experienced cases which I have not been able to trace the root cause of yet where the disk access has increased drastically and caused the system to hang but it ma

Re: [zfs-discuss] Is it safe to disable the swap partition?

2010-05-09 Thread Richard Elling
On May 9, 2010, at 6:30 AM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: > - "Bob Friesenhahn" skrev: > >> On Sat, 8 May 2010, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: >>> >>> A vast majority of the time, the opposite is true. Most of the >> time, having >>> swap available increases performance. Because the kernel is able

Re: [zfs-discuss] Is it safe to disable the swap partition?

2010-05-09 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sun, 9 May 2010, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: Are you sure about this? It is always good to be sure ... This is the case with most OSes now. Swap out stuff early, perhaps keep it in RAM and swap at the same time, and the kernel can choose what to do later. In Linux you can set it in /pro

Re: [zfs-discuss] Is it safe to disable the swap partition?

2010-05-09 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: Bob Friesenhahn [mailto:bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us] > > On Sat, 8 May 2010, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > > > > A vast majority of the time, the opposite is true. Most of the time, > having > > swap available increases performance. Because the kernel is able to > choose: > > "Should I swa

Re: [zfs-discuss] Is it safe to disable the swap partition?

2010-05-09 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: Bob Friesenhahn [mailto:bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us] > > On Sat, 8 May 2010, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > > > > A vast majority of the time, the opposite is true. Most of the time, > having > > swap available increases performance. Because the kernel is able to > choose: > > "Should I swa

Re: [zfs-discuss] Is it safe to disable the swap partition?

2010-05-09 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
- "Bob Friesenhahn" skrev: > On Sat, 8 May 2010, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > > > > A vast majority of the time, the opposite is true. Most of the > time, having > > swap available increases performance. Because the kernel is able to > choose: > > "Should I swap out this idle process, or shou

Re: [zfs-discuss] Is it safe to disable the swap partition?

2010-05-08 Thread Brandon High
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Richard Elling wrote: >> Remove the line from /etc/vfstab and reboot. > > No need to reboot.  Just edit the /etc/vfstab and use "swap -d" > to remove the swap device. I tried that on a VBox instance and it failed to remove the swap. I guess only reboot id swap -d d

Re: [zfs-discuss] Is it safe to disable the swap partition?

2010-05-08 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sat, 8 May 2010, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: A vast majority of the time, the opposite is true. Most of the time, having swap available increases performance. Because the kernel is able to choose: "Should I swap out this idle process, or should I dump files out of cache?" With swap enabled, th

Re: [zfs-discuss] Is it safe to disable the swap partition?

2010-05-08 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Karl Dalen > > If I want to reduce the I/O accesses for example to SSD media on a > laptop > and I don't plan to run any big applications is it safe to delete the > swap file ? > > How do I co

Re: [zfs-discuss] Is it safe to disable the swap partition?

2010-05-08 Thread Richard Elling
On May 8, 2010, at 8:57 AM, Brandon High wrote: > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Karl Dalen wrote: >> If I want to reduce the I/O accesses for example to SSD media on a laptop >> and I don't plan to run any big applications is it safe to delete the swap >> file ? > > When installing on a sma

Re: [zfs-discuss] Is it safe to disable the swap partition?

2010-05-08 Thread Brandon High
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Karl Dalen wrote: > If I want to reduce the I/O accesses for example to SSD media on a laptop > and I don't plan to run any big applications is it safe to delete the swap > file ? When installing on a small drive (eg: 8GB thumb drive), the installer doesn't crea

[zfs-discuss] Is it safe to disable the swap partition?

2010-04-22 Thread Karl Dalen
If I want to reduce the I/O accesses for example to SSD media on a laptop and I don't plan to run any big applications is it safe to delete the swap file ? How do I configure opensolairs to run without swap ? I've tried 'swap -d /dev/zvol/dsk/rpool/swap' but 'swap -s' still shows the same amount