Re: [zfs-discuss] Plans for swapping to part of a pool

2007-07-16 Thread Darren J Moffat
Lori Alt wrote: Since it seems that we won't be swapping on ZVOLS I need to find out more how we will be providing swap and dump space in a root pool. The current plan is to provide what we're calling (for lack of a better term. I'm open to suggestions.) a pseudo-zvol. It's

Re: [zfs-discuss] Plans for swapping to part of a pool

2007-07-13 Thread Darren J Moffat
Bart Smaalders wrote: aside For those of us who've been swapping to zvols for some time, can you describe the failure modes? /aside I can swap fine. I can't dump. LU gets confused about them and I have to re add it. It is slower than swapping directly to a slice. I've never needed to snapshot

Re: [zfs-discuss] Plans for swapping to part of a pool

2007-07-13 Thread Daniel Carosone
(for lack of a better term. I'm open to suggestions.) a pseudo-zvol. It's meant to be a low overhead way to emulate a slice within a pool. So no COW or related zfs features Are these a zslice? zbart - Don't have a CoW, man! This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Plans for swapping to part of a pool

2007-07-13 Thread Darren J Moffat
Daniel Carosone wrote: (for lack of a better term. I'm open to suggestions.) a pseudo-zvol. It's meant to be a low overhead way to emulate a slice within a pool. So no COW or related zfs features Are these a zslice? zbart - Don't have a CoW, man! but we already have /usr/bin/bart :-)

Re: [zfs-discuss] Plans for swapping to part of a pool

2007-07-13 Thread Lori Alt
Torrey McMahon wrote: I really don't want to bring this up but ... Why do we still tell people to use swap volumes? Jeff Bonwick has suggested a fix to 6528296 (system hang while zvol swap space shorted). If we can get that fixed, then it may become safe to use true zvols for swap. I'll

Re: [zfs-discuss] Plans for swapping to part of a pool

2007-07-13 Thread Richard Elling
Lori Alt wrote: Torrey McMahon wrote: I really don't want to bring this up but ... Why do we still tell people to use swap volumes? Jeff Bonwick has suggested a fix to 6528296 (system hang while zvol swap space shorted). If we can get that fixed, then it may become safe to use true

[zfs-discuss] Plans for swapping to part of a pool

2007-07-12 Thread Darren J Moffat
As part of the ARC inception review for ZFS crypto we were asked to follow up on PSARC/2006/370 which indicates that swap dump will be done using a means other than a ZVOL. Currently I have the ZFS crypto project allowing for ephemeral keys to support using a ZVOL as a swap device. Since it

Re: [zfs-discuss] Plans for swapping to part of a pool

2007-07-12 Thread Lori Alt
Darren J Moffat wrote: As part of the ARC inception review for ZFS crypto we were asked to follow up on PSARC/2006/370 which indicates that swap dump will be done using a means other than a ZVOL. Currently I have the ZFS crypto project allowing for ephemeral keys to support using a ZVOL

Re: [zfs-discuss] Plans for swapping to part of a pool

2007-07-12 Thread Darren J Moffat
Thanks for the info. As for name suggestions here are a few: RAW RVOL RZVOL -- Darren J Moffat ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] Plans for swapping to part of a pool

2007-07-12 Thread Bart Smaalders
Lori Alt wrote: Darren J Moffat wrote: As part of the ARC inception review for ZFS crypto we were asked to follow up on PSARC/2006/370 which indicates that swap dump will be done using a means other than a ZVOL. Currently I have the ZFS crypto project allowing for ephemeral keys to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Plans for swapping to part of a pool

2007-07-12 Thread Lori Alt
Treat a pseudo-zvol like you would a slice. So these new zvol-like things don't support snapshots, etc, right? I take it they work by allowing overwriting of the data, correct? yes, and yes Are these a zslice? I suppose we could call them that. That's better than pseudo-zvol. rzvol

Re: [zfs-discuss] Plans for swapping to part of a pool

2007-07-12 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Thu, 2007-07-12 at 10:45 -0700, Bart Smaalders wrote: aside For those of us who've been swapping to zvols for some time, can you describe the failure modes? /aside I asked about this during the zfs boot inception review -- the high level answer is occasional deadlock in low-memory

Re: [zfs-discuss] Plans for swapping to part of a pool

2007-07-12 Thread Torrey McMahon
I really don't want to bring this up but ... Why do we still tell people to use swap volumes? Would we have the same sort of issue with the dump device so we need to fix it anyway? ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Plans for swapping to part of a pool

2007-07-12 Thread Al Hopper
On Thu, 12 Jul 2007, Bill Sommerfeld wrote: On Thu, 2007-07-12 at 10:45 -0700, Bart Smaalders wrote: aside For those of us who've been swapping to zvols for some time, can you describe the failure modes? /aside I asked about this during the zfs boot inception review -- the high level