Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID10

2010-04-15 Thread Freddie Cash
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Slack-Moehrle wrote: > OK, so I made progress today. FreeBSD see's all of my drives, ZFS is acting > correct. > > Now for me confusion. > > RAIDz3 > > # zpool create datastore raidz3 da0 da1 da2 da3 da4 da5 da6 da7 > Gives: 'raidz3' no such GEOM providor > > FreeB

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID10

2010-03-26 Thread Victor Latushkin
On Mar 26, 2010, at 23:37, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: On Fri, March 26, 2010 14:25, Malte Schirmacher wrote: Bob Friesenhahn wrote: Except that ZFS does not support RAID0. I don't know why you guys persist with these absurd claims and continue to use wrong and misleading terminology. What

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID10

2010-03-26 Thread Tim Cook
command twice for da6 and da7? > > -Jason > > - Original Message - > From: "Slack-Moehrle" > To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 12:13:58 PM > Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID10 > > > > >> Can someone explain in te

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID10

2010-03-26 Thread Slack-Moehrle
s.org Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 12:13:58 PM Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID10 >> Can someone explain in terms of usable space RAIDZ vs RAIDZ2 vs RAIDZ3? With >> 8 x 1.5tb? >> I apologize for seeming dense, I just am confused about non-stardard raid >> setups, they

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID10

2010-03-26 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010, Freddie Cash wrote: On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Fri, 26 Mar 2010, Freddie Cash wrote: Overly-simplified, a ZFS pool is a RAID0 stripeset across all the member vdevs, which can be Except that ZFS does no

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID10

2010-03-26 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: The question was essentially "Wait, I don't see RAID 10 here, and that's what I like. How do I do that?" I think the answer was responsive and not misleading enough to be dangerous; the differences can be explicated later. Most of us choose a poo

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID10

2010-03-26 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010, Malte Schirmacher wrote: Bob Friesenhahn wrote: Except that ZFS does not support RAID0. I don't know why you guys persist with these absurd claims and continue to use wrong and misleading terminology. What is the main difference between RAID0 and striping (what zfs real

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID10

2010-03-26 Thread Eric Andersen
It depends a bit on how you set up the drives really. You could make one raidz vdev of 8 drives, losing one of them for parity, or you could make two raidz vdevs of 4 drives each and lose two drives for parity (one for each vdev). You could also do one raidz2 vdev of 8 drives and lose two driv

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID10

2010-03-26 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Fri, March 26, 2010 14:25, Malte Schirmacher wrote: > Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > >> Except that ZFS does not support RAID0. I don't know why you guys >> persist with these absurd claims and continue to use wrong and >> misleading terminology. > > What is the main difference between RAID0 and str

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID10

2010-03-26 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Fri, March 26, 2010 14:21, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > On Fri, 26 Mar 2010, Freddie Cash wrote: >> >> Overly-simplified, a ZFS pool is a RAID0 stripeset across all the member >> vdevs, which can be > > Except that ZFS does not support RAID0. I don't know why you guys > persist with these absurd c

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID10

2010-03-26 Thread Freddie Cash
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Bob Friesenhahn < bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us> wrote: > On Fri, 26 Mar 2010, Freddie Cash wrote: > >> >> Overly-simplified, a ZFS pool is a RAID0 stripeset across all the member >> vdevs, which can be >> > > Except that ZFS does not support RAID0. Wow, what par

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID10

2010-03-26 Thread Ray Van Dolson
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 12:25:54PM -0700, Malte Schirmacher wrote: > Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > > > Except that ZFS does not support RAID0. I don't know why you guys > > persist with these absurd claims and continue to use wrong and > > misleading terminology. > > What is the main difference betwe

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID10

2010-03-26 Thread Malte Schirmacher
Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > Except that ZFS does not support RAID0. I don't know why you guys > persist with these absurd claims and continue to use wrong and > misleading terminology. What is the main difference between RAID0 and striping (what zfs really does, i guess?) _

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID10

2010-03-26 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010, Freddie Cash wrote: Overly-simplified, a ZFS pool is a RAID0 stripeset across all the member vdevs, which can be Except that ZFS does not support RAID0. I don't know why you guys persist with these absurd claims and continue to use wrong and misleading terminology. W

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID10

2010-03-26 Thread Slack-Moehrle
>> Can someone explain in terms of usable space RAIDZ vs RAIDZ2 vs RAIDZ3? With >> 8 x 1.5tb? >> I apologize for seeming dense, I just am confused about non-stardard raid >> setups, they seem tricky. > raidz "eats" one disk. Like RAID5 > raidz2 digests another one. Like RAID6 > raidz3 yet an

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID10

2010-03-26 Thread Matt Cowger
] On Behalf Of Slack-Moehrle Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 12:04 PM To: Tim Cook Cc: zfs-discuss Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID10 >>So if I have 8 x 1.5tb drives, wouldn't I: >>- mirror drive 1 and 5 >>- mirror drive 2 and 6 >>- mirror drive 3 and 7 >>- m

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID10

2010-03-26 Thread Svein Skogen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 26.03.2010 20:04, Slack-Moehrle wrote: > > >>> So if I have 8 x 1.5tb drives, wouldn't I: > >>> - mirror drive 1 and 5 >>> - mirror drive 2 and 6 >>> - mirror drive 3 and 7 >>> - mirror drive 4 and 8 > >>> Then stripe 1,2,3,4 > >>> Then s

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID10

2010-03-26 Thread Slack-Moehrle
>>So if I have 8 x 1.5tb drives, wouldn't I: >>- mirror drive 1 and 5 >>- mirror drive 2 and 6 >>- mirror drive 3 and 7 >>- mirror drive 4 and 8 >>Then stripe 1,2,3,4 >>Then stripe 5,6,7,8 >>How does one do this with ZFS? >So you would do: >zpool create tank mirror drive1 drive2 mir

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID10

2010-03-26 Thread Freddie Cash
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Slack-Moehrle < mailingli...@mailnewsrss.com> wrote: > I am looking at ZFS and I get that they call it RAIDZ which is similar to > RAID 5, but what about RAID 10? Isn't a RAID 10 setup better for data > protection? > > So if I have 8 x 1.5tb drives, wouldn't I: >

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID10

2010-03-26 Thread Rich Teer
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010, Slack-Moehrle wrote: > Hi All, > > I am looking at ZFS and I get that they call it RAIDZ which is > similar to RAID 5, but what about RAID 10? Isn't a RAID 10 setup better > for data protection? I think so--at the expense of extra disks for a given amount of available storag

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID10

2010-03-26 Thread Tim Cook
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Slack-Moehrle wrote: > Hi All, > > I am looking at ZFS and I get that they call it RAIDZ which is similar to > RAID 5, but what about RAID 10? Isn't a RAID 10 setup better for data > protection? > > So if I have 8 x 1.5tb drives, wouldn't I: > > - mirror drive 1 a

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID10

2010-03-26 Thread Carson Gaspar
:35 AM Subject: [zfs-discuss] RAID10 Hi All, I am looking at ZFS and I get that they call it RAIDZ which is similar to RAID 5, but what about RAID 10? Isn't a RAID 10 setup better for data protection? So if I have 8 x 1.5tb drives, wouldn't I: - mirror drive 1 and 5 - mirror drive

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID10

2010-03-26 Thread Slack-Moehrle
And I should mention that I have a boot drive (500gb SATA) so I dont have to consider booting from the RAID, I just want to use it for storage. - Original Message - From: "Slack-Moehrle" To: "zfs-discuss" Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 11:39:35 AM Subject: [zfs-dis

[zfs-discuss] RAID10

2010-03-26 Thread Slack-Moehrle
Hi All, I am looking at ZFS and I get that they call it RAIDZ which is similar to RAID 5, but what about RAID 10? Isn't a RAID 10 setup better for data protection? So if I have 8 x 1.5tb drives, wouldn't I: - mirror drive 1 and 5 - mirror drive 2 and 6 - mirror drive 3 and 7 - mirror drive 4 an