Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-09 Thread Eric D. Mudama
On Fri, Apr 8 at 22:03, Erik Trimble wrote: I want my J4000's back, too. And, I still want something like HP's MSA 70 (25 x 2.5 drive JBOD in a 2U formfactor) Just noticed that SuperMicro is now selling a 4U 72-bay 2.5 6Gbit/s SAS chassis, the SC417. Unclear from the documentation how many

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-09 Thread Julian King
On 8 Apr 2011, at 19:43, Marion Hakanson hakan...@ohsu.edu wrote: which peak at around 7 Gb/s down a 10G link (in reality I don't need that much because it is all about the IOPS for me). That is with just twelve 15k disks. Depending on usage, I disagree with your bandwidth and

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-09 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Julian King Actually I think our figures more or less agree. 12 disks = 7 mbits 48 disks = 4x7mbits I know that sounds like terrible performance to me. Any time I benchmark disks, a cheap

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-09 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 04/09/2011 01:41 PM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Julian King Actually I think our figures more or less agree. 12 disks = 7 mbits 48 disks = 4x7mbits I know that sounds like terrible

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-09 Thread Julian King
On 9 Apr 2011, at 12:59, Sašo Kiselkov skiselkov...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/09/2011 01:41 PM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Julian King Actually I think our figures more or less agree. 12 disks =

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Erik Trimble
On 4/7/2011 10:25 AM, Chris Banal wrote: While I understand everything at Oracle is top secret these days. Does anyone have any insight into a next-gen X4500 / X4540? Does some other Oracle / Sun partner make a comparable system that is fully supported by Oracle / Sun?

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Ian Collins
On 04/ 8/11 06:30 PM, Erik Trimble wrote: On 4/7/2011 10:25 AM, Chris Banal wrote: While I understand everything at Oracle is top secret these days. Does anyone have any insight into a next-gen X4500 / X4540? Does some other Oracle / Sun partner make a comparable system that is fully

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Erik Trimble
On 4/8/2011 12:37 AM, Ian Collins wrote: On 04/ 8/11 06:30 PM, Erik Trimble wrote: On 4/7/2011 10:25 AM, Chris Banal wrote: While I understand everything at Oracle is top secret these days. Does anyone have any insight into a next-gen X4500 / X4540? Does some other Oracle / Sun partner make

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Mark Sandrock
On Apr 8, 2011, at 2:37 AM, Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: On 04/ 8/11 06:30 PM, Erik Trimble wrote: On 4/7/2011 10:25 AM, Chris Banal wrote: While I understand everything at Oracle is top secret these days. Does anyone have any insight into a next-gen X4500 / X4540? Does some other

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Ian Collins
On 04/ 8/11 08:08 PM, Mark Sandrock wrote: On Apr 8, 2011, at 2:37 AM, Ian Collinsi...@ianshome.com wrote: On 04/ 8/11 06:30 PM, Erik Trimble wrote: On 4/7/2011 10:25 AM, Chris Banal wrote: While I understand everything at Oracle is top secret these days. Does anyone have any insight into

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Mark Sandrock
On Apr 8, 2011, at 3:29 AM, Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: On 04/ 8/11 08:08 PM, Mark Sandrock wrote: On Apr 8, 2011, at 2:37 AM, Ian Collinsi...@ianshome.com wrote: On 04/ 8/11 06:30 PM, Erik Trimble wrote: On 4/7/2011 10:25 AM, Chris Banal wrote: While I understand everything at

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Ian Collins
On 04/ 8/11 09:49 PM, Mark Sandrock wrote: On Apr 8, 2011, at 3:29 AM, Ian Collinsi...@ianshome.com wrote: On 04/ 8/11 08:08 PM, Mark Sandrock wrote: On Apr 8, 2011, at 2:37 AM, Ian Collinsi...@ianshome.com wrote: On 04/ 8/11 06:30 PM, Erik Trimble wrote: The move seems to be to the

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Evaldas Auryla
On 04/ 8/11 01:14 PM, Ian Collins wrote: You have built-in storage failover with an AR cluster; and they do NFS, CIFS, iSCSI, HTTP and WebDav out of the box. And you have fairly unlimited options for application servers, once they are decoupled from the storage servers. It doesn't seem like

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 8 Apr 2011, Mark Sandrock wrote: And you have fairly unlimited options for application servers, once they are decoupled from the storage servers. It doesn't seem like much of a drawback -- although it The rather extreme loss of I/O performance (at least several orders of magnitude)

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 8 Apr 2011, Erik Trimble wrote: Sorry, I read the question differently, as in I have X4500/X4540 now, and want more of them, but Oracle doesn't sell them anymore, what can I buy?. The 7000-series (now: Unified Storage) *are* storage appliances. They may be storage appliances, but

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Darren J Moffat
On 08/04/2011 14:59, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Fri, 8 Apr 2011, Erik Trimble wrote: Sorry, I read the question differently, as in I have X4500/X4540 now, and want more of them, but Oracle doesn't sell them anymore, what can I buy?. The 7000-series (now: Unified Storage) *are* storage

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread David Magda
On Fri, April 8, 2011 10:06, Darren J Moffat wrote: They may be storage appliances, but the user can not put their own software on them. This limits the appliance to only the features that Oracle decides to put on it. Isn't that the very definition of an Appliance ? Yes, but the OP wasn't

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Mark Sandrock
On Apr 8, 2011, at 7:50 AM, Evaldas Auryla evaldas.aur...@edqm.eu wrote: On 04/ 8/11 01:14 PM, Ian Collins wrote: You have built-in storage failover with an AR cluster; and they do NFS, CIFS, iSCSI, HTTP and WebDav out of the box. And you have fairly unlimited options for application

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Jens Elkner
On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 08:29:31PM +1200, Ian Collins wrote: On 04/ 8/11 08:08 PM, Mark Sandrock wrote: ... I don't follow? What else would an X4540 or a 7xxx box be used for, other than a storage appliance? ... No, I just wasn't clear - we use ours as storage/application servers. They run

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 04/08/2011 05:20 PM, Mark Sandrock wrote: On Apr 8, 2011, at 7:50 AM, Evaldas Auryla evaldas.aur...@edqm.eu wrote: On 04/ 8/11 01:14 PM, Ian Collins wrote: You have built-in storage failover with an AR cluster; and they do NFS, CIFS, iSCSI, HTTP and WebDav out of the box. And you

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Darren J Moffat
On 08/04/2011 17:47, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: In short, I think the X4540 was an elegant and powerful system that definitely had its market, especially in my area of work (digital video processing - heavy on latency, throughput and IOPS - an area, where the 7000-series with its over-the-network

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 04/08/2011 06:59 PM, Darren J Moffat wrote: On 08/04/2011 17:47, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: In short, I think the X4540 was an elegant and powerful system that definitely had its market, especially in my area of work (digital video processing - heavy on latency, throughput and IOPS - an area,

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread J.P. King
No, I haven't tried a S7000, but I've tried other kinds of network storage and from a design perspective, for my applications, it doesn't even make a single bit of sense. I'm talking about high-volume real-time video streaming, where you stream 500-1000 (x 8Mbit/s) live streams from a machine

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Marion Hakanson
jp...@cam.ac.uk said: I can't speak for this particular situation or solution, but I think in principle you are wrong. Networks are fast. Hard drives are slow. Put a 10G connection between your storage and your front ends and you'll have the bandwidth[1]. Actually if you really were

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Chris Banal
Sounds like many of us are in a similar situation. To clarify my original post. The goal here was to continue with what was a cost effective solution to some of our Storage requirements. I'm looking for hardware that wouldn't cause me to get the run around from the Oracle support folks,

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Erik Trimble
On 4/8/2011 1:58 PM, Chris Banal wrote: Sounds like many of us are in a similar situation. To clarify my original post. The goal here was to continue with what was a cost effective solution to some of our Storage requirements. I'm looking for hardware that wouldn't cause me to get the run

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 8 Apr 2011, J.P. King wrote: I can't speak for this particular situation or solution, but I think in principle you are wrong. Networks are fast. Hard drives are slow. Put a But memory is much faster than either. It most situations the data would already be buffered in the

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Erik Trimble
On 4/8/2011 4:50 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Fri, 8 Apr 2011, J.P. King wrote: I can't speak for this particular situation or solution, but I think in principle you are wrong. Networks are fast. Hard drives are slow. Put a But memory is much faster than either. It most situations the

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Chris Banal
Can anyone comment on Solaris with zfs on HP systems? Do things work reliably? When there is trouble how many hoops does HP make you jump through (how painful is it to get a part replaced that isn't flat out smokin')? Have you gotten bounced between vendors? Thanks, Chris Erik Trimble wrote:

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Ian Collins
On 04/ 9/11 03:20 AM, Mark Sandrock wrote: On Apr 8, 2011, at 7:50 AM, Evaldas Aurylaevaldas.aur...@edqm.eu wrote: On 04/ 8/11 01:14 PM, Ian Collins wrote: You have built-in storage failover with an AR cluster; and they do NFS, CIFS, iSCSI, HTTP and WebDav out of the box. And you have

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Adam Serediuk
Sounds like many of us are in a similar situation. To clarify my original post. The goal here was to continue with what was a cost effective solution to some of our Storage requirements. I'm looking for hardware that wouldn't cause me to get the run around from the Oracle support folks,

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Mark Sandrock
On Apr 8, 2011, at 9:39 PM, Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: On 04/ 9/11 03:20 AM, Mark Sandrock wrote: On Apr 8, 2011, at 7:50 AM, Evaldas Aurylaevaldas.aur...@edqm.eu wrote: On 04/ 8/11 01:14 PM, Ian Collins wrote: You have built-in storage failover with an AR cluster; and they do

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Ian Collins
On 04/ 9/11 03:53 PM, Mark Sandrock wrote: I'm not arguing. If it were up to me, we'd still be selling those boxes. Maybe you could whisper in the right ear? :) -- Ian. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Mark Sandrock
On Apr 8, 2011, at 11:19 PM, Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: On 04/ 9/11 03:53 PM, Mark Sandrock wrote: I'm not arguing. If it were up to me, we'd still be selling those boxes. Maybe you could whisper in the right ear? I wish. I'd have a long list if I could do that. Mark :) --

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Erik Trimble
On 4/8/2011 9:19 PM, Ian Collins wrote: On 04/ 9/11 03:53 PM, Mark Sandrock wrote: I'm not arguing. If it were up to me, we'd still be selling those boxes. Maybe you could whisper in the right ear? :) Three little words are all that Oracle Product Managers hear: Business case

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Eric D. Mudama
On Fri, Apr 8 at 18:08, Chris Banal wrote: Can anyone comment on Solaris with zfs on HP systems? Do things work reliably? When there is trouble how many hoops does HP make you jump through (how painful is it to get a part replaced that isn't flat out smokin')? Have you gotten bounced between

[zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-07 Thread Chris Banal
While I understand everything at Oracle is top secret these days. Does anyone have any insight into a next-gen X4500 / X4540? Does some other Oracle / Sun partner make a comparable system that is fully supported by Oracle / Sun?

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 RIP

2010-11-09 Thread Ray Van Dolson
On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 11:51:02PM -0800, matthew patton wrote: I have this with 36 2TB drives (and 2 separate boot drives). http://www.colfax-intl.com/jlrid/SpotLight_more_Acc.asp?L=134S=58B=2267 That's just a Supermicro SC847. http://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/4U/?chs=847

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 RIP

2010-11-09 Thread Ware Adams
On Nov 9, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Maurice Volaski wrote: http://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/4U/?chs=847 Stay away from the 24 port expander backplanes. I've gone thru several and they still don't work right - timeout and dropped drives under load. The 12-port works just fine connected

[zfs-discuss] X4540 RIP

2010-11-08 Thread Ian Collins
Oracle have deleted the best ZFS platform I know, the X4540. Does anyone know of an equivalent system? None of the current Oracle/Sun offerings come close. -- Ian. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 RIP

2010-11-08 Thread Moazam Raja
I have this with 36 2TB drives (and 2 separate boot drives). http://www.colfax-intl.com/jlrid/SpotLight_more_Acc.asp?L=134S=58B=2267 It's not exactly the same (it has cons/pros), but it is definitely less expensive. I'm running b147 on it with an LSI controller. -Moazam On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 RIP

2010-11-08 Thread matthew patton
I have this with 36 2TB drives (and 2 separate boot drives). http://www.colfax-intl.com/jlrid/SpotLight_more_Acc.asp?L=134S=58B=2267 That's just a Supermicro SC847. http://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/4U/?chs=847 Stay away from the 24 port expander backplanes. I've gone thru several

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 + SFA F20 PCIe?

2009-12-14 Thread Andrey Kuzmin
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 4:04 AM, Jens Elkner jel+...@cs.uni-magdeburg.de wrote: On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 04:23:21PM +, Andrey Kuzmin wrote: As to whether it makes sense (as opposed to two distinct physical devices), you would have read cache hits competing with log writes for bandwidth. I

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 + SFA F20 PCIe?

2009-12-14 Thread Jens Elkner
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 01:29:50PM +0300, Andrey Kuzmin wrote: On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 4:04 AM, Jens Elkner jel+...@cs.uni-magdeburg.de wrote: ... Problem is pool1 - user homes! So GNOME/firefox/eclipse/subversion/soffice ... Flash-based read cache should help here by minimizing (metadata)

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 + SFA F20 PCIe?

2009-12-13 Thread Jens Elkner
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 03:28:29PM +, Robert Milkowski wrote: Jens Elkner wrote: Hi Robert, just got a quote from our campus reseller, that readzilla and logzilla are not available for the X4540 - hmm strange Anyway, wondering whether it is possible/supported/would make sense to use

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 + SFA F20 PCIe?

2009-12-13 Thread Jens Elkner
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 04:23:21PM +, Andrey Kuzmin wrote: As to whether it makes sense (as opposed to two distinct physical devices), you would have read cache hits competing with log writes for bandwidth. I doubt both will be pleased :-) Hmm - good point. What I'm trying to accomplish:

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 + SFA F20 PCIe?

2009-12-13 Thread Richard Elling
On Dec 13, 2009, at 5:04 PM, Jens Elkner wrote: On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 04:23:21PM +, Andrey Kuzmin wrote: As to whether it makes sense (as opposed to two distinct physical devices), you would have read cache hits competing with log writes for bandwidth. I doubt both will be pleased

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 + SFA F20 PCIe?

2009-12-12 Thread Robert Milkowski
Jens Elkner wrote: Hi, just got a quote from our campus reseller, that readzilla and logzilla are not available for the X4540 - hmm strange Anyway, wondering whether it is possible/supported/would make sense to use a Sun Flash Accelerator F20 PCIe Card in a X4540 instead of 2.5 SSDs? If

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 + SFA F20 PCIe?

2009-12-12 Thread Andrey Kuzmin
As to whether it makes sense (as opposed to two distinct physical devices), you would have read cache hits competing with log writes for bandwidth. I doubt both will be pleased :-) On 12/12/09, Robert Milkowski mi...@task.gda.pl wrote: Jens Elkner wrote: Hi, just got a quote from our campus

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 + SFA F20 PCIe?

2009-12-12 Thread Robert Milkowski
Andrey Kuzmin wrote: As to whether it makes sense (as opposed to two distinct physical devices), you would have read cache hits competing with log writes for bandwidth. I doubt both will be pleased :-) As usual it depends on your workload. In many real-life scenarios the bandwidth probably

[zfs-discuss] X4540 + SFA F20 PCIe?

2009-12-11 Thread Jens Elkner
Hi, just got a quote from our campus reseller, that readzilla and logzilla are not available for the X4540 - hmm strange Anyway, wondering whether it is possible/supported/would make sense to use a Sun Flash Accelerator F20 PCIe Card in a X4540 instead of 2.5 SSDs? If so, is it possible to

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4540 boot flash

2009-10-09 Thread Ny Whe
CFs designed for the professional photography market have better specifications than CFs designed for the consumer market. CF is pretty cheap, you can pick up 16GB-32GB from $80-$200 depending on brand/quality. Assuming they do incorporate wear leveling, and considering even

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4540 dead HDD replacement, remains configured.

2009-09-18 Thread John Ryan
I have exactly these symptoms on 3 thumpers now. 2 x x4540s and 1 x x4500 Rebooting/Power cycling doesn't even bring them back. The only thing I found, is that if I boot from the osol.2009.06 Cd, I can see all the drives I had to reinstall the OS on one box. I've only just recently upgraded them

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4540 dead HDD replacement, remains configured.

2009-08-21 Thread Ian Collins
Jorgen Lundman wrote: Finally came to the reboot maintenance to reboot the x4540 to make it see the newly replaced HDD. I tried, reboot, then power-cycle, and reboot -- -r, but I can not make the x4540 accept any HDD in that bay. I'm starting to think that perhaps we did not lose the

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4540 dead HDD replacement, remains configured.

2009-08-21 Thread Jorgen Lundman
Nope, that it does not. Ian Collins wrote: Jorgen Lundman wrote: Finally came to the reboot maintenance to reboot the x4540 to make it see the newly replaced HDD. I tried, reboot, then power-cycle, and reboot -- -r, but I can not make the x4540 accept any HDD in that bay. I'm starting

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4540 dead HDD replacement, remains configured.

2009-08-21 Thread Ian Collins
Jorgen Lundman wrote: Ian Collins wrote: Jorgen Lundman wrote: Finally came to the reboot maintenance to reboot the x4540 to make it see the newly replaced HDD. I tried, reboot, then power-cycle, and reboot -- -r, but I can not make the x4540 accept any HDD in that bay. I'm starting to

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4540 dead HDD replacement, remains configured.

2009-08-19 Thread Jorgen Lundman
Finally came to the reboot maintenance to reboot the x4540 to make it see the newly replaced HDD. I tried, reboot, then power-cycle, and reboot -- -r, but I can not make the x4540 accept any HDD in that bay. I'm starting to think that perhaps we did not lose the original HDD, but rather the

[zfs-discuss] x4540 dead HDD replacement, remains configured.

2009-08-06 Thread Jorgen Lundman
x4540 snv_117 We lost a HDD last night, and it seemed to take out most of the bus or something and forced us to reboot. (We have yet to experience losing a disk that didn't force a reboot mind you). So today, I'm looking at replacing the broken HDD, but no amount of work makes it turn on

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4540 dead HDD replacement, remains configured.

2009-08-06 Thread Jorgen Lundman
I suspect this is what it is all about: # devfsadm -v devfsadm[16283]: verbose: no devfs node or mismatched dev_t for /devices/p...@0,0/pci10de,3...@b/pci1000,1...@0/s...@5,0:a [snip] and indeed: brw-r- 1 root sys 30, 2311 Aug 6 15:34 s...@4,0:wd crw-r- 1 root

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4540 dead HDD replacement, remains configured.

2009-08-06 Thread Brent Jones
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Jorgen Lundmanlund...@gmo.jp wrote: I suspect this is what it is all about:  # devfsadm -v devfsadm[16283]: verbose: no devfs node or mismatched dev_t for /devices/p...@0,0/pci10de,3...@b/pci1000,1...@0/s...@5,0:a [snip] and indeed: brw-r-   1 root  

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4540 dead HDD replacement, remains configured.

2009-08-06 Thread Ross
Whoah! We have yet to experience losing a disk that didn't force a reboot Do you have any notes on how many times this has happened Jorgen, or what steps you've taken each time? I appreciate you're probably more concerned with getting an answer to your question, but if ZFS needs a reboot to

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4540 dead HDD replacement, remains configured.

2009-08-06 Thread Jorgen Lundman
Well, to be fair, there were some special cases. I know we had 3 separate occasions with broken HDDs, when we were using UFS. 2 of these appeared to hang, and the 3rd only hung once we replaced the disk. This is most likely due to use using UFS in zvol (for quotas). We got an IDR patch, and

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4540 boot flash

2009-06-07 Thread Paul B. Henson
On Sat, 6 Jun 2009, Richard Elling wrote: The presumption is that you are using UFS for the CF, not ZFS. UFS is not COW, so there is a potential endurance problem for blocks which are known to be rewritten many times. ZFS will not have this problem, so if you use ZFS root, you are better

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4540 boot flash

2009-06-07 Thread Richard Elling
Paul B. Henson wrote: On Sat, 6 Jun 2009, Richard Elling wrote: The presumption is that you are using UFS for the CF, not ZFS. UFS is not COW, so there is a potential endurance problem for blocks which are known to be rewritten many times. ZFS will not have this problem, so if you use ZFS

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4540 boot flash

2009-06-06 Thread Richard Elling
Paul B. Henson wrote: So I was looking into the boot flash feature of the newer x4540, and evidently it is simply a CompactFlash slot, with all of the disadvantages and limitations of that type of media. The sun deployment guide recommends minimizing writes to a CF boot device, in particular by

[zfs-discuss] x4540 boot flash

2009-06-05 Thread Paul B. Henson
So I was looking into the boot flash feature of the newer x4540, and evidently it is simply a CompactFlash slot, with all of the disadvantages and limitations of that type of media. The sun deployment guide recommends minimizing writes to a CF boot device, in particular by NFS mounting /var from

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 32GB SSD in x4500 as slog

2009-05-16 Thread Richard Elling
Paul B. Henson wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009, Richard Elling wrote: If I wanted to swap between a 32GB SSD and a 1TB SATA drive, I guess I would need to make a partition/slice on the TB drive of exactly the size of the SSD? Yes, but note that an SMI label hangs onto the outdated notion

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 32GB SSD in x4500 as slog

2009-05-15 Thread Paul B. Henson
On Wed, 13 May 2009, Richard Elling wrote: If I wanted to swap between a 32GB SSD and a 1TB SATA drive, I guess I would need to make a partition/slice on the TB drive of exactly the size of the SSD? Yes, but note that an SMI label hangs onto the outdated notion of cylinders and you can't

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 32GB SSD in x4500 as slog

2009-05-13 Thread Richard Elling
Paul B. Henson wrote: I see Sun has recently released part number XRA-ST1CH-32G2SSD, a 32GB SATA SSD for the x4540 server. I didn't find that exact part number, but I notice that manufacturing part 371-4196 32GB Solid State Drive, SATA Interface is showing up in a number of systems.

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 32GB SSD in x4500 as slog

2009-05-13 Thread Paul B. Henson
On Wed, 13 May 2009, Richard Elling wrote: I didn't find that exact part number, but I notice that manufacturing part 371-4196 32GB Solid State Drive, SATA Interface is showing up in a number of systems. IIRC, this would be an Intel X25-E. Hmm, the part number I provided was off an

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 32GB SSD in x4500 as slog

2009-05-13 Thread Eric D. Mudama
On Wed, May 13 at 17:27, Paul B. Henson wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009, Richard Elling wrote: Intel claims 3,300 4kByte random write iops. Is that before after the device gets full and starts needing to erase whole pages to write new blocks 8-/? The quoted numbers are minimums, not up to like

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 32GB SSD in x4500 as slog

2009-05-13 Thread Richard Elling
Paul B. Henson wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009, Richard Elling wrote: I didn't find that exact part number, but I notice that manufacturing part 371-4196 32GB Solid State Drive, SATA Interface is showing up in a number of systems. IIRC, this would be an Intel X25-E. Hmm, the part

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540

2008-07-14 Thread Mertol Ozyoney
, July 14, 2008 3:58 AM To: Moore, Joe Cc: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Moore, Joe wrote: Bob Friesenhahn I expect that Sun is realizing that it is already undercutting much of the rest of its product line. These minor updates would allow

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540

2008-07-13 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Moore, Joe wrote: Bob Friesenhahn I expect that Sun is realizing that it is already undercutting much of the rest of its product line. These minor updates would allow the X4540 to compete against much more expensive StorageTek SAN hardware. Assuming, of course that

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540

2008-07-12 Thread Akhilesh Mritunjai
Well, I'm not holding out much hope of Sun working with these suppliers any time soon. I asked Vmetro why they don't work with Sun considering how well ZFS seems to fit with their products, and this was the reply I got: Micro Memory has a long history of working with Sun, and I worked at

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540

2008-07-12 Thread Dale Ghent
On Jul 11, 2008, at 5:32 PM, Richard Elling wrote: Yes, of course. But there is only one CF slot. Cool coincidence that the following article on CF cards and DMA transfers was posted to /. http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/12/1851251 I take it that Sun's going ship/sell

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540

2008-07-11 Thread Ross
Well, I'm not holding out much hope of Sun working with these suppliers any time soon. I asked Vmetro why they don't work with Sun considering how well ZFS seems to fit with their products, and this was the reply I got: Micro Memory has a long history of working with Sun, and I worked at Sun

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540

2008-07-11 Thread David Magda
On Jul 10, 2008, at 12:42, Tim wrote: It's the same reason you don't see HDS or EMC rushing to adjust the price of the SYM or USP-V based on Sun releasing the thumpers. No one ever got fired for buying EMC/HDS/NTAP I know my company has corporate standards for various aspects of IT,

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540

2008-07-11 Thread Moore, Joe
Bob Friesenhahn I expect that Sun is realizing that it is already undercutting much of the rest of its product line. These minor updates would allow the X4540 to compete against much more expensive StorageTek SAN hardware. Assuming, of course that the requirements for the more expensive

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540

2008-07-11 Thread Tim
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Moore, Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Features. RAS. Simplicity. Corporate Inertia (having storage admins who don't know OpenSolaris). Executive outings with StorageTek-logo'd golfballs. The last 2 aren't something I'd build a business case around, but

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540

2008-07-11 Thread Ian Collins
Richard Elling wrote: The best news, for many folks, is that you can boot from an (externally pluggable) CF card, so that you don't have to burn two disks for the OS. Can these be mirrored? I've been bitten by these cards failing (in a camera). Ian

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540

2008-07-11 Thread Richard Elling
Ian Collins wrote: Richard Elling wrote: The best news, for many folks, is that you can boot from an (externally pluggable) CF card, so that you don't have to burn two disks for the OS. Can these be mirrored? I've been bitten by these cards failing (in a camera). Yes, of

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540

2008-07-10 Thread Ross
I think it's a cracking upgrade Richard. I was hoping Sun would do something like this, so it's great to see it arrive. As others have said though, I think Sun are missing a trick by not working with Vmetro or Fusion-io to add nvram cards to the range now. In particular, if Sun were to work

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540

2008-07-10 Thread Ross
Oh god, I hope not. A patent on fitting a card in a PCI-E slot, or using nvram with RAID (which raid controllers have been doing for years) would just be rediculous. This is nothing more than cache, and even with the American patent system I'd have though it hard to get that past the

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540

2008-07-10 Thread Spencer Shepler
On Jul 10, 2008, at 7:05 AM, Ross wrote: Oh god, I hope not. A patent on fitting a card in a PCI-E slot, or using nvram with RAID (which raid controllers have been doing for years) would just be rediculous. This is nothing more than cache, and even with the American patent system I'd

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540

2008-07-10 Thread Torrey McMahon
Spencer Shepler wrote: On Jul 10, 2008, at 7:05 AM, Ross wrote: Oh god, I hope not. A patent on fitting a card in a PCI-E slot, or using nvram with RAID (which raid controllers have been doing for years) would just be rediculous. This is nothing more than cache, and even with the

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540

2008-07-10 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Ross wrote: As a NFS storage platform, you'd be beating EMC and NetApp on price, spindle count, features and performance. I really hope somebody at Sun considers this, and thinks about expanding the What can you do with an x4540 section on the website to include

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540

2008-07-10 Thread Tim
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Bob Friesenhahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Ross wrote: As a NFS storage platform, you'd be beating EMC and NetApp on price, spindle count, features and performance. I really hope somebody at Sun considers this, and thinks about

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540

2008-07-10 Thread Richard Elling
Torrey McMahon wrote: Spencer Shepler wrote: On Jul 10, 2008, at 7:05 AM, Ross wrote: Oh god, I hope not. A patent on fitting a card in a PCI-E slot, or using nvram with RAID (which raid controllers have been doing for years) would just be rediculous. This is nothing more

[zfs-discuss] X4540

2008-07-09 Thread Tim
So, I see Sun finally updated the Thumper, and it appears they're now using a PCI-E backplane. Anyone happen to know what the chipset is? Any chance we'll see an 8-port PCI-E SATA card finally?? The new Sun Fire X4540 server uses PCI Express IO technology for more than triple the system

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540

2008-07-09 Thread Eric Schrock
The X4540 uses on-board LSI SAS controllers (C1068E). - Eric On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 02:59:26PM -0500, Tim wrote: So, I see Sun finally updated the Thumper, and it appears they're now using a PCI-E backplane. Anyone happen to know what the chipset is? Any chance we'll see an 8-port PCI-E

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540

2008-07-09 Thread Tim
On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Eric Schrock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The X4540 uses on-board LSI SAS controllers (C1068E). - Eric On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 02:59:26PM -0500, Tim wrote: So, I see Sun finally updated the Thumper, and it appears they're now using a PCI-E backplane. Anyone

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540

2008-07-09 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I see Sun finally updated the Thumper, and it appears they're now using a PCI-E backplane. Anyone happen to know what the chipset is? Any chance we'll see an 8-port PCI-E SATA card finally?? The new Sun Fire X4540 server uses

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540

2008-07-09 Thread Richard Elling
Tim wrote: So, I see Sun finally updated the Thumper, and it appears they're now using a PCI-E backplane. Anyone happen to know what the chipset is? Any chance we'll see an 8-port PCI-E SATA card finally?? One NVidia MCP-55 and two NVidia IO-55s replace the thumper's AMD-8132 HT to PCI-X

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540

2008-07-09 Thread Eric Schrock
On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 03:19:53PM -0500, Mike Gerdts wrote: Any word on why PCI-Express was not extended to the expansion slots? I put PCI-Express cards in every other server that I connect to 10 gigabit Ethernet or the SAN (FC tape drives). The webpage is incorrect. There are three 8x

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540

2008-07-09 Thread Tim
Might also want to have them talk to byteandswitch. * **We went to the next-generation Intel processors [and] we have used the latest generation of our Solaris ZFS software, he explains, adding that the J4000 JBODs can also be connected to the X4540.* Either the 4540 is using XEON's now, someone

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540

2008-07-09 Thread Eric Schrock
On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 03:52:27PM -0500, Tim wrote: Is the 4540 still running a rageXL? I find that somewhat humorous if it's an Nvidia chipset with ATI video :) According to SMBIOS there is an on-board device of type AST2000 VGA. - Eric -- Eric Schrock, Fishworks

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540

2008-07-09 Thread Richard Elling
Tim wrote: Is the 4540 still running a rageXL? I find that somewhat humorous if it's an Nvidia chipset with ATI video :) Yes, it is part of the chip which handles the management interface. I don't find this to be a contradiction, though. AMD bought ATI and we're using AMD Quad-core CPUs.

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540

2008-07-09 Thread Richard Elling
Eric Schrock wrote: On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 03:52:27PM -0500, Tim wrote: Is the 4540 still running a rageXL? I find that somewhat humorous if it's an Nvidia chipset with ATI video :) According to SMBIOS there is an on-board device of type AST2000 VGA. Yes, I think I found

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540

2008-07-09 Thread Al Hopper
On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Richard Elling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim wrote: So, I see Sun finally updated the Thumper, and it appears they're now using a PCI-E backplane. Anyone happen to know what the chipset is? Any chance we'll see an 8-port PCI-E SATA card finally?? One NVidia

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