Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-24 Thread Ron Mexico
> Suffice to say, 2 top-level raidz2 vdevs of similar size with copies=2 > should offer very nearly the same protection as raidz2+1. > -- richard This looks like the way to go. Thanks for your input. It's much appreciated! -- This message posted from opensolaris.org _

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-22 Thread Richard Elling
On Aug 22, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Kees Nuyt wrote: On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:04:49 -0700, Richard Elling wrote: You can get in the same ballpark with at least two top-level raidz2 devs and copies=2. If you have three or more top-level raidz2 vdevs, then you can even do better with copies=3 ;-) Plea

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-22 Thread Kees Nuyt
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:04:49 -0700, Richard Elling wrote: > You can get in the same ballpark with at least two top-level > raidz2 devs and copies=2. If you have three or more > top-level raidz2 vdevs, then you can even do better > with copies=3 ;-) Please note that copies=3 will be obsoleted so

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, Richard Elling wrote: magnitude for HDDs). Depending on the repair policy, the probability of losing a SAS controller is expected to be less than the probability of losing 3 disks in a raidz2. Since SAS is relatively easy to make redundant, a really paranoid person would h

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, Ron Mexico wrote: Since I can't make a mirrored raidz2, I'd like the next best thing. If that means doing a zfs send from one raidz2 to the other, that's fine. Without using heirarchical servers (e.g. volumes from a zfs pool exported via iSCSI to be part of another zfs

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, Tim Cook wrote: Raid10 won't provide as much protection. Raidz21, you can lose any 4 drives, and up to 14 if it's the right 14. Raid10, if you lose the wrong two drives, you're done. On the flip side, the chance of loosing a second drive during the recovery interval is

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Richard Elling
comment far below... On Aug 21, 2009, at 6:17 PM, Tim Cook wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Richard Elling > wrote: On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:55 PM, Tim Cook wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Richard Elling > wrote: My vote is with Ross. KISS wins :-) Disclaimer: I'm also a member of

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Richard Elling
On Aug 21, 2009, at 6:09 PM, Adam Sherman wrote: On 21-Aug-09, at 21:04 , Richard Elling wrote: My point is, RAIDZx+1 SHOULD be simple. I don't entirely understand why it hasn't been implemented. I can only imagine like so many other things it's because there hasn't been significant cus

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Tim Cook
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Richard Elling wrote: > On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:55 PM, Tim Cook wrote: > >> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Richard Elling >> wrote: >> >> My vote is with Ross. KISS wins :-) >> Disclaimer: I'm also a member of BAARF. >> >> >> My point is, RAIDZx+1 SHOULD be simple

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Adam Sherman
On 21-Aug-09, at 21:04 , Richard Elling wrote: My point is, RAIDZx+1 SHOULD be simple. I don't entirely understand why it hasn't been implemented. I can only imagine like so many other things it's because there hasn't been significant customer demand. Unfortunate if it's as simple as I be

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Richard Elling
On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:55 PM, Tim Cook wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Richard Elling > wrote: My vote is with Ross. KISS wins :-) Disclaimer: I'm also a member of BAARF. My point is, RAIDZx+1 SHOULD be simple. I don't entirely understand why it hasn't been implemented. I can only i

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Tim Cook
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Richard Elling wrote: > On Aug 21, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Tim Cook wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Ross Walker wrote: >> On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Ron Mexico wrote: >> >> I'm in the process of setting up a NAS for my company. It's going to be >> based

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Richard Elling
On Aug 21, 2009, at 3:34 PM, Tim Cook wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Ross Walker wrote: On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Ron Mexico wrote: I'm in the process of setting up a NAS for my company. It's going to be based on Open Solaris and ZFS, running on a Dell R710 with two SAS 5/

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Ian Collins
Ron Mexico wrote: You'll have to add a bit of meat to "this"! What are you resiliency, space and performance requirements? Resiliency is most important, followed by space and then speed. It's primary function is to host digital assets for ad agencies and backups of other servers and wor

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Ron Mexico
> You'll have to add a bit of meat to "this"! > > What are you resiliency, space and performance > requirements? Resiliency is most important, followed by space and then speed. It's primary function is to host digital assets for ad agencies and backups of other servers and workstations in the o

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Tim Cook
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Ross Walker wrote: > On Aug 21, 2009, at 6:34 PM, Tim Cook wrote: > > > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Ross Walker < > rswwal...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Ron Mexico < >> no-re...@opensolaris.org> wrote: >> >> I'm in the process o

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Ian Collins
Ron Mexico wrote: I'm in the process of setting up a NAS for my company. It's going to be based on Open Solaris and ZFS, running on a Dell R710 with two SAS 5/E HBAs. Each HBA will be connected to a 24 bay Supermicro JBOD chassis. Each chassis will have 12 drives to start out with, giving us r

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Ross Walker
On Aug 21, 2009, at 6:34 PM, Tim Cook wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Ross Walker wrote: On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Ron Mexico wrote: I'm in the process of setting up a NAS for my company. It's going to be based on Open Solaris and ZFS, running on a Dell R710 with two SA

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Jason Pfingstmann
As you can add multiple vdevs to a pool, my suggestion would be to do several smaller raidz1 or raidz2 vdevs in the pool. With your setup - assuming 2 HBAs @ 24 drives each your setup would have yielded 20 drives usable storage (about) (assuming raidz2 with 2 spares on each HBA) and then mirror

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Tim Cook
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Ross Walker wrote: > On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Ron Mexico wrote: > > I'm in the process of setting up a NAS for my company. It's going to be >> based on Open Solaris and ZFS, running on a Dell R710 with two SAS 5/E HBAs. >> Each HBA will be connected to a 24

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Ross Walker
On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Ron Mexico wrote: I'm in the process of setting up a NAS for my company. It's going to be based on Open Solaris and ZFS, running on a Dell R710 with two SAS 5/E HBAs. Each HBA will be connected to a 24 bay Supermicro JBOD chassis. Each chassis will have 12 dr

[zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration input needed.

2009-08-21 Thread Ron Mexico
I'm in the process of setting up a NAS for my company. It's going to be based on Open Solaris and ZFS, running on a Dell R710 with two SAS 5/E HBAs. Each HBA will be connected to a 24 bay Supermicro JBOD chassis. Each chassis will have 12 drives to start out with, giving us room for expansion as