Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS performance using slices vs. entire disk?

2006-08-11 Thread Roch
Darren: > > With all of the talk about performance problems due to > > ZFS doing a sync to force the drives to commit to data > > being on disk, how much of a benefit is this - especially > > for NFS? I would not call those things as problems, more like setting proper expectations. My unde

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS performance using slices vs. entire disk?

2006-08-03 Thread Joseph Mocker
Eric Schrock wrote: On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 10:24:12AM -0700, Marion Hakanson wrote: zpool create mirror c0t2d0 c0t3d0 mirror c0t0d0s5 c0t1d0s5 Is this allowed? Is it stupid? Will performance be so bad/bizarre that it should be avoided at all costs? Anybody tried it? Yes, it's a

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS performance using slices vs. entire disk?

2006-08-03 Thread Eric Schrock
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 10:24:12AM -0700, Marion Hakanson wrote: > > zpool create mirror c0t2d0 c0t3d0 mirror c0t0d0s5 c0t1d0s5 > > Is this allowed? Is it stupid? Will performance be so bad/bizarre that > it should be avoided at all costs? Anybody tried it? > Yes, it's allowed, but it's de

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS performance using slices vs. entire disk?

2006-08-03 Thread Marion Hakanson
Folks, I realize this thread has run its course, but I've got a variant of the original question: What performance problems or anomalies might one see if mixing both whole disks _and_ slices within the same pool? I have in mind some Sun boxes (V440, T2000, X4200) with four internal drives. Typi

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS performance using slices vs. entire disk?

2006-08-03 Thread Joseph Mocker
Ahh, interesting information. Thanks folks, I'm have a better understanding of this now. --joe Jeff Bonwick wrote: is zfs any less efficient with just using a portion of a disk versus the entire disk? As others mentioned, if we're given a whole disk (i.e. no slice is specified) then we

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS performance using slices vs. entire disk?

2006-08-03 Thread Jasse Jansson
On Aug 3, 2006, at 5:14 PM, Darren Dunham wrote: And it's portable. If you use whole disks, you can export the pool from one machine and import it on another. There's no way to export just one slice and leave the others behind... I got the impression that the export command exported the con

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS performance using slices vs. entire disk?

2006-08-03 Thread Darren Dunham
> > And it's portable. If you use whole disks, you can export the > > pool from one machine and import it on another. There's no way > > to export just one slice and leave the others behind... > > I got the impression that the export command exported the contents > of the pool, not the underlyin

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS performance using slices vs. entire disk?

2006-08-03 Thread Rainer Orth
Robert Milkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Additionally keep in mind that outer region of a disk is much faster. > So if you want to put OS and then designate rest of the disk for > application then probably putting ZFS on a slice beginning on cyl 0 is > best in most scenarios. This has the a

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS performance using slices vs. entire disk?

2006-08-03 Thread Jasse Jansson
On Aug 3, 2006, at 8:17 AM, Jeff Bonwick wrote: ZFS will try to enable write cache if whole disks is given. Additionally keep in mind that outer region of a disk is much faster. And it's portable. If you use whole disks, you can export the pool from one machine and import it on another. Th

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS performance using slices vs. entire disk?

2006-08-03 Thread Jeff Bonwick
> With all of the talk about performance problems due to > ZFS doing a sync to force the drives to commit to data > being on disk, how much of a benefit is this - especially > for NFS? It depends. For some drives it's literally 10x. > Also, if I was lucky enough to have a working prestoserv > ca

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS performance using slices vs. entire disk?

2006-08-03 Thread Darren Reed
Jeff Bonwick wrote: is zfs any less efficient with just using a portion of a disk versus the entire disk? As others mentioned, if we're given a whole disk (i.e. no slice is specified) then we can safely enable the write cache. With all of the talk about performance problems due to ZF

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS performance using slices vs. entire disk?

2006-08-02 Thread Jeff Bonwick
> is zfs any less efficient with just using a portion of a > disk versus the entire disk? As others mentioned, if we're given a whole disk (i.e. no slice is specified) then we can safely enable the write cache. One other effect -- probably not huge -- is that the block placement algorithm is mos

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS performance using slices vs. entire disk?

2006-08-02 Thread Jeff Bonwick
> ZFS will try to enable write cache if whole disks is given. > > Additionally keep in mind that outer region of a disk is much faster. And it's portable. If you use whole disks, you can export the pool from one machine and import it on another. There's no way to export just one slice and leave

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS performance using slices vs. entire disk?

2006-08-02 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Joseph, Thursday, August 3, 2006, 2:02:28 AM, you wrote: JM> I know this is going to sound a little vague but... JM> A coworker said he read somewhere that ZFS is more efficient if you JM> configure pools from entire disks instead of just slices of disks. I'm JM> curious if there is any m

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS performance using slices vs. entire disk?

2006-08-02 Thread Torrey McMahon
Joseph Mocker wrote: I know this is going to sound a little vague but... A coworker said he read somewhere that ZFS is more efficient if you configure pools from entire disks instead of just slices of disks. I'm curious if there is any merit to this? If the entire disk is used in a zpool th

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS performance using slices vs. entire disk?

2006-08-02 Thread Rich Teer
On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Joseph Mocker wrote: > The use case that we had been discussing was something to the effect of > building a 2 disk system, install the OS on slice 0 of disk 0 and make the > rest of the disk available for 1/2 of a zfs mirror. Then disk 1 would probably > be partitioned the same

[zfs-discuss] ZFS performance using slices vs. entire disk?

2006-08-02 Thread Joseph Mocker
I know this is going to sound a little vague but... A coworker said he read somewhere that ZFS is more efficient if you configure pools from entire disks instead of just slices of disks. I'm curious if there is any merit to this? The use case that we had been discussing was something to the e