On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 04:41:56PM +1200, Ian Collins wrote:
But with ZFS, the layout is a simple matter of creating filesystems, not
slicing up drives. The filesystems are in a shared pool, so one doesn't
have to know how big a particular slice will grow.
Yes, we are agreeing on that part.
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 10:25:09PM -0500, Mike Gerdts wrote:
Really it boils down to lots of file systems to hold the OS adds
administrative complexity and rarely saves more work than it creates.
Some of us want to use different mount options on /var than on /.
That's why they need to be
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Gary Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 10:25:09PM -0500, Mike Gerdts wrote:
Really it boils down to lots of file systems to hold the OS adds
administrative complexity and rarely saves more work than it creates.
Some of us want to use
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008, Richard Elling wrote:
A side question though, my friends who run Windows,
Linux, or OSX don't seem to have this bias towards isolating
/var. Is this a purely Solaris phenomenon? If so, how do we
fix it?
In addition to the other answers given, I think another reason
why
On 6/23/08 7:45 PM, Richard Elling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the ability to have different policies for file systems
is pure goodness -- though you pay for it on the backup/
restore side.
And another reason why Automated Data Migration is the way to go. Backup
and replication schemes
Brian Hechinger wrote:
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 04:35:30PM +1200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We can only hope that ZFS boot will consign this never ending layout
argument to the dust of history.
The layout of disks and filesystems will always be a personal preference
and will never go
Mike Gerdts wrote:
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Rich Teer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why would one do that? Just keep an eye on the root pool and all is good.
The only good argument I have for separating out some of /var is for
boot environment management. I grew tired of
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Orvar Korvar
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wouldnt it be nice to break out all file systems in separate zfs file
systems? Then you could snapshot each file system individually. Just like
each user has his own filesystem, and I can snapshot that filesystem
Brian Hechinger wrote:
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 11:18:21AM -0600, Lori Alt wrote:
Sorry it's taken me so long to weigh in on this.
You're busy with important things, we'll forgive you. ;)
With zfs, we don't actually have to put /var in its own
slice. We can achieve the same
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Richard Elling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Brian Hechinger wrote:
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 11:18:21AM -0600, Lori Alt wrote:
Sorry it's taken me so long to weigh in on this.
You're busy with important things, we'll forgive you. ;)
With zfs, we don't
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 05:45:45PM -0700, Richard Elling wrote:
I think the ability to have different policies for file systems
is pure goodness -- though you pay for it on the backup/
restore side.
That's a price I for one am willing to pay. ;)
A side question though, my friends who run
Hi All,
the separating of /var is something that comes from the Unix
tradition. Much of the Unix tradition of systems administration is
based on making sure systems with many users remain stable and so
administrators are prepared to work to make the system more reliable.
Common
Maurice Castro wrote:
Hi All,
the separating of /var is something that comes from the Unix
tradition. Much of the Unix tradition of systems administration is
based on making sure systems with many users remain stable and so
administrators are prepared to work to make the system
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 8:06 PM, Brian Hechinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is not a purely Solaris phenomenon, this is a UNIX phenomenon.
People who run Linux or OSX (I can't speak for Windows users) tend to
be new to the game and feel that This 40/80/500GB disk will never
fill up and so
Mike Gerdts writes:
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 8:06 PM, Brian Hechinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is not a purely Solaris phenomenon, this is a UNIX phenomenon.
People who run Linux or OSX (I can't speak for Windows users) tend to
be new to the game and feel that This 40/80/500GB disk will
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008, Ellis, Mike wrote:
If SSD is coming fast and furious, being able to use compression, shared
free-space (quotas etc) to keep the boot-images small enough so they'll
fit and accommodate live-upgrade patching, will become increasingly
important.
Nathan Kroenert wrote:
I'd expect it's the old standard.
if /var/tmp is filled, and that's part of /, then bad things happen.
Such as? If you find a part of Solaris that cannot deal with a full
file system, then please (pretty please... with a cherry on top) file a
bug.
there are often
Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS root finally here in SNV90
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
Did you actually choose to keep / and /var combined? Is there any
THat's what I'd do...
reason to do that with a ZFS root since both are sharing the same pool
and so
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008, Richard Elling wrote:
Nathan Kroenert wrote:
I'd expect it's the old standard.
if /var/tmp is filled, and that's part of /, then bad things happen.
Such as? If you find a part of Solaris that cannot deal with a full
file system, then please (pretty please... with a
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008, Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
I expect that it matters when the filesystem gets filled up. The
functionality offered by /var/run would become quite broken if it was
full during boot. No nameservice. No daemon PID files. Doors
broken. Boo-Hoo.
/var/run is memory-resident,
Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008, Richard Elling wrote:
Nathan Kroenert wrote:
I'd expect it's the old standard.
if /var/tmp is filled, and that's part of /, then bad things happen.
Such as? If you find a part of Solaris that cannot deal with a full
file system,
So can I jumpstart and setup the ZFS root config?
Anyone have example profile?
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On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 02:30:51PM -0700, Vincent Fox wrote:
So can I jumpstart and setup the ZFS root config?
Anyone have example profile?
See TFM -
http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/boot/zfsbootFAQ/#jumpinstall
has been mentioned in the last day or so on list.
vh
Mads Toftum
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On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Rich Teer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why would one do that? Just keep an eye on the root pool and all is good.
The only good argument I have for separating out some of /var is for
boot environment management. I grew tired of repeating my arguments
and suggestions
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Henrik Johansson wrote:
Anyone knows what the deal with /export/home is? I though /home was
the default home directory in Solaris?
Nope, /export/home has always been the *physical* location for
users' home directories. They're usually automounted under /home,
though.
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On Jun 5, 2008, at 12:05 AM, Rich Teer wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Henrik Johansson wrote:
Anyone knows what the deal with /export/home is? I though /home was
the default home directory in Solaris?
Nope, /export/home has always been the *physical* location for
users' home directories.
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
Did you actually choose to keep / and /var combined? Is there any
THat's what I'd do...
reason to do that with a ZFS root since both are sharing the same pool
and so there is no longer any disk space advantage? If / and /var are
not combined
Rich Teer wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Bob Friesenhahn wrote
Did you actually choose to keep / and /var combined? Is there any
THat's what I'd do...
reason to do that with a ZFS root since both are sharing the same pool
and so there is no longer any disk space advantage? If / and
I'd expect it's the old standard.
if /var/tmp is filled, and that's part of /, then bad things happen.
there are often other places in /var that are writable by more than
root, and always the possibility that something barfs heavily into syslog.
Since the advent of reasonably sized disks, I
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Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS root finally here in SNV90
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Bob Friesenhahn wrote:
Did you actually choose to keep / and /var combined? Is there any
THat's what I'd do
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