Re: [zfs-discuss] carrying on [was: Legality and the future of zfs...]

2010-07-21 Thread Linder, Doug
Andrej Podzimek wrote: > 1) Btrfs does not have mature and user-friendly command-line > tools. AFAIK, you can only list your snapshots and subvolumes by > grep'ing the tree dump. ;-) I haven't looked closely at the btrfs commands recently, but from what I've seen, they're really amazingly

Re: [zfs-discuss] carrying on [was: Legality and the future of zfs...]

2010-07-19 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Pasi Kärkkäinen > > Redhat Fedora 13 includes BTRFS, but it's not used as a default (yet). > > RHEL6 beta also includes BTRFS support (tech preview), but again, > > Upcoming Ubuntu 10.10 will

Re: [zfs-discuss] carrying on [was: Legality and the future of zfs...]

2010-07-19 Thread Robert Milkowski
On 16/07/2010 23:57, Richard Elling wrote: On Jul 15, 2010, at 4:48 AM, BM wrote: 2. No community = stale outdated code. But there is a community. What is lacking is that Oracle, in their infinite wisdom, has stopped producing OpenSolaris developer binary releases. Not to be outdone

Re: [zfs-discuss] carrying on [was: Legality and the future of zfs...]

2010-07-19 Thread Frank Middleton
On 07/19/10 07:26, Andrej Podzimek wrote: I run ArchLinux with Btrfs and OpenSolaris with ZFS. I haven't had a serious issue with any of them so far. Moblin/Meego ships with btrfs by default. COW file system on a cell phone :-). Unsurprisingly for a read-mostly file system it seems pretty stab

Re: [zfs-discuss] carrying on [was: Legality and the future of zfs...]

2010-07-19 Thread Andrej Podzimek
Ubuntu always likes to be "on the edge" even if btrfs is far from being 'stable' I would not want to run a release that does this. Servers need stability and reliability. Btrfs is far from this. Well, it seems to me that this is a well-known and very popular „circle in proving“: A: XYZ is far

Re: [zfs-discuss] carrying on [was: Legality and the future of zfs...]

2010-07-19 Thread Dick Hoogendijk
On 19-7-2010 12:27, Anil Gulecha wrote: On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: Upcoming Ubuntu 10.10 will use BTRFS as a default. Though there was some discussion around this, I don't think the above is a given. The ubuntu devs would look at the status of the project, and dec

Re: [zfs-discuss] carrying on [was: Legality and the future of zfs...]

2010-07-19 Thread Anil Gulecha
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: > > Upcoming Ubuntu 10.10 will use BTRFS as a default. > Though there was some discussion around this, I don't think the above is a given. The ubuntu devs would look at the status of the project, and decide closer to the release. ~Anil PS

Re: [zfs-discuss] carrying on [was: Legality and the future of zfs...]

2010-07-19 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 12:57:40AM +0200, Richard Elling wrote: > > > Because of BTRFS for Linux, Linux's popularity itself and also thanks > > to the Oracle's help. > > BTRFS does not matter until it is a primary file system for a dominant > distribution. > From what I can tell, the dominant

[zfs-discuss] carrying on [was: Legality and the future of zfs...]

2010-07-18 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 15, 2010, at 4:48 AM, BM wrote: > On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Garrett D'Amore wrote: >> The *code* is probably not going away (even updates to the kernel). >> Even if the community dies, is killed, or commits OGB induced suicide. > > 1. You used correct word: "probably". The sun wi