Re: [zfs-discuss] non-ECC Systems and ZFS for home users (was: Please warn a home user against OpenSolaris under VirtualBox under WinXP ; ))

2010-09-26 Thread Erik Trimble
On 9/26/2010 8:06 AM, devsk wrote: On 9/23/2010 at 12:38 PM Erik Trimble wrote: | [snip] |If you don't really care about ultra-low-power, then there's absolutely |no excuse not to buy a USED server-class machine which is 1- or 2- |generations back. They're dirt cheap, readily available, | [sn

Re: [zfs-discuss] non-ECC Systems and ZFS for home users (was: Please warn a home user against OpenSolaris under VirtualBox under WinXP ; ))

2010-09-26 Thread devsk
> > > On 9/23/2010 at 12:38 PM Erik Trimble wrote: > > | [snip] > |If you don't really care about ultra-low-power, then > there's > absolutely > |no excuse not to buy a USED server-class machine > which is 1- or 2- > |generations back. They're dirt cheap, readily > available, > | [snip] > =

Re: [zfs-discuss] non-ECC Systems and ZFS for home users (was: Please warn a home user against OpenSolaris under VirtualBox under WinXP ; ))

2010-09-23 Thread R.G. Keen
> On 2010-Sep-24 00:58:47 +0800, "R.G. Keen" > wrote: > > But for me, the likelihood of > >making a setup or operating mistake in a virtual machine > >setup server is far outweighs the hardware cost to put > >another physical machine on the ground. > > The downsides are generally that it'll be

Re: [zfs-discuss] non-ECC Systems and ZFS for home users (was: Please warn a home user against OpenSolaris under VirtualBox under WinXP ; ))

2010-09-23 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2010-Sep-24 00:58:47 +0800, "R.G. Keen" wrote: >That may not be the best of all possible things to do >on a number of levels. But for me, the likelihood of >making a setup or operating mistake in a virtual machine >setup server is far outweighs the hardware cost to put >another physical machi

Re: [zfs-discuss] non-ECC Systems and ZFS for home users (was: Please warn a home user against OpenSolaris under VirtualBox under WinXP ; ))

2010-09-23 Thread Mike.
On 9/23/2010 at 12:38 PM Erik Trimble wrote: | [snip] |If you don't really care about ultra-low-power, then there's absolutely |no excuse not to buy a USED server-class machine which is 1- or 2- |generations back. They're dirt cheap, readily available, | [snip] = Anyone have

Re: [zfs-discuss] non-ECC Systems and ZFS for home users (was: Please warn a home user against OpenSolaris under VirtualBox under WinXP ; ))

2010-09-23 Thread Erik Trimble
[I'm deleting the whole thread, since this is a rehash of several discussions on this list previously - check out the archives, and search for "ECC RAM"] These days, for a "home" server, you really have only one choice to make: "How much power do I care that this thing uses?" If you are s

Re: [zfs-discuss] non-ECC Systems and ZFS for home users (was: Please warn a home user against OpenSolaris under VirtualBox under WinXP ; ))

2010-09-23 Thread R.G. Keen
I should clarify. I was addressing just the issue of virtualizing, not what the complete set of things to do to prevent data loss is. > 2010/9/19 R.G. Keen > > and last-generation hardware is very, very cheap. > Yes, of course, it is. But, actually, is that a true > statement? Yes, it is. Last

Re: [zfs-discuss] non-ECC Systems and ZFS for home users (was: Please warn a home user against OpenSolaris under VirtualBox under WinXP ; ))

2010-09-23 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Thu, September 23, 2010 01:33, Alexander Skwar wrote: > Hi. > > 2010/9/19 R.G. Keen > >> and last-generation hardware is very, very cheap. > > Yes, of course, it is. But, actually, is that a true statement? I've read > that it's *NOT* advisable to run ZFS on systems which do NOT have ECC > RAM

Re: [zfs-discuss] non-ECC Systems and ZFS for home users (was: Please warn a home user against OpenSolaris under VirtualBox under WinXP ; ))

2010-09-23 Thread Casper . Dik
> On 23-9-2010 10:25, casper@sun.com wrote: >> I'm using ZFS on a system w/o ECC; it works (it's an Atom 230). > >I'm using ZFS on a non-ECC machine for years now without any issues. >Never had errors. Plus, like others said, other OS'ses have the same >problems and also run quite well. If

Re: [zfs-discuss] non-ECC Systems and ZFS for home users (was: Please warn a home user against OpenSolaris under VirtualBox under WinXP ; ))

2010-09-23 Thread Dick Hoogendijk
On 23-9-2010 10:25, casper@sun.com wrote: I'm using ZFS on a system w/o ECC; it works (it's an Atom 230). I'm using ZFS on a non-ECC machine for years now without any issues. Never had errors. Plus, like others said, other OS'ses have the same problems and also run quite well. If not, yo

Re: [zfs-discuss] non-ECC Systems and ZFS for home users (was: Please warn a home user against OpenSolaris under VirtualBox under WinXP ; ))

2010-09-23 Thread Casper . Dik
I'm using ZFS on a system w/o ECC; it works (it's an Atom 230). Note that this is not different from using another OS; the difference is that ZFS will complain when memory leads to disk corruption; without ZFS you will still have memory corruption but you wouldn't know. Is it helpful not know

Re: [zfs-discuss] non-ECC Systems and ZFS for home users (was: Please warn a home user against OpenSolaris under VirtualBox under WinXP ; ))

2010-09-23 Thread Ian Collins
On 09/23/10 06:33 PM, Alexander Skwar wrote: Hi. 2010/9/19 R.G. Keen and last-generation hardware is very, very cheap. Yes, of course, it is. But, actually, is that a true statement? I've read that it's *NOT* advisable to run ZFS on systems which do NOT have ECC RAM. And those cheap

[zfs-discuss] non-ECC Systems and ZFS for home users (was: Please warn a home user against OpenSolaris under VirtualBox under WinXP ; ))

2010-09-22 Thread Alexander Skwar
Hi. 2010/9/19 R.G. Keen > and last-generation hardware is very, very cheap. Yes, of course, it is. But, actually, is that a true statement? I've read that it's *NOT* advisable to run ZFS on systems which do NOT have ECC RAM. And those cheapo last-gen hardware boxes quite often don't have ECC, d