Re: [zfs-discuss] vdev failure -> pool loss ?

2010-10-22 Thread Haudy Kazemi
Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Tue, 19 Oct 2010, Cindy Swearingen wrote: unless you use copies=2 or 3, in which case your data is still safe for those datasets that have this option set. This advice is a little too optimistic. Increasing the copies property value on datasets might help in some fai

Re: [zfs-discuss] vdev failure -> pool loss ?

2010-10-20 Thread Tuomas Leikola
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:50 AM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > On Tue, 19 Oct 2010, Cindy Swearingen wrote: >>> >>> unless you use copies=2 or 3, in which case your data is still safe >>> for those datasets that have this option set. >> >> This advice is a little too optimistic. Increasing the copies p

Re: [zfs-discuss] vdev failure -> pool loss ?

2010-10-19 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010, Cindy Swearingen wrote: unless you use copies=2 or 3, in which case your data is still safe for those datasets that have this option set. This advice is a little too optimistic. Increasing the copies property value on datasets might help in some failure scenarios, but prob

Re: [zfs-discuss] vdev failure -> pool loss ?

2010-10-19 Thread Ross Walker
On Oct 19, 2010, at 4:33 PM, Tuomas Leikola wrote: > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Simon Breden wrote: >> So are we all agreed then, that a vdev failure will cause pool loss ? >> -- > > unless you use copies=2 or 3, in which case your data is still safe > for those datasets that have this op

Re: [zfs-discuss] vdev failure -> pool loss ?

2010-10-19 Thread Cindy Swearingen
On 10/19/10 14:33, Tuomas Leikola wrote: On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Simon Breden wrote: So are we all agreed then, that a vdev failure will cause pool loss ? -- unless you use copies=2 or 3, in which case your data is still safe for those datasets that have this option set. This adv

Re: [zfs-discuss] vdev failure -> pool loss ?

2010-10-19 Thread taemun
Tuomas: My understanding is that the "copies" functionality doesn't guarantee that the extra copies will be kept on a different vdev. So that isn't entirely true. Unfortunately. On 20 October 2010 07:33, Tuomas Leikola wrote: > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Simon Breden wrote: > > So are we

Re: [zfs-discuss] vdev failure -> pool loss ?

2010-10-19 Thread Tuomas Leikola
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Simon Breden wrote: > So are we all agreed then, that a vdev failure will cause pool loss ? > -- unless you use copies=2 or 3, in which case your data is still safe for those datasets that have this option set. -- - Tuomas

Re: [zfs-discuss] vdev failure -> pool loss ?

2010-10-18 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Simon Breden > > So are we all agreed then, that a vdev failure will cause pool loss ? Yes. When I said you could mirror a raidzN vdev, it was based on nothing more credible than assumption b

Re: [zfs-discuss] vdev failure -> pool loss ?

2010-10-18 Thread Maurice Volaski
A workaround is to create two pools each with your 1 vdev, make zvols for each of them and export them via iscsi through the localhost interface. Then make a third mirrored pool out of those two iscsi'ed zvols. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org _

Re: [zfs-discuss] vdev failure -> pool loss ?

2010-10-18 Thread Simon Breden
So are we all agreed then, that a vdev failure will cause pool loss ? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] vdev failure -> pool loss ?

2010-10-18 Thread Freddie Cash
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Darren J Moffat wrote: > On 18/10/2010 16:48, Freddie Cash wrote: >> >> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 6:34 AM, Edward Ned Harvey >>  wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Freddie Cash >>

Re: [zfs-discuss] vdev failure -> pool loss ?

2010-10-18 Thread Darren J Moffat
On 18/10/2010 16:48, Freddie Cash wrote: On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 6:34 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Freddie Cash If you lose 1 vdev, you lose the pool. As long as 1 vdev is striped and not mir

Re: [zfs-discuss] vdev failure -> pool loss ?

2010-10-18 Thread Freddie Cash
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 6:34 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: >> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- >> boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Freddie Cash >> >> If you lose 1 vdev, you lose the pool. > > As long as 1 vdev is striped and not mirrored, that's true. > You can o

Re: [zfs-discuss] vdev failure -> pool loss ?

2010-10-18 Thread Darren J Moffat
On 18/10/2010 15:12, Peter Tribble wrote: On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Freddie Cash If you lose 1 vdev, you lose the pool. As long as 1 vdev is striped and not mi

Re: [zfs-discuss] vdev failure -> pool loss ?

2010-10-18 Thread Peter Tribble
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: >> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- >> boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Freddie Cash >> >> If you lose 1 vdev, you lose the pool. > > As long as 1 vdev is striped and not mirrored, that's true. > You can o

Re: [zfs-discuss] vdev failure -> pool loss ?

2010-10-18 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Freddie Cash > > If you lose 1 vdev, you lose the pool. As long as 1 vdev is striped and not mirrored, that's true. You can only afford to lose a vdev, if your vdev itself is mirrored. You co

Re: [zfs-discuss] vdev failure -> pool loss ?

2010-10-18 Thread Simon Breden
OK, thanks Freddie, that's pretty clear. Cheers, Simon -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] vdev failure -> pool loss ?

2010-10-17 Thread Freddie Cash
On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Simon Breden wrote: > OK, thanks Ian. > > Another example: > > Would you lose all pool data if you had two vdevs: (1) a RAID-Z2 vdev and (2) > a two drive mirror vdev, and three drives in the RAID-Z2 vdev failed? If you lose 1 vdev, you lose the pool. Doesn't m

Re: [zfs-discuss] vdev failure -> pool loss ?

2010-10-17 Thread Simon Breden
OK, thanks Ian. Another example: Would you lose all pool data if you had two vdevs: (1) a RAID-Z2 vdev and (2) a two drive mirror vdev, and three drives in the RAID-Z2 vdev failed? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing li

Re: [zfs-discuss] vdev failure -> pool loss ?

2010-10-17 Thread Ian Collins
On 10/18/10 06:28 AM, Simon Breden wrote: I would just like to confirm or not whether a vdev failure would lead to failure of the whole pool or not. For example, if I created a pool from two RAID-Z2 vdevs, and three drives fail within the first vdev, is all the data within the whole pool unrec

[zfs-discuss] vdev failure -> pool loss ?

2010-10-17 Thread Simon Breden
I would just like to confirm or not whether a vdev failure would lead to failure of the whole pool or not. For example, if I created a pool from two RAID-Z2 vdevs, and three drives fail within the first vdev, is all the data within the whole pool unrecoverable? -- This message posted from opens