Re: [zfs-discuss] [ZIL device brainstorm] intel x25-M G2 has ram cache?

2010-05-25 Thread Karl Pielorz
--On 25 May 2010 11:15 -0700 Brandon High wrote: On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 2:08 AM, Karl Pielorz wrote: I've tried contacting Intel to find out if it's true their "enterprise" SSD has no cache protection on it, and what the effect of turning the write The "E" in X25-E does not mean "enterpri

Re: [zfs-discuss] [ZIL device brainstorm] intel x25-M G2 has ram cache?

2010-05-25 Thread Brandon High
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 2:08 AM, Karl Pielorz wrote: > I've tried contacting Intel to find out if it's true their "enterprise" SSD > has no cache protection on it, and what the effect of turning the write The "E" in X25-E does not mean "enterprise". It means "extreme". Like the "EE" series CPUs t

Re: [zfs-discuss] [ZIL device brainstorm] intel x25-M G2 has ram cache?

2010-05-25 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 25 May 2010, Karl Pielorz wrote: The X25-E's do apparently honour the 'Disable Write Cache' command - without write cache, there is no cache to flush - all data is written to flash immediately - presumably before it's ACK'd to the host. There is always a cache, even if it is just a 4

Re: [zfs-discuss] [ZIL device brainstorm] intel x25-M G2 has ram cache?

2010-05-25 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 01:52:47PM +0100, Karl Pielorz wrote: > > --On 25 May 2010 15:28 +0300 Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: > >>> I've tried contacting Intel to find out if it's true their "enterprise" >>> SSD has no cache protection on it, and what the effect of turning the >>> write cache off would ha

Re: [zfs-discuss] [ZIL device brainstorm] intel x25-M G2 has ram cache?

2010-05-25 Thread Karl Pielorz
--On 25 May 2010 15:28 +0300 Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: I've tried contacting Intel to find out if it's true their "enterprise" SSD has no cache protection on it, and what the effect of turning the write cache off would have on both performance and write endurance, but not heard anything back yet.

Re: [zfs-discuss] [ZIL device brainstorm] intel x25-M G2 has ram cache?

2010-05-25 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:08:57AM +0100, Karl Pielorz wrote: > > > --On 24 May 2010 23:41 -0400 rwali...@washdcmail.com wrote: > >> I haven't seen where anyone has tested this, but the MemoRight SSD (sold >> by RocketDisk in the US) seems to claim all the right things: >> >> http://www.rocketdisk.

Re: [zfs-discuss] [ZIL device brainstorm] intel x25-M G2 has ram cache?

2010-05-25 Thread Karl Pielorz
--On 24 May 2010 23:41 -0400 rwali...@washdcmail.com wrote: I haven't seen where anyone has tested this, but the MemoRight SSD (sold by RocketDisk in the US) seems to claim all the right things: http://www.rocketdisk.com/vProduct.aspx?ID=1 pdf specs: http://www.rocketdisk.com/Local/Files/Pr

Re: [zfs-discuss] [ZIL device brainstorm] intel x25-M G2 has ram cache?

2010-05-24 Thread Fred Liu
Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] [ZIL device brainstorm] intel x25-M G2 has ram cache? On May 24, 2010, at 4:28 AM, Erik Trimble wrote: > yes, both the X25-M (both G1 and G2) plus the X25-E have a DRAM buffer on the > controller, and neither has a supercapacitor (or other battery) to back it &g

Re: [zfs-discuss] [ZIL device brainstorm] intel x25-M G2 has ram cache?

2010-05-24 Thread rwalists
On May 24, 2010, at 4:28 AM, Erik Trimble wrote: > yes, both the X25-M (both G1 and G2) plus the X25-E have a DRAM buffer on the > controller, and neither has a supercapacitor (or other battery) to back it > up, so there is the potential for data loss (but /not/ data corruption) in a > power-lo

Re: [zfs-discuss] [ZIL device brainstorm] intel x25-M G2 has ram cache?

2010-05-24 Thread Fred Liu
-discuss] [ZIL device brainstorm] intel x25-M G2 has ram cache? > What you probably want is a motherboard which has a small area of main > memory protected by battery, and a ramdisk driver which knows how to use it. > Then you'd get the 1,000,000 IOPS. No idea if anyone makes such a thing

Re: [zfs-discuss] [ZIL device brainstorm] intel x25-M G2 has ram cache?

2010-05-24 Thread Fred Liu
brainstorm] intel x25-M G2 has ram cache? Erik Trimble wrote: Frankly, I'm really surprised that there's no solution, given that the *amount* of NVRAM needed for ZIL (or similar usage) is really quite small. a dozen GB is more than sufficient, and really, most systems do fine with just a co

Re: [zfs-discuss] [ZIL device brainstorm] intel x25-M G2 has ram cache?

2010-05-24 Thread J.P. King
What you probably want is a motherboard which has a small area of main memory protected by battery, and a ramdisk driver which knows how to use it. Then you'd get the 1,000,000 IOPS. No idea if anyone makes such a thing. You are correct that ZFS gets an enormous benefit from even tiny amounts i

Re: [zfs-discuss] [ZIL device brainstorm] intel x25-M G2 has ram cache?

2010-05-24 Thread Andrew Gabriel
Erik Trimble wrote: Frankly, I'm really surprised that there's no solution, given that the *amount* of NVRAM needed for ZIL (or similar usage) is really quite small. a dozen GB is more than sufficient, and really, most systems do fine with just a couple of GB (3-4 or so).  Producing a small

Re: [zfs-discuss] [ZIL device brainstorm] intel x25-M G2 has ram cache?

2010-05-24 Thread Fred Liu
From: Erik Trimble [mailto:erik.trim...@oracle.com] Sent: 星期一, 五月 24, 2010 16:28 To: Fred Liu Cc: ZFS Discussions Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] [ZIL device brainstorm] intel x25-M G2 has ram cache? On 5/23/2010 11:30 PM, Fred Liu wrote: Hi, I have hit the synchronous NFS writing wall just like

Re: [zfs-discuss] [ZIL device brainstorm] intel x25-M G2 has ram cache?

2010-05-24 Thread Erik Trimble
On 5/23/2010 11:30 PM, Fred Liu wrote: Hi, I have hit the synchronous NFS writing wall just like many people do. There also have lots of discussion about the solutions here. I want to post all of my exploring fighting done recently to discuss and share: 1): using the normal SATA-SSDs(intel