Re: [ZION] demonizing the media

2002-10-25 Thread Clifford M Dubery
I would imagine it is common sense and an attempt to preserve sources on the part of the local and national media. Unlike Australia or the UK and possibly Canada, the Police Commissioner can't declare a story media free, so to speak, I can't think of the act they use, but it has blanket applica

[ZION] demonizing the media

2002-10-25 Thread Marc A. Schindler
We like to demonize the media, but there appears to have been unprededented cooperation between the media and the police in the Washington sniper case. What do people think about this? Is it self-censorhsip or just common sense? -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the

[ZION] James Ossuary

2002-10-25 Thread Marc A. Schindler
It looks like North Americans will ge their first chance to see the ossuary at the Royal Ontario Museum in Toronto: <<http://www.globeandmail.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/front/RTGAM/20021025/wxromm25/Front/homeBN/breakingnews>> -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Ga

[ZION] Patriotism

2002-10-25 Thread Marc A. Schindler
>From a liberal sourc sent to me by left-wing (non-LDS) uncle. Some interesting points nevertheless: VISITING TEACHING CONFERENCE Tonight at 7pm WE INVITE ALL VISITING TEACHERS TO PLEASE ATTEND THIS VERY IMPORTANT MEETING. -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Bor

[ZION] What is patriotism?

2002-10-25 Thread Marc A. Schindler
>From www.straighthoofd.com, a left-wing e-zine: (make of it what you will; I post it because it does make some good points despite its ideological assumptions) America armed with patriotism Dateline: Friday, October 11, 2002 Commentar

RE: [ZION] Secret societies

2002-10-25 Thread Stephen Beecroft
At the risk of belaboring the obvious, let me point out that under the definitions and descriptions given in these encyclopedia entries John has mentioned, the Church, and specifically the works of the temple, would undoubtedly qualify as a secret society. (Of course, I consider it no such thin

[ZION] From Canadian Encyclopedia

2002-10-25 Thread John W. Redelfs
Secret Societies Secret Societies are sometimes seen as religious, philosophical or spiritual sects that confer upon their initiates a certain mystery; the mystery is patiently and meticulously maintained and gradually made accessible, in succeeding stages, through the performance of secret rit

[ZION] Secret Societies

2002-10-25 Thread John W. Redelfs
I found this interesting. I thought that some others here might also. --- SECRET SOCIETY secret society, organization of initiated persons whose members, purposes, and rituals are kept secret. Human groups throughout history have maintained secret societies. The ceremonies of initiation into s

Re: [ZION] The Jerusalem Temple

2002-10-25 Thread Paul Osborne
Concerning this event, Wilford Woodruff said in 1855: “When the Gentiles reject the Gospel it will be taken from them, and go to the House of Israel, to that long-suffering people that are now scattered abroad through all the nations upon the earth, … and they will rebuild Jerusalem their ancient c

Re: [ZION] Jerusalem temple

2002-10-25 Thread Paul Osborne
>He stated that Mormons >would probably help the Jews build the temple, because we are one of the >few peoples on earth who still have that skill/capability. My Institute >director was on that trip, Brother Perritt, so I got it first hand. This is shop talk and it means nothing. If the Jews reall

Re: [ZION] Jerusalem temple

2002-10-25 Thread Paul Osborne
>I have two thoughts on this, somewhat differing in scope. >First, I believe the Lord could allow the Jews to rebuild a temple, based >on the Mosaic/Terrestrial Law. It would not have all the power and >blessings of a temple built on the laws of the Celestial Kingdom and >Melchizedek Priesthood. It

Re: [ZION] ah, relief!

2002-10-25 Thread Sandy and Melinda Rabinowitz
CNN now reports as breaking news (16:20 CDT): Montgomery County, Maryland, to charge sniper suspects John Muhammad, John Malvo with six counts of murder; Malvo to be tried as adult. Details to come. Dan R Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

RE: [ZION] High Priest

2002-10-25 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Gary- > And I've done some research and determined that those who > mentioned previously that [bishop] is a position in the > Aaronic Priesthood are partially incorrect. I don't recall anyone saying it was a position in the Aaronic Priesthood; rather, they said it was an office in the Aaronic P

RE: [ZION] High Priests

2002-10-25 Thread Scott McGee
On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 07:09:09 -0400, "Elmer L. Fairbank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > At 03:13 10/25/2002 +, St Stephen wrote: > > >Perhaps you should tell Elders Maxwell, Nelson, and Hilbig about Occam's > >razor, so they can get their acts together. > > What's a razor? Till, a razor is that

[ZION] High Priest

2002-10-25 Thread Gary Smith
The keys stay with the position, not with the person. An elder's quorum president, once released, is an elder. Same with a stake president being a high priest. However, a bishop remains a bishop, just without the active keys. It is not just a position, but an office in the priesthood. And I've done

[ZION] High Priests have money

2002-10-25 Thread Gary Smith
Yes, I know that Nibley says it is a free lunch, but he also says we still must work. What I was meaning, is that there are laws of work governing worldly wealth. The person who works hard and smart tends to live a more comfortable life than someone who is sloth or not so wise in their dealings wit

[ZION] Figure the Odds

2002-10-25 Thread Gary Smith
This morning, the chief of police of Montgomery Alabama signed out a warrant for the two snipers. They passed through here in Sept and shot two women working at a state liquor store, killing one of them. A police officer who chased them got a great look at Mohammed, and immediately picked him out o

[ZION] James' Ossuary

2002-10-25 Thread Gary Smith
I just received my Nov/Dec Biblical Archaeology Review magazine in the mail. I'll read it over the next day or so and let you know what it says in more detail than the news reports have given. K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html "

[ZION] Jerusalem temple

2002-10-25 Thread Gary Smith
I have two thoughts on this, somewhat differing in scope. First, I believe the Lord could allow the Jews to rebuild a temple, based on the Mosaic/Terrestrial Law. It would not have all the power and blessings of a temple built on the laws of the Celestial Kingdom and Melchizedek Priesthood. It woul

[ZION] The Jerusalem Temple

2002-10-25 Thread Gary Smith
There's been quite a bit of excavation done on Mt Moriah over the past decade. There are scholars who are convinced they know where the Holy of Holies for Herod's temple was by excavations going under the mount. Most scholars reading the temple scroll today believe that the Essenes (or whoever gro

Re: [ZION] The Jerusalem Temple

2002-10-25 Thread Scott McGee
On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:10:37 -0500, "Paul Osborne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >We know that a temple will be built in Jerusalem before the Second > >Coming. > >Question: will the temple in Jerusalem have to be built > >and dedicated under the authority and supervision of the Melchizedek > >prie

Re: [ZION] James' Ossuary

2002-10-25 Thread Scott McGee
On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 07:56:37 -0400, "Elmer L. Fairbank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > At 20:33 10/23/2002 -0800, BLT wrote: > > >Maybe with satellite technology they will eventually solve the riddle of > >the Ark > >who knows what they might find? > > > Maybe even that pen I set down somewhere a

Re: [ZION] ah, relief!

2002-10-25 Thread Dan R Allen
Sandy: On top of all this, Alabama can file its own capital murder charge in connection with the robbery that happened there. /Sandy/ Dan: Apparently they already have, and I've read elsewhere that this makes them the first jurisdiction to do so. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/ma

Re: [ZION] High Priests

2002-10-25 Thread Paul Osborne
Mark >Several of the Brethren have stated that since the Nephites were not Levites they never >did have the Aaronic priesthood even when under the law of Moses. Therefore, so >state these same Brethren, the Nephites always only had the Melchizedek priesthood. >They further state (IIRC) that they

RE: [ZION] High Priests

2002-10-25 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Mark- > Moroni talks about teachers and priests. This is several > hundred years after Christ, so the Nephites had the Melchizedek > priesthood at that time and were not under the law of Moses. True enough. I was referring to earlier, pre-Resurrection references to teachers and priests. But you

RE: [ZION] High Priests

2002-10-25 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Tilly- > What's a razor? He's the guy whut grows the crops. Stephen / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// //

RE: [ZION] High Priests

2002-10-25 Thread Mark Gregson
- Stephen - Though this is off the main thread, it's an interesting side thread. I don't agree that "teacher" was a Melchizedek Priesthood office for the Nephites; the Melchizedek Priesthood was not generally held among the Jews, so I don't see why it would have been generally held among the N

Re: [ZION] ah, relief!

2002-10-25 Thread Sandy and Melinda Rabinowitz
Paul Osborne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>[Heidi Page] I'm so relieved that those two men have >>been arrested and it appears that >>these are the guys! What an answer to prayers! > >Now all they have to look forward to is long legal proceedings and jail >time. They will never see the light of da

Re: [ZION] ah, relief!

2002-10-25 Thread Paul Osborne
>I'm so relieved that those two men have been arrested and it appears that >these are the guys! What an answer to prayers! Now all they have to look forward to is long legal proceedings and jail time. They will never see the light of day. They will have a tough time in the prison system and will

[ZION] ah, relief!

2002-10-25 Thread hkpage
I'm so relieved that those two men have been arrested and it appears that these are the guys! What an answer to prayers! Heidi the fair (who is feeling like a huge burden has been lifted from my mind) Heidi Page [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [ZION] High Priests

2002-10-25 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 03:13 10/25/2002 +, St Stephen wrote: Perhaps you should tell Elders Maxwell, Nelson, and Hilbig about Occam's razor, so they can get their acts together. What's a razor? Till / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Pleas

Re: [ZION] The Jerusalem Temple

2002-10-25 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 12:46 10/24/2002 -0700, Uncle Dan wrote: We might be in for a surprise here. The key, I think, is in the actual consecration of the temple. The Jews will probably build it, as a temple, but it won't actually meet the Lord's requirements until consecrated by His church. Consider that you can rec

Re: [ZION] Definition of "liberal"

2002-10-25 Thread Cousin Bill
At some point in the past, Gary wrote: > here's a stump question: Can anyone tell me the name of the Democratic > Georgia Senator who tends to vote frequently with the Republicans and > Bush? (I know the answer, and I can tell you that if there were more > guys in the Democratic party like him- w