[ZION] A Disturbing Contradiction

2002-10-26 Thread John W. Redelfs
I don't believe there is any inconsistency or contradiction in Church doctrine on the matter, but am becoming increasingly disturbed by what I see as a growing inconsistency in the minds of the saints over the relative merits of apostate religions and true Christianity as only practised by the

Re: [ZION] Jerusalem temple

2002-10-26 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 08:44 PM, Saturday, 10/26/02, Gary Smith wrote: According to Alma 29:8 and also Brigham Young, Pres Kimball and others, there are many people called of God in other belief systems to teach a level of truth. Those who teach a terrestrial law are doing so under inspiration of the Light of Christ

Re: [ZION] What is patriotism?

2002-10-26 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 09:18 PM, Saturday, 10/26/02, Gary Smith wrote: Should cost only be counted in body bags? What is the total value of freedom from terror, or to maintain our sovereignty? Ten body bags? Twenty? One hundred? Or should we just curl up in a corner and accept the idea that no amount of body bags are

Re: [ZION] What is patriotism?

2002-10-26 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 09:18 PM, Saturday, 10/26/02, Gary Smith wrote: there is more freedom in an American jail than on the streets of Moscow I've been on the web for over an hour trying to confirm this Cleaver quote, and I cannot find it. Do you have a reference? --JWR

Re: [ZION] Jerusalem temple

2002-10-26 Thread Paul Osborne
>The Levites were given the Aaronic Priesthood as a hereditary position. >They have a right to serve in that level of truth they have. They do not >have all the saving truths or ordinances, but a temple built upon the >Mosaic law would probably be accepted by God IF they were truly dedicated >to a

Re: [ZION] Jerusalem temple

2002-10-26 Thread Paul Osborne
>You have to remember that this is a terrestrial/Mosaic temple, NOT a >celestial/MP temple. We could help them build it so they could perform >their ordinances... >However, the Jews >still await the Messiah, and so are still under the Mosaic Law. Their >temple would sacrifice animals, and if they

Re: [ZION] The Jerusalem Temple

2002-10-26 Thread Paul Osborne
>Wrong. It is not anti-Christ. Most Jewish religions now see Christ as a >righteous man who taught good. They respect him as a teacher of >righteousness. They just do not accept him as Messiah. >Anti-Christ is a person/group that actively teaches against Christ and >his righteousness. See Moroni 7

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

2002-10-26 Thread Paul Osborne
Grampa Bill responds: >I know of one SP who was a mechanic until his business went bust >just before his call, He then sold house trailers for a while but was >terminated because of too few sales. After a period of unemployment he >want to work as a machinist for the county. >I know of another w

Re: [ZION] What is patriotism?

2002-10-26 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 09:18 PM, Saturday, 10/26/02, Gary Smith wrote: This is the problem with many liberal writers-they make statements from the heart, regardless of whether they back up their statements with facts, or if those facts are correct. First off, the president has shown himself not to be a "mental light

Re: [ZION] The Jerusalem Temple

2002-10-26 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 09:24 PM, Saturday, 10/26/02, Gary Smith wrote: Wrong. It is not anti-Christ. Most Jewish religions now see Christ as a righteous man who taught good. They respect him as a teacher of righteousness. They just do not accept him as Messiah. Anti-Christ is a person/group that actively teaches agai

RE: [ZION] Quorum Brotherhood

2002-10-26 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-John- > Play more, work less. And when you play, make sure it is a joint > outing between you and your wife and children, and those of > another elder in the quorum. Invite another elder with his > family to your house for dinner, or if that is too much work, > just invite them for a two family

RE: [ZION] What is patriotism?

2002-10-26 Thread Stephen Beecroft
Gary, I agree with almost every point you've made here. So as not to make this solely a me-too post, let me add that when a writer (US citizen or alien) makes a statement like, "I love America but I hate Republicanism", that writer has shown himself to be duplicitous and untrustworthy. Any "goo

[ZION] Ah relief!

2002-10-26 Thread Gary Smith
I've been listening closely to the local news casts. We've had the mayor and chief of police give several local briefings on what's happening. A police officer actually chased Mohammed on the night that he shot a clerk at the state liquor store here (about 5 miles from my house). He immediately pic

[ZION] demonizing the media

2002-10-26 Thread Gary Smith
I think the media should use some self-censorship on occasion. It gets too easy to destroy peoples' lives over small things. Imagine how WWII would have gone if the media would have spent their time telling our troop movements, or about FDR's extra-marital affairs, or his illness? In the case at h

[ZION] What is patriotism?

2002-10-26 Thread Gary Smith
This is the problem with many liberal writers-they make statements from the heart, regardless of whether they back up their statements with facts, or if those facts are correct. First off, the president has shown himself not to be a "mental lightweight." Second, where is the evidence that Cheney is

[ZION] The Jerusalem Temple

2002-10-26 Thread Gary Smith
Wrong. It is not anti-Christ. Most Jewish religions now see Christ as a righteous man who taught good. They respect him as a teacher of righteousness. They just do not accept him as Messiah. Anti-Christ is a person/group that actively teaches against Christ and his righteousness. See Moroni 7 for a

[ZION] Jerusalem temple

2002-10-26 Thread Gary Smith
According to Alma 29:8 and also Brigham Young, Pres Kimball and others, there are many people called of God in other belief systems to teach a level of truth. Those who teach a terrestrial law are doing so under inspiration of the Light of Christ (and the Holy Ghost). Their calling to preach and wo

[ZION] High Priests

2002-10-26 Thread Gary Smith
According to Elder McConkie, the Nephites didn't have the Aaronic priesthood, since at the time it was limited to the Levites. Hence, all their ordinations were to the Melchizedek Priesthood. K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html "N

[ZION] Calling of Branch Presidents

2002-10-26 Thread Bob Allen
I was called as Branch President with only one year as a councilor. I had not been a leader in the branch for three years prior to being called as a councilor. I did serve 10 years earlier for 7 years as clerk. There were many high priest in the Branch, a previous Bishop who was sure he woul

Re: [ZION] James' Ossuary

2002-10-26 Thread Grampa Bill
Gary Smith wrote: It fits. So there is a high possibility of this being authentic and in the right timeframe. But imagine having the bones of James! == Grampa Bill comments: But the ossuary is empty... as we would expect if James has been resurrected! Highly likely

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

2002-10-26 Thread Grampa Bill
Paul Osborne wrote: I was referring to Stake President and up. They have money and prestige. There are plenty of talented yet poor High Priests who never get the call because they don't have money. Money is a prerequisite to those callings. === Grampa Bill responds:

[ZION] The Four Ancient Nations

2002-10-26 Thread John W. Redelfs
http://library.thinkquest.org/22584/emh1100.htm?tqskip1=1&tqtime=1026 I found this statement while surging the web. Can anyone here tell me if it is accurate? "In the Nile in Africa, the Tigris and Euphrates in western Asia, the Indus and then the Ganges in south-central Asia, and the Hwang Ho

[ZION] Who is the House of Israel?

2002-10-26 Thread John W. Redelfs
At 08:29 AM, Saturday, 10/26/02, Noel Bennion wrote: Perhaps you could help me out a little here with the answers to several questions: 1) Who are the Gentiles? 2) Who is the house of Israel? 3) What does the fulness of the Gentiles mean? Well, that is really the problem. Each of these term

Re: [ZION] The Jerusalem Temple

2002-10-26 Thread Noel Bennion
Perhaps you could help me out a little here with the answers to several questions: 1) Who are the Gentiles? 2) Who is the house of Israel? 3) What does the fulness of the Gentiles mean? Thanks, newbie ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, October

Re: [ZION] Jerusalem temple

2002-10-26 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 04:58 PM 10/25/2002, Paul wrote: I don't believe the Jews could build a temple unto the Lord. If the Catholics can't do it, neither can the Jews. Don't you believe Elder McConkie when he said the temple would be built by the Church? Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personally, I don't know how the t