RE: [ZION] "Social" Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

If Satan can't intimidate or bully us with physical trials, he'll often try to fool us with substitute issues and programs. He would like us to invest our time, talents, and energy in causes that are not the cause of Zion, in the hope they may ultimately replace our commitment to the gospel. O

[ZION] "Social" Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)

-Jim- > In my experience it is common to find "social" mormons with a > misplaced sense of loyalty to such matters. They identify more > strongly with sociopolitical ideology than with their faith in > Christ. Funny you should write this, Jim. Just today, I was bathing in raw sewage, er, that is

Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam

There are other sections of the Qur'an, it is true, that tell the soldiers to slaughter unbelievers, but when one talks to most Muslims they claim that this was during the first wars in self-defense from Christian and Jewish opposition and that this has not always held true. At times Christian

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

We visited my brother-in-law in St. George, just south of you, in February 2000, and they had to turn the air-conditioning on at night for us. I am not making this up. Steven Montgomery wrote: > At least when the temperature gets cold here (Cedar City area) in February > I can jump in the car an

Re: [ZION] Liberal dems unveil...

Jim Cobabe wrote: > It is further obvious to me that some onlookers to the political scene > lack the discernment to note that good and honest people cannot in good > conscience affiliate, without serious reservations, with either of the > major political groups in this country. I have every co

Re: [ZION] Governing the least

I'll agree with those sentiments. Stacy. At 08:50 PM 11/09/2002 -0600, you wrote: Gary, I'm glad you cope so well on this earth. I want it to be as easy as possible and I want the least amount of trials too but that doesn't seem to be my lot. If life as a god is not as happy as I expect it sho

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

No, I'm the one who said we should write in Hinckley. Stacy. At 07:59 PM 11/09/2002 -0700, you wrote: This from the guy who wants to elect President Hinckley and curse with him a politician's job? ;-) Paul Osborne wrote: > Jon wisely said: > >Those who want to fault the US for what we >

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

Well, you're a pretty good student of the war, that's for sure. Steven Montgomery wrote: > At 08:12 PM 11/9/2002, Marc wrote: > > >Hmm, which reminds me of my other trivia question that I'm not sure I phrased > >properly. I was trying to bring out that the French fleet had been taken to > >French

Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam

Why doesn't he count? He claims as a Muslim he didn't hate Jews either, only the way modern Israel came into being. I'll name another one who claims to have loved all people. He even married a Christian woman while he was Muslim, namely my sister. He is from Turkey. His name is Tahir Sozut

Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam

That's the problem with universal statements. They're like balloons -- it only takes one pin to burst them. Paul Osborne wrote: > >Muhammad Karim, ex-Muslim and Christian. He only disapproves of the way > > >that modern Israel as a nation came into existence. > > He doesn't count. > > Paul O > [

Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam

No, they're "beni Israel" (the title of one of the Suras of the Qur'an), meaning by way of connotation that they, along with Christians, are "children of the Book" and are to be treated with respect. It's not just Christians who are hypocrites and misread their own scriptures. True infidels are act

[ZION] Iraq: what's next?

I'm afraid Richard Butler, an Australian member of the last UN inspection team, is right: the Iraqi reaction to the UN Security Council resolution on arms inspection is liable to be wishy-washy. What will the US response be? http://my.netscape.com/corewidgets/news/story.psp?cat=50600&id=20021109211

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

At least when the temperature gets cold here (Cedar City area) in February I can jump in the car and in 40 minutes be in short sleeve weather. -- Steven Montgomery At 08:19 PM 11/9/2002, you wrote: Yet another week in Moose Jaw, but in early February this time. Maybe we'll allow a side-trip to

RE: [ZION] Liberal dems unveil...

It is further obvious to me that some onlookers to the political scene lack the discernment to note that good and honest people cannot in good conscience affiliate, without serious reservations, with either of the major political groups in this country. I have every confidence that noted Chur

Re: [ZION] Liberal dems unveil...

Actually I've pondered the possibility of running as a democrat in the next State House election. The incumbent who just got reelected ran unopposed, there was no challenger from the Democratic Party. -- Steven Montgomery At 08:18 PM 11/9/2002, you wrote: Not so far to the left that at least tw

RE: [ZION] Liberal dems unveil...

At 08:17 PM 11/9/2002, you wrote: Steven Montgomery wrote: --- I'm just as concerned about one party domination as you are. One problem is that the Democratic Party has steered themselves way too far to the left. --- It appears to me that partisan affiliation is largely irrelevant, at least at t

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

Yet another week in Moose Jaw, but in early February this time. Maybe we'll allow a side-trip to Medicine Hat, the 40-40 city (where it's either plus 40 or minus 40 o C; nothing in between). Steven Montgomery wrote: > LDS, and the plane was named after his mother. What do I win now? > > -- > Stev

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

At 08:12 PM 11/9/2002, Marc wrote: Hmm, which reminds me of my other trivia question that I'm not sure I phrased properly. I was trying to bring out that the French fleet had been taken to French West Africa (Algiers?) for protection when France was invaded. The British scuttled the entire Frenc

Re: [ZION] Liberal dems unveil...

Not so far to the left that at least two well-known GAs have been active in the Utah party: Presidents Marlin K. Jensen and Faust. Pres. Jensen explained why, and what he felt he and like-minded LDS could do as a leavening contributor, in his famous interview with the Trib. Steven Montgomery wrote

RE: [ZION] Liberal dems unveil...

Steven Montgomery wrote: --- I'm just as concerned about one party domination as you are. One problem is that the Democratic Party has steered themselves way too far to the left. --- It appears to me that partisan affiliation is largely irrelevant, at least at the national level. Both major n

Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam

>Muhammad Karim, ex-Muslim and Christian. He only disapproves of the way >that modern Israel as a nation came into existence. He doesn't count. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

As per my other post, I may not have phrased this well, but note that I capitalized "Ally" as in "Allies" or "Allied forces" as opposed to "Axis" forces. It was the British, who scuttled the French fleet in N. Africa -- I'm pretty sure it was in Algiers harbour -- so they wouldn't be used by Vichy

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

>And I think you may be a bloodthirsty man. I will not say definitely, >however, because I am not supposed to judge mankind, Jesus is. You may >very well have good motives, but I think you should watch them closely. Hey, at least I know how to win a war and that is the purpose of fighting a w

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

Actually I was thinking of Norway. Poland was considered (wrongly, of course) a combatant and was, of course, invaded by Germany which started the war. Britain had not guaranteed their neutrality, but had said it would declare war if Germany invaded, which is what happened. Britain occupied Norway

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

It's not your crosshairs that worry me as long as you can't read a map "Kill-a-watts? Is that a light bulb or a target?" "I want gas, not leeders..." "How come all these up-and-down liney things on the map crowd so close together up here?" Paul Osborne wrote: > >(plus the usual Canuckistani

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

Very good! Another week in Moose Jaw for our boy genius :-) (You realize, of course, that Moose Jaw is our equivalent of a Fargo joke -- you know, first prize is one week, second prize is two weeks. Actually, it's also the site of an airbase where our military pilots are trained. My cousin's husba

Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam

No. I would say that person wasn't a true Muslim. Are not the Jews infidels? Paul O On Sat, 09 Nov 2002 19:42:45 -0700 "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Suppose I were to tell you one. What would be your reaction? Would > you change > your mind? > > Paul Osborne wrote: > > > >

Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam

Muhammad Karim, ex-Muslim and Christian. He only disapproves of the way that modern Israel as a nation came into existence. Stacy. At 05:42 PM 11/09/2002 -0600, you wrote: >I suppose you have a dim view of all Muslims, then? Or is it just the >Islamist factions? Millions upon millions of Mu

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

This from the guy who wants to elect President Hinckley and curse with him a politician's job? ;-) Paul Osborne wrote: > Jon wisely said: > >Those who want to fault the US for what we > >did can just stuff it. Those who in eternal ingratitude want to blame > the > >nasty old US for being so

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

And I think you may be a bloodthirsty man. I will not say definitely, however, because I am not supposed to judge mankind, Jesus is. You may very well have good motives, but I think you should watch them closely. Stacy. At 05:54 PM 11/09/2002 -0600, you wrote: Jon wisely said: >Those who wan

Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam

Possibly, but I doubt it. You see, I'm not happy with the way in which the modern Israel was created. It's my contention that the gathering of spiritual Israel began before the political figures got involved and the gathering of the Jews to their homeland wasn't supposed to be happening until

Re: [ZION] Governing the least

Gary, I'm glad you cope so well on this earth. I want it to be as easy as possible and I want the least amount of trials too but that doesn't seem to be my lot. If life as a god is not as happy as I expect it should be than maybe I don't want to be a god. I'm just here because Heavenly Father exp

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

LDS, and the plane was named after his mother. What do I win now? -- Steven Montgomery At 03:49 PM 11/9/2002, you wrote: Steven wins first prize! A one-week holiday in beautiful downtown Moose Jaw in the second week of January. Okay. Here's another question: what was the religious denomination o

Re: [ZION] Liberal dems unveil...

I'm just as concerned about one party domination as you are. One problem is that the Democratic Party has steered themselves way too far to the left. Meanwhile the Republican Party is full of RINO's (Republican in name only). What I meant to say previously was that there is no requirement that t

Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam

Suppose I were to tell you one. What would be your reaction? Would you change your mind? Paul Osborne wrote: > >I suppose you have a dim view of all Muslims, then? Or is it just the > >Islamist factions? > > Millions upon millions of Muslims will gear up to go into Armageddon and > their whole r

Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam

>I suppose you have a dim view of all Muslims, then? Or is it just the >Islamist factions? Millions upon millions of Muslims will gear up to go into Armageddon and their whole religion will support it. Babylon must fall. Tell me the name of just one Muslim that does not despise the Jews and wis

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

Jon wisely said: >Those who want to fault the US for what we >did can just stuff it. Those who in eternal ingratitude want to blame the >nasty old US for being so bad can stuff it as well. And let all the congregation say AMEN! Dropping the bombs on Japan was wise and the making of more nuclea

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

>(plus the usual Canuckistani comeback, which is that given what y'all are [not] >taught about geography in school, we have no need to fear, because we know you'd >have to find us first...) Hey Marc; would you mind stepping out of my cross hairs as you are blocking my vision. ;-) Paul O [EMAIL P

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

At 03:46 PM 11/9/2002, Marc wrote: Trivia question: what major Ally's naval assets were destroyed by another Ally, and why? This was a harder one, but I think I remember it was the Germans who scuttled Italy's ships to prevent them from falling into Allied hands. Am I right? -- Steven Mont

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

At 03:46 PM 11/9/2002, Marc wrote: Trivia question: who first broke neutrality in WWII? Great Britain, September 3, 1940, ostensibly to guarantee the territorial integrity of Poland. However after the war Poland was divvied up to the Soviets--so what the heck was WWII fought for? Interesting

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

At 03:46 PM 11/9/2002, Marc wrote: Trivia question: who was the first country to launch a raid on residential areas in an enemy country in WWII, and what was the city involved? Great Britain, May 11, 1940. They bombed the quiet peaceful town known as Westphalia which was miles from any front. T

Re: [ZION] Japan

I don't come down on either side here. I am a coward, and would not have wanted to be in Truman's place. I believe the bomb may have shortened the war, but I'm also tempted by the arguments of those who argue otherwise. But to be the first to use that cosmic technology against our fellow man It

Re: [ZION] Answer to life

Precise-a-mundo, ol' fish. Gary Smith wrote: > Ahh, that's true. But what is the question > > K'aya K'ama, > Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www > .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html > "No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free." - > Joha

[ZION] Lest We Forget

Monday is Remembrance Day here, a stat holiday here in God's country, a voluntary holiday only in the godless provinces further east. The Globe and Mail found a "thin brigade" of 13 centenarians who are WWI vets, and reprints their stories: <>

[ZION] Answer to life

Ahh, that's true. But what is the question K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html "No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe > > > > >It's kind of like saying

[ZION] Japan

We had gone through 5 years of war, with our allies having gone through more. Japan was enslaving the peoples of China and Korea, using the women for all kinds of unspeakable things. Japan tortured our American soldiers they captured. 20 million Russian allies died because of Hitler. Hitler had sla

Re: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

Je stehe correctidad ;-) Gary Smith wrote: > Marc, > EVERY ward or branch has a little old man or lady who speaks in tongues > every fast and testimony meeting! Usually they spew forth sermons about > fire and brimstone. Of course, everyone understands what they are saying > even before they spea

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

It's ironic, but these things go in fads. Beer, if it's made properly, is actually a good source of calcium, and the reason it probably has a high level of radiation in many brands is, as I think Olympia's and up here Kokanee's, slogan puts it, "it's the water." You're right about cooling water, wh

[ZION] ...and on Saturday evening

- continuing stray notes from General Conference - Saturday evening priesthood session. President Packer - Patriarchal blessings. Elder Ballard - Today's battle more dangerous than Lamanites vs Nephites. Paul described "a night of prime-time television." [i.e. - the horrible times Paul descr

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

I just thought of something else, in addition to my original response. I should actually give in on this. For 3 reasons: 1. I was wrong when I said AECL Med Prods (now known as Theratronics, and along with Nordion, part of MDS) was one of the few sources of radioactive caesium isotopes. I was in a

[ZION] Governing the least

And you think the next life will be any easier I just think about what God must have been feeling as he was dealing death to his children during the Great Flood. Enoch tells us that God wept like we cannot imagine. Truly, to be God means we aren't just blissfully happy all the time, but we hav

[ZION] scriptures are not secular?

Marc, EVERY ward or branch has a little old man or lady who speaks in tongues every fast and testimony meeting! Usually they spew forth sermons about fire and brimstone. Of course, everyone understands what they are saying even before they speak, since we all expect it So, I don't see your poi

[ZION] Japan (was Taliban in Pakistan)

Japan did seek peace early. However, their conditions also included keeping all the territory they had gained (China, Korea, Phillippines, several other islands). Truman, in deciding to use the A-Bomb, considered all angles. He was told that an invasion of Japan's mainland would end up in 1 millio

[ZION] Saturday Morning reflections

Have been trying to post this for over a month, but Topica kept locking me out of the Zion list. These are my notes from conference, and I wonder if I can get your thoughts. Perhaps you'll even be able to correct any errors in my transcriptions. And I'm cc-ing some of the smartest people I k

Re: [ZION] Liberal dems unveil...

Yeah, yeah, okay, so we're playing around. But my serious point is that it's going to be very difficult for Respublicans to blame anybody else if they screw up from here on in. Jon Spencer wrote: > Sorry, but there are too many books I've already read, seminary stuff, and > dust under my bed to f

Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam

Ennh, a little of both, I think. It wasn't so much on the Commonwealth's behalf that my knickers were a-twistin' but on behalf of your *Arab* allies. Forget about them? You had to get Saudi's cooperation *first* before *anything* could happen. And Egypt came on side very quickly. You also needed Tu

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

I *am* an industry expert, Jon. I spent 5 years working for the medical products division of Atomic Energy Canada Ltd., one of the few suppliers of radioactive caesium still left (and we even know how to spell it right!). Caesium contamination is only easy to take care of if the decon/detox is ini

[ZION] James Ossuary

Straining to find all the punny headlines they can before people lose interest, the Mope & Wail continues its excellent coverage, by "lifting the murky lid" on the "Jesus box" at the Royal Ontario Museum: <

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

If any level of radiation will kill us, then you need to move near a nuclear power plant and stay away from beer. it seems that there is 13 times more radiation in beer than there is in the cooling water coming out of the Nuke power plant I can see from my house. So you see, the word of wisdom wa

Re: [ZION] Liberal dems unveil...

Sorry, but there are too many books I've already read, seminary stuff, and dust under my bed to fit either bugbears OR guilt under my bed. Jon - Original Message - From: "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 12:24 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam

Marc, you just have to slow down and READ posts before you respond. I'll let you reread my post (that you included in your response), then read your response, and then apologize :-) Jon - Original Message - From: "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Satur

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

Sorry, Marc, but you are wrong. This information comes from several experts in this field who deal with the actual (expected) contaminants. Neither you nor I are experts, so from my perspective, you lose. Spreading hysteria must be a Canadian sport, which has filtered down to the anti-nuke folks

Re: [ZION] Governing the Least

Actually they have. And in some cases have adopted it more zealously than the U.S. Jon Spencer wrote: > Just shows to go that if the world were full of smart and humble people, > they would have long ago adopted our divinely inspired Constitution. > > Marc A. Schindler silently wrote: > > Here's

Re: [ZION] Governing the Least

Just shows to go that if the world were full of smart and humble people, they would have long ago adopted our divinely inspired Constitution. Marc A. Schindler silently wrote: Here's the sound of begging: Jim Cobabe wrote: > "John W. Redelfs

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

Steven wins first prize! A one-week holiday in beautiful downtown Moose Jaw in the second week of January. Okay. Here's another question: what was the religious denomination of the pilot, and after whom did he name the plane? (I'm thinking specifically of the Enola Gay here) Steven Montgomery wrot

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

Dresden was not an industrial city. You may be confusing it with Leipzig, which got off relatively light. What Dresden was was a centre of transportation for central Europe, a transfer point for many trains and highways. It was chockfull of refugees when the RAF bombed it. What little heavy industr

Re: [ZION] Liberal dems unveil...

That may be why Pres. Hinckley asked Pres. Jensen to give an interview to the Tribune to underscore the point -- too many Utahns didn't understand the point the first time around. Even afterwards, one Rep. rep. publicly criticized Pres. Jensen for what he said. The guy has more guts than I do -- I'

Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam

Let me answer this by explaining a cartoon that was in a recent New Yorker. A bunch of Crusaders are leaving a Muslim city (there's a minaret in the background) with loot on their horses, and the city in flames. They're up on a ridge, looking down into a valley filled with a grove of olive trees.

Re: [ZION] Liberal dems unveil...

Indeed. This is also what seems to have happened in Turkey with the recent election, incidentally. A party with Islamist roots appears to have a much more pragmatic platform (in any case, Turkey's constitution declares the secular nature of the country, and the military have traditionally reined in

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

You should be more concerned about wax buildup ;-) Stacy Smith wrote: > Yes, and for a while I was afraid to eat Hershey bars because I understood > the company was in the vacinity of Three Mile Island. > > Stacy. > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Park

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

Stacy Smith wrote: > Thanks for answering. I guess I'm worried for a couple of reasons. Even > though nuclear bombs are probably hard to maintain probably undetonated, > there's always a supply out there. Not only that, but many terrorists love > to come to us through Canada. This is mislead

Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam

There are Jewish fundamentalist groups who are planning to do exactly that, actually. Fortunately they're kept in check, but every now and then one of them gets loose and does something stupid, like the shooting in Hebron at the Tomb of the Patriarchs a few years ago. Paul Osborne wrote: > >If Je

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

We (aka the real world, the rest of the world, etc.) are not afraid that your troops' military training isn't up to snuff*, we just hope your CiC knows that it's "ready, aim, fire," not "ready, fire, aim." ;-) *As I'm tempted to suggest to Jonah Greenberg, perhaps we really *do* need a good invadi

[ZION] Mars and symbolism

By August 2003 the red planet will be brighter than Jupiter and the brightest object in the sky except Venus and the moon. Since Mars is the planet associated with warfare is this a portend of things to come? http://www.space.com/spacewatch/mars_preview_021108.html Mars to Get Closer than Ever

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

I noted on this list many years ago, that BH Liddell Hart wrote a book in the late 60's or early 70's, I think, called "A History of the Second World War" in which much of this was disclosed. The Japanese tried to get to the US by going through the Soviets, who, for their own imperialistic reasons

RE: [ZION] Fwd: Confidential Trustee Needed

Valerie Nielsen Williams: Hey, no fair--she's mine! I've gotten a couple from her. Hmpf, and here I thought she way MY friend ;-o Jim Cobabe: ... please keep us posted on how much cash you actually bank. ___ And if it wouldn't be too much trouble, could you please include the nam

Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam

My suggestion is to FIRST elect GBH and THEN get rid of Bush. Jon > Let's get rid of Bush and elect Hinckley. I should have written his name in. > > Stacy. > > At 01:31 AM 11/09/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > >But we have both! > > > >Jon > > > > > I'd rather have Hinckley than Bush. > > > > > > Sta

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

You know you have been hit because there is a great big explosion, and the guys with the Geiger counters say pops! That's how you know. What are you talking about with the Japanese??? Do you actually know what a dirty bomb is? It is a conventional explosive with radioactive material surrounding

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

At 11:34 AM 11/9/2002, Marc wrote: Incidentally, one little irony that I'm not sure has been brought up, although I'm sure Mark especially knows this, and probably many others here, is that Nagasaki wasn't the first choice for the second bomb. The original target was clouded over that day, so

RE: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

Yes, and for a while I was afraid to eat Hershey bars because I understood the company was in the vacinity of Three Mile Island. Stacy. At 07:08 PM 11/09/2002 +, you wrote: Jon Spencer wrote: --- Of course, with all the hysteria over nuclear power that the envirowackos have stirred up, the

Re: [ZION] Liberal dems unveil...

Who says there needs to be two major parties? I didn't read that in the 1st Presidency statement. The Democratic demise would pave the way for one of the third party movements, the Constitution party, Libertarian party, Independent American Party, etc. -- Steven Montgomery At 09:17 AM 11/9/200

Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam

To my understanding, Saudia Arabia is the next most Islamist state around next to Iraq now. They seem to be the most strict observers. Stacy. At 10:23 AM 11/09/2002 -0700, you wrote: I don't think so. The foreigners had to get their assets into place, too. It wasn't unilateral. In fact, it's i

RE: [ZION] Fwd: CONFIDENTIAL TRUSTEE NEEDED

Valerie Nielsen Williams wrote: --- Hey, no fair--she's mine! I've gotten a couple from her. Hmpf, and here I thought she way MY friend ;-o --- I indicated earlier that I'm already independently wealthy, so I have no need for a share of these people's promised millions. You're welcome to ha

Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam

By the way, I had quite a discussion in Gospel Doctrine last week on the Zionist movement. I saw the original Zionist movement in 1948 as quite improper and that the Jews had no business coming back to the Holy Land until the Messiah, Jesus, should come the second time. Stacy. At 11:06 AM 11/

RE: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

Jon Spencer wrote: --- Of course, with all the hysteria over nuclear power that the envirowackos have stirred up, the emotional damage would be much greater. --- Creating terror is the real objective of terrorism, isn't it? What does it matter that dirty bombs are ineffective at inflicting ca

Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam

You make some interesting points there. But I have another question which I think is very relevant. It seems wrong to me even in the face of oil interests to consider Saudi Arabia on our side. Why can't we stop treating them as allies, especially in light of their Islamist tendencies? Stacy.

Re: [ZION] Fwd: CONFIDENTIAL TRUSTEE NEEDED

Hey, no fair--she's mine! I've gotten a couple from her. Hmpf, and here I thought she way MY friend ;-o val On Sat, 09 Nov 2002 13:41:47 -0500 Jim Cobabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > If you don't care for Nigerian scams, maybe Zaire will be a happier > match. > > > > > > > > DEAR

Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam

I suppose you have a dim view of all Muslims, then? Or is it just the Islamist factions? Stacy. At 12:09 PM 11/09/2002 -0600, you wrote: >If Jewish and Christian fundies don't beat them to it by attacking the Temple >Mount. Well, anything is possible. But--you have to consider that the Jews

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

Thanks for answering. I guess I'm worried for a couple of reasons. Even though nuclear bombs are probably hard to maintain probably undetonated, there's always a supply out there. Not only that, but many terrorists love to come to us through Canada. They take up residence here like normal o

Re: [ZION] Fwd: CONFIDENTIAL TRUSTEE NEEDED

Found another interesting website, a link to which was on the Mounties' website: http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/index.htm The "419 Coalition" which is trying to stamp out the Nigerian scam and its offshoots. Jim Cobabe wrote: > If you don't care for Nigerian scams, maybe Zaire will be a hap

Re: [ZION] Fwd: CONFIDENTIAL TRUSTEE NEEDED

I've seen this one before, too, but it's relatively new. For Canadians who are interested in reporting instances of this (if it bothers you, or to assist them in stopping the spam), you can contact the RCMP at: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/scams/nigerian.htm The way they put it is, "Please forward Ni

[ZION] Fwd: CONFIDENTIAL TRUSTEE NEEDED

If you don't care for Nigerian scams, maybe Zaire will be a happier match. DEAR FRIEND, THIS MAY COME TO YOU AS SUPRISE DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE NOT MET. I AM MRS MARIAM SESE-SEKO WIDOW OF LATE PRESIDENT MOBUTU SESE-SEKO OF ZAIRE? NOW KNOWN AS DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF CONGO (DRC). I AM

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

There's a difference, Stacy, between a true thermonuclear bomb and a so-called dirty bomb. A dirty bomb uses conventional explosives to spread radioactive material around. Depending on the circumstances, this can be quite deadly, and is hard to clean up after, and its effects can be pernicious, but

Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam

>As crazy as it sounds, I'd rather have Christian fundis in the government >than Islamists any time. > >Stacy. Me too! Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.

Re: [ZION] War against all of Islam

>If Jewish and Christian fundies don't beat them to it by attacking the Temple >Mount. Well, anything is possible. But--you have to consider that the Jews had their chance and still do--but they don't overstep their bounds by attacking that disgusting dome. The Muslims are a force that can't be t

Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam

Stacy, here's another link I found. While Mexico has been traditionally neutral and non-interventionist (which, in the Wall Street Journal's eyes makes it "leftist"), they have, as previously stated, agreed, along with the rest of the Security Council on this last week's resolution on Iraq. This li

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

>The primary objective is to kill people and >break things, with more success than the enemy. Morality aside, this is >the reality of warfare. Amen. Kill the enemy!! That is what I learned when I served in the US Army for a brief period. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

>Perhaps you're right, but I still fail to see how the United States >maintained the moral high ground by bombing civilians. I think a >"demonstration" about 5 miles offshore might have accomplished the same >purpose. Stephen was right, Steven. Your demonstration idea is too risky. We had to d

RE: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

-Steven- > Perhaps you're right, but I still fail to see how the United > States maintained the moral high ground by bombing civilians. Like Jim, I don't know what constitutes "moral high ground" in a war. Note that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both industrial cities, and thus legitimate targets,

Re: [ZION] War Against All of Islam

>Let's get rid of Bush and elect Hinckley. I should have written his name in. I've thought of that before but it is a wasted vote. I would rather spend my vote on someone who can win rather than allow the worst candidate to win. Bush was the only real choice in the last election. To vote for one

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