Stephen,
I guess in order to clear up the semantics issue, we would need to turn
to the scriptures and words of the prophets and determine how / when
they use the term "unconditional love". I had always thought that the
term meant we were to love and forgive our fellowmen, no matter what
they hav
Stephen,
Great post! According to the prophets, then it appears that there are
actually two types of love:
1. Divine love
2. Unconditional love
They are not one and the same.
However, it is true that our Heavenly Father has and exercises both,
and that we are commanded to do likewise. Would
>>> Gary favored us with:
>Are the Republican House and Senate
>not right now discussing issues to stop
>?
They may be talking about it, but unless something is actually done,
and laws are passed and enforced, then it doesn't make the world any
safer for the innocents.
Geoff
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>>> Jim mentioned:
> There also seem to be a number of CES employees
> who aptly fit the description of "wolves among the
> flock."
>>> while Jon added:
> And we have found some in our stake. When they
> are discovered, they are gone. Now!
While I can see how perhaps a few BYU professors have
>>> Jon favored us with the following:
>On this list, several members seemed to claim
>that you could not get to the CK if you didn't
>do you work here on earth for yourself. I
>would therefore assume that people like
>Jefferson et al and Mother Teresa could not make
>it to the CK. I myself do
>>> Marc intelligently replied:
>Be careful when you use Latinate terms: they are often
>more restrictive than LDS doctrines. [...]
>But that raises the philosophical dilemma of free will. We LDS
>do *not* believe God is omnipotent in the sense the Romans
>used this term -- we believe he's subj
Gepff!?
I have no idea who that is - apparently he speaks Romanian too.
Strange...
Geoff
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/18/02 02:16PM >>>
"Nici o problema" - as the Romanians are fond of saying.
Gepff
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/18/02 01:53PM >>>
Yeah, and I think I made it even worse when I was tr
>>> After intense thought, Marc favored us with:
>This is also true, but it's a logical extension of the first, not
>something that's said explicitly to be inspired. I know it's a nit,
>but I think the Lord uses historical events, he doesn't "cause"
>them, else we wouldn't have free will*. His p
"Nici o problema" - as the Romanians are fond of saying.
Gepff
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/18/02 01:53PM >>>
Yeah, and I think I made it even worse when I was trying to figure out
how I got
the two dates mixed up, and the only thing I was thinking of that could
have made
a neural short like that w
>>> Paul graced us with
>Are they declared Levites or Jews? What is the >patriarch suppose to do
when a Jew joins the
>church and says, "I'm a Levite too".
One is either a Jew or a Levite, but not both. While a Levite may be
classed as a "Jew" per se by the world at large, he is still a Levite,
>>> Chet favored us with the following:
>And every Protestant church I've dealt with has the
>doctrine that True Christians will be neutered angels
>in Heaven, with no more feeling for their spouse than
>one would have for a faithful brother or sister.
If that is what they are expecting, and d
the language from which relied on the Arabic
alphabet to
one that used the Roman alphabet, with a whole chunk of diacritical
marks. His
adopted name means "Father of the Turk[ish Nation]" The Turkish
military steps in
if the constitution is violated.
Jon Spencer wrote:
> Is that the
I guess it depends on whether or not you agree with his policies... :)
Geoff
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/03/02 01:27PM >>>
Is that the Turkish version of attaboy?
Jon
Geoff FOWLER wrote:
Although, thanks to Ataturk, it should be easier for the Church in
Turkey than in most oth
Which book was that? I had heard that his other books on OT women were a
bit racy... but I have not read them myself. Have they been banned too?
BTW, I have read most of the Ender's Game series (although I have to
admit that the newest editions are a little too violent and graphic for
me).
Geof
A Mormon Armenian in Turkey? I wonder if most of the members there are
either ex-Pats or other Christian peoples, as opposed to Turks.
Although, thanks to Ataturk, it should be easier for the Church in
Turkey than in most other Islamic nations.
Geoff
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/29/02 10:04PM >>>
>>> Till favored us with:
>Should I have done more? Is there more we can do for
>complete strangers.
Till,
I think you did a terrific job. Unfortunately, in our society, genuine
offers of help can be and often are misconstrued.
I say pray to the Father and follow the promptings of the Spirit
I fully concur with Marc on this one; especially these statements:
A. As far as the Church is concerned, if the offender has paid their
debt to society and undergone whatever action the Church authorities
determine, then he is forgiven. Please don't misconstrue the word
"forgiven" in this context
>>> Stacy, in all seriousness, asked:
>Suppose I never learn to like them? Can I still get into the
>celestial kingdom without liking them?
You'll like them. It's all a matter of faith - first you EAT, and then
you'll LIKE. :)
I didn't think liking (or eating) vegetables was a requirement for t
>>> After intense pondering Stacy favored us with:
>Frighten their enemies? If anything, it seems to me this would
>embolden their enemies. After all, if one wants to shout "Here
>I am," it would seem to me the logical thing would be to show
>themselves. If, on the other hand, one wants one's i
>>> Stacy wrote:
>I have endeavored to eat raw vegetables but find they really don't
>agree with me. What am I supposed to do if my family absolutely
>insists I eat them? It is questions of this nature that trouble me.
My wife is vegetarian (although she does eat fish - I think you are
still "t
>>> Stacy favored us with:
>You know what never made sense to me? Why would the Lamanites
>mark themselves? I'm sure the Taliban never marked themselves up
>to be identified.
The Lamanites were ultimately marked anyway, by God (see 2 Nephi
5:20-21). Any additional marks they put upon themselve
>>> Gary favored us all with: >>>
>There clearly is a symbolic level to the marks. But often there
>are both physical and spiritual parts of a symbol. Babylon, for
>example, is an actual city in antiquity. It also symbolically
>represents the telestial world, built on greed and power.
>Although
>>> Scott favored us with the following: >>>
>I tend to use (not abuse) the "Ox in the mire" philosophy. For
>instance, there was a time a few months back where I had to
>run to the store for something we really needed on a Sunday.
>I felt really bad about it, and resolved more strongly to antic
>>> John Redelfs favored us with: >>>
>You bet I do. That's called corporate welfare, and is just as
disgusting
>as any other kind, even more so because the big weenies already sleep
in
>nice beds and beautiful homes. Brigham Young had some interesting
things
>to say about the distribution of
>>> Paul wrote: >>>
>I've snuck out a few times over the years and it makes me feel
guilty.
>But, when I've gone shopping after midnight (Monday morning) my
>conscience is as clear as can be. What do you think of that? I love
those
>loopholes. ;-)
I don't consider them loopholes at all. When I sta
My wife and I are living in Layton now, and we may be able to make a
temple excursion that evening. She is a couple of months pregnant now,
and depending on how she feels, we may be up to it.
My preference would be the Bountiful temple, but any others in the area
would work just as well.
Geoff
Obviously, Woodrow Wilson was what was meant here, and I believe he was
instrumental in pushing the creation of both Yugoslavia and
Czechoslovakia, which were created out of the then-defunct
Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman empires.
Geoff
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/12/02 09:23AM >>>
He was probably t
"I humbly crave your indulgence??"
Geoff
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/08/02 12:14PM >>>
Another of these entertaining invitations from Lagos...
GREENFIELDS AGRO-ALLIED COMPANY.
10 BROAD STREET,
LAGOS-NIGERIA.
TEL: 2348023263622
Your Attention:
First, I must solicit your strictest understan
Not for her terrible experience and illness, but for the mission call.
:)
I am sure that she'll do a wonderful job and bless the Brazilian
people.
Geoff
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/07/02 12:45PM >>>
Congratulations to her and your family.
Geoff
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/07/02 05:11AM >>>
My da
Congratulations to her and your family.
Geoff
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/07/02 05:11AM >>>
My daughter got her mission call yesterday, to Sao Paulo. She was
basking
in the irony. She had a terrible experience in Brasil this summer, and
came back dreadfully ill and exhausted.
Till
/
vailable from
your
national Bible society or Christian bookstore.
Geoff FOWLER wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone know of an accurate study Bible in the original Hebrew
and
> Greek? I would like to learn more about those biblical languages and
I
> figure that this is the way to do
BTW - I found out the name of the Bible with 6 different languages /
translations: Origen's Hexapla. Here is an online definition of what it
contained:
The Hexapla was an important work of biblical criticism, the magnum
opus of Origen (185-254). In his discussions with the Jews, Origen
became awa
>>> Noel wrote:
>I use the Interlinear Bible by Jay P. Green with the The Strongest
Strongs
>Concordance. The Interlinear Bible by Green comes in two flavors;
there is
>a 4 volume set that doesn't have the Strong numbers in it and there is
a one
>volume set that does. I had both and ended up selli
>>> Gary appropriately wrote:
>It was actually chapter 7 of Mormon.
Thank you - I appreciate the correction. :)
>Captain Moroni DID clear the wilderness areas of Lamanites.
I agree that Captain Moroni did clear the wilderness. However, he did so under the
pretext of defending his people. I gu
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/29/02 07:30PM >>>
*my son served a mission in Russia and had a "summer missionary" from
Moscow who knew a member of the Alpha unit who was in training in
Moscow. He said they select orphans and bring them up, educate them
and
they basically dedicate their whole lives to bei
Hello,
Does anyone know of an accurate study Bible in the original Hebrew and
Greek? I would like to learn more about those biblical languages and I
figure that this is the way to do it. However, I am unsure of which
Bible to purchase. There are different interlinear ones, but what I am
looking f
Hello fellow Zionites,
I was reading from the book of Mormon, chapters 5-7, when I noticed the
following verse in chapter 6:
4. Know ye that ye must lay down your weapons of war, and delight no
more in the shedding of blood, and take them not again, save it be that
God shall command you.
Now,
surrounding areas. The ransom note, however, has thrown me. I don't
know what to make of it - whether it is legitimate or whether it is a
decoy.
Geoff
Geoff Fowler
Network Server Engineer
Weber State University
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
801-626-6088
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/23/02 04:18PM &
Hi fellow Zionites,
I have not been receiving any Topica messages from any of John
Redelf's lists in my email. While I can go online and view them
just fine, and I can also post to them via email, none of the
posts are being mailed to me as I had specified in my settings on
Topica. Anyone els
Hi all,
I have not received any Zion-L messages since last Friday, so I
thought I would send a simultaneous test message and question for
the group: What was your favorite conference address?
Personally, I had several. I listened again to the Saturday
afternoon session and was impressed by al
>For instance, has any English publication given the Taliban side
>of the story? I'll bet the answer is no.
One Internet site to try is http://www.kavkaz.org/eng . It reports
Caucasus and Afghanistan news items that definitely do not make it
into the US / North American press. Note the arti
John Redelfs wrote:
>All I have seen from Bush, the media, and the man in the street
>is a lot of breathless rhetoric. And almost everyone is
>swallowing whatever is fed to them by Bush and the media. Where
>were we when Heavenly Father was passing out the critical
>faculty?
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