Paul Osborne wrote:
I was referring to Stake President and up. They have money and prestige.
There are plenty of talented yet poor High Priests who never get the call because they don't have money. Money is a prerequisite to those callings.
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Grampa Bill responds:
Grampa Bill responds:
I know of one SP who was a mechanic until his business went bust
just before his call, He then sold house trailers for a while but was
terminated because of too few sales. After a period of unemployment he
want to work as a machinist for the county.
I know of another who
Yes, I know that Nibley says it is a free lunch, but he also says we
still must work. What I was meaning, is that there are laws of work
governing worldly wealth. The person who works hard and smart tends to
live a more comfortable life than someone who is sloth or not so wise in
their dealings
Paul Osborne wrote:
And, yes, John gave me some good pointers. I've seen how John operates
too and have watched him type letters to the list. I've seen his
computer, chair, book shelves, and table. I can visualize him right now
in my mind.
Having trouble sleeping, are we?
ducking with
At 21:43 10/23/2002 -0500, Gary wrote:
The Brethren had comfortable lives because they earned a comfortable
life.
Not so sure I agree, Gary. Reference Approaching Zion Chapters 4 and
5. Not so sure earned is the correct choice of terms here.
Till
At 21:46 10/23/2002 -0500, St Paul wrote:
I will admit that I used
to annoyed about it in the past.
Till detects that it is still unresolved
But it is the Lord's church and he can
do whatever he wants, so I have come to accept it.
You're on the right track, though
but I'm sure he had
I was referring to Stake President and up. They have money and prestige.
There are plenty of talented yet poor High Priests who never get the call
because they don't have money. Money is a prerequisite to those callings.
I hope that it doesn't sound like I am faulting the Lord. I'm simply
pointing
Paul Osborne (replying to someone else):
Right. And your ALSO points out that the money is required
in order to get those high callings of Stake President and up.
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I can assure you that money is not a requirement in order to
be called as a stake president.
I can further
-Paul-
The Lord will not call a poor man to be an apostle. Poor people
are just not good enough for the job. You have to have money.
If I remember correctly, Elder Packer spent his professional life in the
CES, a job practically guaranteed to keep you dressed in rags.
Stephen
I can assure you that money is not a requirement in order to
be called as a stake president.
I followed it for years in the Church News and have clearly seen that the
money guys get the callings. I can't deny those facts. The guys who get
called in third world countries are the merchants and
My former stake president was a public school teacher and later an
administrator and my current stake president is in a similar income
bracket. Both of them are most likely below the 50th percentile with
regard to income within the stake boundaries.
How can you justify statements like that,
Will we ever see a janitor, a manual laborer, a machinist, a farmer, a rancher, as an
apostle?
To test this out - what are the current or former occupations of the apostles?
Its interesting that a carpenter ended up saving mankind.
Vic
--- Paul Osborne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don't
Paul Osborne:
I can assure you that money is not a requirement in order to
be called as a stake president.
I followed it for years in the Church News and have clearly seen
that the money guys get the callings. I can't deny those facts.
... It's one of those unwritten rules. ;-)
To test this out - what are the current or former occupations of the apostles?
Here are some of the former occupations of all the current apostles. Neither
President Hinckley nor President Packer could have become wealthy from their
employment, so Paul's theory fails in those cases
Mark Gregson wrote:
To test this out - what are the current or former occupations of the apostles?
Here are some of the former occupations of all the current apostles. Neither
President Hinckley nor President Packer could have become wealthy from their
employment, so Paul's theory fails
Will we ever see a janitor, a manual laborer, a machinist, a farmer, a
rancher, as an apostle?
A janitor, a manual laborer, and a machinist are not qualified to become
apostles but a rich rancher and a rich farmer could be considered.
Paul O
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:09:51 -0500 Paul Osborne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Did I say that a man had to be wealthy to become a GA? The unwritten
rule
is that he has to have money and resources. He almost always has a
prestigious job and a fine education. That is what the Lord is
looking
I would say that most apostles will have money. There are exceptions,
though fewer and fewer as the Church grows. Even today, many of our
apostles are not wealthy, but are comfortable. President Monson has
almost always worked in the Church, so basically lives on a stipend given
him, plus revenues
Paul,
What is your definition of money? Is it $40,000? $50,000? $100,000?
$1,000,000?
Most school administrators I know make about $50K. So if that is your
definition of money, then you are right, most stake presidents AND High
Priests have money. By the time they get to that age, they have
You make it sound like these jobs were handed to them on a silver
platter. Not so. They all started at the bottom, with no silver spoon in
the mouth. Any money the GAs have, they earned it. Any education they
received was from hard work.
Do you think any of them had been wishing and hoping to
Paul Osborne:
... to become a GA? The unwritten rule is that he has to
have money and resources. He almost always has a
prestigious job and a fine education. That is what the
Lord is looking for. If you don't have those benefits you
can't be called to be a GA, let alone a SP.
Gary Smith wrote:
You make it sound like these jobs were handed to them on a silver
platter. Not so. They all started at the bottom, with no silver spoon in
the mouth. Any money the GAs have, they earned it. Any education they
received was from hard work.
Do you think any of them had been
At 08:47 AM, Wednesday, 10/23/02, Paul Osborne wrote:
I was referring to Stake President and up. They have money and prestige.
There are plenty of talented yet poor High Priests who never get the call
because they don't have money. Money is a prerequisite to those callings.
I hope that it doesn't
What is your definition of money? Is it $40,000? $50,000? $100,000?
$1,000,000?
My definition of money is when you have it in the bank and you don't owe
anyone anything except perhaps the mortgage.
Most school administrators I know make about $50K. So if that is your
definition of money,
At 12:03 PM, Wednesday, 10/23/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Will we ever see a janitor, a manual laborer, a machinist, a farmer, a
rancher, as an apostle? To test this out - what are the current or former
occupations of the apostles? Its interesting that a carpenter ended up
saving mankind.
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I agree with everything you are saying Gary but I'm not thinking that all
the GA's were born with silver spoons. I know they worked hard and got
educated and have fine jobs that pay quite well. That is the nature of
the man who gets the call. I am merely pointing out how the Lord does
business and
At 09:43 PM, Wednesday, 10/23/02, Gary Smith wrote:
There is nothing prestigious to these callings. There is some
recognition, but in all reality, the pay isn't that great. Most would
prefer to make it to heaven without the experience of being an apostle or
stake president, but the humble ones
I think that Paul is being deliberately provocative in order to stir up
a
discussion. I coached him while he was here. grin
It works pretty good, doesn't it Paul?
Yep. Your s right John. I like to be provocative and stir things up.
It's fun, but I would feel bad if I hurt someones
On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:54:03 -0600 Marc A. Schindler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Okay, this is all very interesting and very useful (and I mean that
sincerely),
so let me ask another question: what about those of us who are
unlikely, for one
reason or another (assuming, of course, that we're
I think I see your point, even past the tongue in your cheek, and hadn't thought
about that. The Lord needs a pool to draw from, and the HP are that pool, so
whether any given HP is or is not eventually called to what I keep calling a
posiiton of line authority (to use a secular term) is
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