Re: [ZION] Whom God hateth

2003-11-09 Thread Stacy Smith
Maybe it got lost in the translation. Stacy. At 03:15 AM 11/05/2003 +, you wrote: -JWR- > I went looking for some scriptural evidence that God ever hates > any of his children, and my cursory survey did not turn up > anything. Am I missing something? Surely God hates wickedness, > but does

[ZION] Whom God hateth

2003-11-05 Thread Gerald Smith
I would have to ask: Is this "unconditional hate"? ;-) Actually, that is a good point to ask. Stephen is reading these verses literally, but I happen to know Stephen doesn't read all the scriptures literally (from previous discussions). Things to consider when reading these verses in light of

RE: [ZION] Whom God hateth

2003-11-05 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Stephen- > However, as I pointed out, the very wording of the scriptural > verses I cited shows that God hates the person or people being > named< [Note that I believe you were replying to an earlier, erroneously-sent version of my email. Possibly I expressed myself somewhat more clearly in th

RE: [ZION] Whom God hateth

2003-11-05 Thread Ron Scott
> -Original Message- > From: Stephen Beecroft [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 11:55 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ZION] Whom God hateth > > > -Stephen- > > Still, God has seen fit to represent his feeling as hatred

RE: [ZION] Whom God hateth

2003-11-05 Thread Stephen Beecroft
(Sorry about sending off that last one early) -Stephen- > Still, God has seen fit to represent his feeling as hatred, so > I don't think we have much business telling him he's wrong. -Ron- > After reading the scriptures you cited that God's hatred is of > the "deeds" a man commits. You may gloss

RE: [ZION] Whom God hateth

2003-11-05 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Stephen- > Still, God has seen fit to represent his feeling as hatred, so > I don't think we have much business telling him he's wrong. -Ron- > After reading the scriptures you cited that God's hatred is of > the "deeds" a man commits. You may gloss the scriptures however you choose, of course,

RE: [ZION] Whom God hateth

2003-11-05 Thread Ron Scott
> -Original Message- > From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:51 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [ZION] Whom God hateth > > > Stephen Beecroft wrote: > >Still, God has seen fit to represent his

RE: [ZION] Whom God hateth

2003-11-05 Thread Ron Scott
> -Original Message- > From: Stephen Beecroft [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:15 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [ZION] Whom God hateth > >Still, God has seen fit to represent his > feeling as hatred, so I don't think

Re: [ZION] Whom God hateth

2003-11-04 Thread John W. Redelfs
Stephen Beecroft wrote: Still, God has seen fit to represent his feeling as hatred, so I don't think we have much business telling him he's wrong. In any case, I don't find God's hatred of the wicked to be a particularly ennobling concept, so I don't spend much time dwelling on it. Well, I will

[ZION] Whom God hateth

2003-11-04 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-JWR- > I went looking for some scriptural evidence that God ever hates > any of his children, and my cursory survey did not turn up > anything. Am I missing something? Surely God hates wickedness, > but does he hate the wicked? He hates sin, but does he hate > sinners? Perhaps you could point